2023 draft hypothetical - What would trade for Michkov.

[koteka]

Blue Jackets fan coming in peace.

Let’s say the Blue Jackets have the 4th pick in the 2023 draft. Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson are taken 1, 2, and 3. The 4th pick is sitting there and the obvious BPA is Michkov. The Jackets already have a lot of money invested in wings with Gaudreau and Laine and have a couple of young wings that look promising (Marchenko, Chinakhov). The Jackets really need a center. The Devils have centers and could use an elite wing. There is a clear top 4 and the gap between the value of the 4th pick and the 5th pick this year looks huge.

What would you be willing to offer for the 4th pick and the chance to draft Michkov? Let’s take the Hughes brothers and Nemec off the table. Michkov won’t come over for a couple of seasons, but then when he does come over he will be cost controlled right when the Devils should be ready to make deep playoff runs. Would you consider Mercer, Mukhamadullin, + for Michkov? Would Hischier be on the table?

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[Devils731]

I’m a vacuum I’d deal Mercer and Mukh with some small kicker in a heartbeat.

The problem is timelines. Michkov can’t come play for 2 years and I think the Devils are looking to compete within that timeline. So I don’t think the Devils would want to trade 1, possibly 2 contributors, over the next 2 years for no help.

Hischier would be a no go.

 

[My3Sons]

It’s unlikely any team woukd trade their 24 year old team captain who is roughly a point per Game matchup Center on a solid long term deal if that team wants to try to be competitive for anything short of a near McDavid level prospect. If you want to talk about abstract value I’m still not sure a Mitchkov is worth that much.

The problem with this sort of trade is the acquiring team wants to pile up lesser assets and the team trading out the pick wants one or two overpayment pieces. Realistically Columbus has no interest in two first round picks from NJ and a prospect not named Hughes or Nemec which would probably be what would potentially something along the lines of a hypothetical value.

Recall NJ sort of went through this last season and allegedly the second overall pick was on the table for Tkachuk from Calgary if he signed an extension with NJ so something like that is what you’d compare it to. Of course that was a guy coming up on the end of team control who was not going to sign an extension.

The Anderson from Montreal nonsense would be the sort of offers you’d typically see. Just pick your guy and move on.

 

[Setec Astronomy]

If we’re talking about something realistic, I’d trade Bratt for Michkov if Bratt is playing hardball again on an extension.

 

[Blackjack]

Blue Jackets fan coming in peace.

Let’s say the Blue Jackets have the 4th pick in the 2023 draft. Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson are taken 1, 2, and 3. The 4th pick is sitting there and the obvious BPA is Michkov. The Jackets already have a lot of money invested in wings with Gaudreau and Laine and have a couple of young wings that look promising (Marchenko, Chinakhov). The Jackets really need a center. The Devils have centers and could use an elite wing. There is a clear top 4 and the gap between the value of the 4th pick and the 5th pick this year looks huge.

What would you be willing to offer for the 4th pick and the chance to draft Michkov? Let’s take the Hughes brothers and Nemec off the table. Michkov won’t come over for a couple of seasons, but then when he does come over he will be cost controlled right when the Devils should be ready to make deep playoff runs. Would you consider Mercer, Mukhamadullin, + for Michkov? Would Hischier be on the table?

First off, will never happen. I don’t think a top five pick has been intentionally traded in the salary cap era.

If this is the year it’s going to happen, my guess is that everyone outside Hughes, Hughes, and Hischier would be available. Nemec would be available in a deal for Mitchkov.

Of course, if CLB is trying to get a center, NJ is a bad trading partner because they only have 2 centers good enough to include in a package for Mitchkov, and neither one is available.

Mercer, Mukhamadullin + doesn’t come close to Mitchkov’s value. And Mercer isn’t a center anyway.

If we’re talking about something realistic, I’d trade Bratt for Michkov if Bratt is playing hardball again on an extension.

If CLB is doing this because they want a center instead of a wing, Bratt would not be the centerpiece coming back.

 

[Guadana]

Fitz w(sh)ould easily trade Mercer and Shakir with a couple of first round picks. But value of Mitchkov is much more. He is potential star player with ceiling to be generational player. Kekka will laugh in the face of the league and will draft him without a doubt.
Nico and Jack are untouchable.

 

[Clam Jensen]

Fitz w(sh)ould easily trade Mercer and Shakir with a couple of first round picks. But value of Mitchkov is much more. He is potential star player with ceiling to be generational player. Kekka will laugh in the face of the league and will draft him without a doubt.
Nico and Jack are untouchable.

Any concern about his size? EP has him at 5’10”, but he looks closer to 5’8”; and 148 lbs is absurd

 

[Mgd31]

Blue Jackets fan coming in peace.

Let’s say the Blue Jackets have the 4th pick in the 2023 draft. Bedard, Fantilli, and Carlsson are taken 1, 2, and 3. The 4th pick is sitting there and the obvious BPA is Michkov. The Jackets already have a lot of money invested in wings with Gaudreau and Laine and have a couple of young wings that look promising (Marchenko, Chinakhov). The Jackets really need a center. The Devils have centers and could use an elite wing. There is a clear top 4 and the gap between the value of the 4th pick and the 5th pick this year looks huge.

What would you be willing to offer for the 4th pick and the chance to draft Michkov? Let’s take the Hughes brothers and Nemec off the table. Michkov won’t come over for a couple of seasons, but then when he does come over he will be cost controlled right when the Devils should be ready to make deep playoff runs. Would you consider Mercer, Mukhamadullin, + for Michkov? Would Hischier be on the table?

Mercer, Mukhamadullin and something else small in a heartbeat

 

[devilsfan35]

I like michkov but i don’t think the devils trade for a winger who won’t be in the nhl for the next couple of years.

 

[Guadana]

Any concern about his size? EP has him at 5’10”, but he looks closer to 5’8”; and 148 lbs is absurd

He is special talent. Im the one who doesn't like small players, I was a fan of Karlsson on thus draft before the season even started, but not in case of Mitchkov.
He is 5.10 and his lack of physicality is only privilege for him. He dominates and produce because of skill and iq, how he read the game. When he will get stronger, he will add new edge in his game.

Again no one will trade top 4 pick this year, not because

I like michkov but i don’t think the devils trade for a winger who won’t be in the nhl for the next couple of years.

, but because gms and real scouts understand what they will got. Ofcourse Kekka can make a trade for Nico/Jack, but Fitz will not make it for obvious reasons.

 

[TBF1972]

If we’re talking about something realistic, I’d trade Bratt for Michkov if Bratt is playing hardball again on an extension.

hardly a fit for cbj, if they want to trade michkov, because they have to much money (gaudreau, laine) on wings.

 

[MasterofGrond]

I’d love to trade for him. I think he’s SPECIAL.

I think a more likely outcome if CBJ wants a non wing is a trade with a franchise in a more similar draft position where maybe a team is willing to trade certainty for ceiling

 

[severian]

I can't respond to this thread in good faith until you change your avatar.

 

[Rhodes 81]

I'm by no means a prospect expert around here, but for me, Michkov is a generational potential type prospect and he would be a top 2 pick in this draft if he was going to be available to his NHL team immediately.

I would move quite a lot for a player like that in a vacuum, but we aren't in a vacuum and giving up contributing assets now for benefit 3-4 years away is not what our org is interested in doing anymore. If Lumbus was willing to take purely futures, I'd give up almost anything they ask for. Problem there is the Devils' embarrassment of riches is on D, not center, so they could probably get better elsewhere.

If it plays out this way, I think you're better off taking Michkov, being happy about that, and trading one of your other wings later on when Michkov is ready to contribute.

 

[Blackjack]

Setting aside the plain fact that top 5 picks are never traded, I think if NJ had chosen Wright over Nemec at #2, it’s possible that a package around Shane Wright would have worked.

I don’t think Seattle would be willing to part with him though, unless they have another big time center prospect I’m not thinking of.

 

[Nubmer6]

Setting aside the plain fact that top 5 picks are never traded, I think if NJ had chosen Wright over Nemec at #2, it’s possible that a package around Shane Wright would have worked.

I don’t think Seattle would be willing to part with him though, unless they have another big time center prospect I’m not thinking of.

I was going to write the exact same thing, both about Wright and about top 5 picks virtually never being traded.

 

[Guttersniped]

The Blue Jackets search for a center is an interesting conundrum but I don’t see how we solve it.

We aren’t trading Nico and Mercer isn’t really a sure thing at the position. I don’t see the logic of trading a top end pick for bunch of stuff, which we have to offer.

If the Blue Jackets draft Michkov they probably could move on from Laine by the time they had to pay him. He’s not signed that long.

 

[Guadana]

4 goals and 5 points in 8 games in Sochi(worst team in KHL history) as draft year player. Any team who will pass him for Fantillii, will make huge mistake. People worry about years of his KHL deal, but I don`t think we will see real impact from Fantilli and Carlsson in their Draft+1 year in NHL. I don`t think that any NHL GM will make a trade for a future generational player, because he has some needs here and now. Of course if someone will, we will have great fun page of NHL history.

 

[Devils731]

4 goals and 5 points in 8 games in Sochi(worst team in KHL history) as draft year player. Any team who will pass him for Fantillii, will make huge mistake. People worry about years of his KHL deal, but I don`t think we will see real impact from Fantilli and Carlsson in their Draft+1 year in NHL. I don`t think that any NHL GM will make a trade for a future generational player, because he has some needs here and now. Of course if someone will, we will have great fun page of NHL history.

If I had a bad team, I wouldn’t let Michov’s 2 more KHL years stop me from drafting him as soon as I thought he was the best player available.

A bad team isn’t likely to turn it around in 1 year anyway so some delayed gratification won’t hurt.

 

[My3Sons]

4 goals and 5 points in 8 games in Sochi(worst team in KHL history) as draft year player. Any team who will pass him for Fantillii, will make huge mistake. People worry about years of his KHL deal, but I don`t think we will see real impact from Fantilli and Carlsson in their Draft+1 year in NHL. I don`t think that any NHL GM will make a trade for a future generational player, because he has some needs here and now. Of course if someone will, we will have great fun page of NHL history.

Meh. he's no Gusev.

 

[Guadana]

If I had a bad team, I wouldn’t let Michov’s 2 more KHL years stop me from drafting him as soon as I thought he was the best player available.

A bad team isn’t likely to turn it around in 1 year anyway so some delayed gratification won’t hurt.

You even don`t know will your "alternative" play a meaning role in NHL or even be strong\competent enough to play in NHL. Wright is playing in OHL because he is CHL player, Michkov will play in KHL. It`s much better for development. I even don`t think that draft different player for more better team is a good strategy, because two-three years will left, and this team should be lucky to have 1-2 years of good hockey from young player. On the other hand another team will have developed generational talent and will bite everybody in the vss after three years.
Anaheim were the team who doesn`t like to draft russian players before. California has special vibe as I understand. So may be we will some some drop from Michkov in the draft day.

Meh. he's no Gusev.

Gusev has great hands and reaction. Too bad his foots don`t exist. He's really a goose with beautiful wings and funny short thin legs.