2023 Free Agency/UFA Targets

[Detroit Knights]

I get the two mixed up. I meant Keller.

I posted on the trade thread on the main boards to see what the general consensus could be on him. I'm curious too.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Honestly, it seems like Keller is the only attraction they got, so I am not sure they want to lose him and lose whatever seats they have being used in the stands. Either way, we have the assets to get him from Arizona...I mean they let Chychrun go for far less than advertised.

That’s a team that wants to be above the cap floor but not actually pay to the floor. Wasn’t their actual salary vs cap something like 12 million below the floor this season?

Keller is a Nylander/Fiala level winger. Next to Larkin I think he’s easily an 80 point player. And it would help push players down the depth chart.

Maybe DET and BOS 1sts in 2024?

Not really sure how, but ok.

One played for Arizona. The other still plays for Arizona? Both are small scoring wingers?

 

[lilidk]

Next season I'm hoping Detroit improves enough to be in the postseason so I hope neither gets traded.

Perron is a guy I'd like in this organization after he retires, so I don't know about trading him unless the season goes horribly wrong.

Kubalik, if he gets traded then at least a 2nd + for him. I'd prefer to keep him though.

Maybe Kubalik++ for something that helps us in the playoffs.

 

[norrisnick]

That’s a team that wants to be above the cap floor but not actually pay to the floor. Wasn’t their actual salary vs cap something like 12 million below the floor this season?

Keller is a Nylander/Fiala level winger. Next to Larkin I think he’s easily an 80 point player. And it would help push players down the depth chart.

Maybe DET and BOS 1sts in 2024?



One played for Arizona. The other still plays for Arizona? Both are small scoring wingers?

Minimum. Probably a kid or something too. Something cost controlled.

Both are small wingers. Only one scores.

Maybe Kubalik++ for something that helps us in the playoffs.

Maybe a decent scoring winger? Like... um... Kubalik? That kind of player?

 

[Detroit Knights]

That’s a team that wants to be above the cap floor but not actually pay to the floor. Wasn’t their actual salary vs cap something like 12 million below the floor this season?

Keller is a Nylander/Fiala level winger. Next to Larkin I think he’s easily an 80 point player. And it would help push players down the depth chart.

Maybe DET and BOS 1sts in 2024?

For a fiala type player, that just seems like too much. I kind of want to keep Boston's first because with all of their expiring contracts, I feel like that pick is going to be sub 20 OA, but I don't know how next year's draft looks or anything. If it is pretty low standard, then nevermind.

But I think we should try to get rid of a few players in the process that make no sense to be here with our current prospects pushing for spots and actual roster players.

Zadina + BOS 1st + another roster player? Fiala-type is good and all, but is Fiala worthy of 2 1st rounders?

 

[norrisnick]

For a fiala type player, that just seems like too much. I kind of want to keep Boston's first because with all of their expiring contracts, I feel like that pick is going to be sub 20 OA, but I don't know how next year's draft looks or anything. If it is pretty low standard, then nevermind.

But I think we should try to get rid of a few players in the process that make no sense to be here with our current prospects pushing for spots and actual roster players.

Zadina + BOS 1st + another roster player? Fiala-type is good and all, but is Fiala worthy of 2 1st rounders?

Yes.

 

[lilidk]

Minimum. Probably a kid or something too. Something cost controlled.

Both are small wingers. Only one scores.


Maybe a decent scoring winger? Like... um... Kubalik? That kind of player?

How about Werenski kind of player, I know should be in involved first round player. I am talking about impact player not replaceable third line player

 

[norrisnick]

How about Werenski kind of player, I know should be in involved first round player. I am talking about impact player not replaceable third line player

The "++" is doing some seriously heavy lifting in your post then. To the point of not even mentioning Kubalik would make more sense.

 

[lilidk]

The "++" is doing some seriously heavy lifting in your post then. To the point of not even mentioning Kubalik would make more sense.

Zadina and draft pick

You think Kubalik has lots of value?

 

[Ricelund]

 

[norrisnick]

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More than it would be worth giving up.

Realistically Vancouver should be where we are with regards to windows/timelines. They'd ask for Seider+. That's sideways at best.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

For a fiala type player, that just seems like too much. I kind of want to keep Boston's first because with all of their expiring contracts, I feel like that pick is going to be sub 20 OA, but I don't know how next year's draft looks or anything. If it is pretty low standard, then nevermind.

But I think we should try to get rid of a few players in the process that make no sense to be here with our current prospects pushing for spots and actual roster players.

Zadina + BOS 1st + another roster player? Fiala-type is good and all, but is Fiala worthy of 2 1st rounders?

Fiala has been north of a 70 point pace for the last 3 or 4 seasons. Over a point per game the last 2. He was traded for a 1st and Brock Faber who has 1st round talent. Fiala is probably the most purely talented winger the kings have played since Palffy.

Keller is one of the top scoring right wingers in the league right now. And that’s with Schmaltz as his center? He’s also fairly young and entering his prime. I don’t know much about next year’s draft other than Cole Eiserman will be a beast but I do know it’s not nearly as deep as this year.

Put Keller on this team NOW and you’ve got a major improvement. Detroit’s 1st is closer to 20 instead of 10.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Fiala has been north of a 70 point pace for the last 3 or 4 seasons. Over a point per game the last 2. He was traded for a 1st and Brock Faber who has 1st round talent. Fiala is probably the most purely talented winger the kings have played since Palffy.

Keller is one of the top scoring right wingers in the league right now. And that’s with Schmaltz as his center? He’s also fairly young and entering his prime. I don’t know much about next year’s draft other than Coke Eiserman will be a beast but I do know it’s not nearly as deep as this year.

Put Keller on this team NOW and you’ve got a major improvement. Detroit’s 1st is closer to 20 instead of 10.

Okay then I understand. Must not be familiar with Fiala's game. Really wasn't expecting all that.

 

[Frk It]

Outside of multiple MASSIVE trades (Top 6 C, Top 6 W and a Top 4D), I just don't see how there will be much improvement. A couple middling UFA signings like last summer just won't get it done IMO. But....trades are definitely a possibility.

Continuing to add draft picks to this team that weren't on the team for 90% of this season isn't going to make it any better? (Edvinsson, Kasper, Mazur, etc?)

They made significant adds last offseason and it bought them 6 points and 2 spots better in the standings. Short of adding a legit top line center, winger and a first and second pairing defender Detroit still is on the outside looking in next season.

We were in the playoff race way later in the season and had like a 50 goal better goal differential, but yeah sure keep saying this.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Continuing to add draft picks to this team that weren't on the team for 90% of this season isn't going to make it any better? (Edvinsson, Kasper, Mazur, etc?)

You want to count on some 20-21 year old kids to improve us next season?? They're good prospects, but not going to push us into the playoff picture next season.

 

[norrisnick]

You want to count on some 20-21 year old kids to improve us next season?? They're good prospects, but not going to push us into the playoff picture next season.

And you know 20-21yo players have never been able to do anything.

 

[GoBoltz56]

And you know 20-21yo players have never been able to do anything.

Did Raymond and Seider will us into the playoffs last year or this year?

 

[norrisnick]

Did Raymond and Seider will us into the playoffs last year or this year?

Are we getting rid of Mo and Raymond rather than have them around to help Ed and Kasper?

We are adding kids, not replacing our core with them.

Mo and Ray x2 significantly improves this team.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

More than it would be worth giving up.

Realistically Vancouver should be where we are with regards to windows/timelines. They'd ask for Seider+. That's sideways at best.

Their own first, their own second, our first and something.

Their first and second are worth more than Hronek in a trade, right?

 

[norrisnick]

Their own first, their own second, our first and something.

Their first and second are worth more than Hronek in a trade, right?

Would you trade a 24yo 100pt two-way center for a pair of 10ish OA picks and a high 2nd?

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

If Pettersson takes a short-term RFA deal and signals he wants to go to UFA, Yzerman will chase him hard at the deadline and in free agency. He is exactly what the team needs. IMO Pettersson is easily worth two firsts and any roster player not named Seider.

Worst case scenario is Vancouver signs him to a max term deal next season. With the way the team is going I think he'll request a trade or take a one year bridge deal and bolt to UFA. Vancouver is going nowhere fast, the Canadian dollar is weak, and their taxes are significantly higher.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

Would you trade a 24yo 100pt two-way center for a pair of 10ish OA picks and a high 2nd?

I was laughing because if you offered Hronek and a 1st, you’d be laughed out of the building faster than you could say anything. Whereas now that they’re nameless picks, people would have so much compunction about trading them.

Of course I wouldn’t.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

They made significant adds last offseason and it bought them 6 points and 2 spots better in the standings. Short of adding a legit top line center, winger and a first and second pairing defender Detroit still is on the outside looking in next season.

 

[Shaman464]

Continuing to add draft picks to this team that weren't on the team for 90% of this season isn't going to make it any better? (Edvinsson, Kasper, Mazur, etc?)


We were in the playoff race way later in the season and had like a 50 goal better goal differential, but yeah sure keep saying this.

The extreme losses have come under control. But a 2 goal loss or a 4 goal loss still sits the same in the standings. And being in the playoff race in an early February is as meaningless as being in it in November. The fact of the matter is at the TDL the team was in the same position last year as this year. Also a couple years ago the commentators talked incessantly about all the one goal losses. Still didn’t change the fact at the end of the season they were on the outside looking in.

That isn’t to say there aren’t positives from the season but this team isn’t a few tweaks away from being a contender, this team is still fundamentally flawed and still needs to continue to build its foundations.

 

[Reddwit]

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