2023 ATD Poll #3: Less Experienced GMs choose draft-slots
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Hawkey Town 18
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Is there still the caveat we've had in previous years that this wouldn't apply to the top 4 picks?
TheDevilMadeMe
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I have no strong feelings about this one, other than I really don't want to get into an argument over who counts as "inexperienced."
ResilientBeast
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I've only participated since ATD 2014, therefore I want to pick first /s
Sturminator
Love is a duel
Agreed. I'm fine with letting GMs in their first two drafts choose their slot. Anything beyond that gets a no from me. There are a number of GMs (including myself) who have won the whole draft on their third try without selecting their slots.
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
This is very reasonable. Rookies/2nd year GMs pick anything from 5 to whatever.
I think the top 4 should always be random.
ChiTownPhilly
Not Too Soft
I like the idea of "vote the proposition first, work out the details later." That said, we'll have to work out the details pretty quick, presuming the resolution is passed.
I have NO problem with letting any abject rookies (i.e.: no experience) choose one of the top-3, if they want. It's the least we can do to reward them for their courage & commitment. [I'm not convinced slot '4' is any more advantageous than slot '5.' We've a a couple (few?!) winners from Bucket #5.] That said, maybe slot #5 might not be as desirable as it normally is- if our league-size doesn't get much larger than a dozen.
Experienced Champions (and other canny observers) want no part of being assigned a middle-of-order draft position- which is understandable.
I have NO problem with letting any abject rookies (i.e.: no experience) choose one of the top-3, if they want. It's the least we can do to reward them for their courage & commitment. [I'm not convinced slot '4' is any more advantageous than slot '5.' We've a a couple (few?!) winners from Bucket #5.] That said, maybe slot #5 might not be as desirable as it normally is- if our league-size doesn't get much larger than a dozen.
Experienced Champions (and other canny observers) want no part of being assigned a middle-of-order draft position- which is understandable.
TheDevilMadeMe
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The first time I was allowed to pick my own spot, I picked middle-of-order since I hadn't had it before. Then random chance gave me middle picks for the next few drafts (yuck), so I picked 5-9 as that was the one area of the draft I had yet to be in.
I'm sure I'm not the only one to play this who just wants a different draft start every time.
(This is not giving an opinion on the poll options; just responding to this particular statement of yours)
VanIslander
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Sturminator
Love is a duel
This is probably the best rule, and I'd vote for it, but honestly I don't care if newer GMs are allowed to take top-4 picks, either. Those players haven't proven to be such a stupendous advantage in the ATD, and the option to instantly build around a top-4 player (for two years) could be appealing to new GMs.
Of course, it's all for naught if we don't find some way to recruit new GMs to the draft. I'm no recruiter, so my opinion doesn't matter that much.
TheDevilMadeMe
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I certainly enjoyed having 1st then 3rd overall in my first 2 main ATDs. 
Totally random.
(my true noob draft was a previous MLD)
Totally random. (my true noob draft was a previous MLD)
Hawkey Town 18
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I've participated in 12 ATDs (in one of those I had 2 teams) and I've never picked in the top 4 once
(although I did get a top 4 player one year at a later spot)
(although I did get a top 4 player one year at a later spot)
ImporterExporter
"You're a boring old man"
Honestly I have no problem if we give rookies an option to start in the top 4 either, as you pointed out it's not as if those slots are producing ATD winners in a consistent manner.
Professor What
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I think it could be scaled. True rookies could have the option of choosing top 4, provided there were enough slots, while second-time players could choose anything but top 4.
BraveCanadian
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I have no problem if anyone wants to try a certain draft point whether they are new or just want to start from a new position in the draft.
Like as long as it is an occasional thing and someone doesn't want #1 every year or something!
Like as long as it is an occasional thing and someone doesn't want #1 every year or something!
Is there any first-time GM's currently signed up...?
I think Professor What is the closest newbie here, so this thread could be a moot point for this year at least. I'd be fine with the Professor picking his draft spot if he so chooses.
I think Professor What is the closest newbie here, so this thread could be a moot point for this year at least. I'd be fine with the Professor picking his draft spot if he so chooses.
Professor What
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We've got a potential first timer who's put out a feeler. They did ask about co-GMing though, so it might still be a moot point.
BenchBrawl
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Hawkey Town 18
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It looks like we already have an answer on this poll. Should we have a follow up poll to determine if the Top 4 spots are eligible to be chosen?
EDIT: or maybe we make 2-4 eligible, but leave the #1 pick open for the lottery?
Sturminator
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TheDevilMadeMe
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ChiTownPhilly
Not Too Soft
Preliminary idea:
#1- an "everybody-in-the-pool" lottery for #1 overall.
#2 select-your-slot" for those who've had 0-1-2 drafts (in "reverse-seniority" order).
#3 lottery the remainder.
I'd prefer to have a "derby-lottery #1" for those who've never been in a final (and then they would pick their slots), and then a "derby-lottery #2" for those who've been to multiple finals* (who, at present moment, are c. a third of our franchises), who would then select from the remainder. However, I don't think this will prove popular with the "Killer Whales" in our group.
*I'm not seeing anyone who's been to just one final- but if such a person exists, they could be flipped into derby-lottery #1 with the average cadavers like me.
#1- an "everybody-in-the-pool" lottery for #1 overall.
#2 select-your-slot" for those who've had 0-1-2 drafts (in "reverse-seniority" order).
#3 lottery the remainder.
I'd prefer to have a "derby-lottery #1" for those who've never been in a final (and then they would pick their slots), and then a "derby-lottery #2" for those who've been to multiple finals* (who, at present moment, are c. a third of our franchises), who would then select from the remainder. However, I don't think this will prove popular with the "Killer Whales" in our group.
*I'm not seeing anyone who's been to just one final- but if such a person exists, they could be flipped into derby-lottery #1 with the average cadavers like me.
TheDevilMadeMe
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I'm fine with this.
I'd also be fine with letting everyone pick their spots if they wish, with new GMs getting first choice. (I've finally started in every range as of last year, so I would just pick random myself).
Of course your proposal would be less work to implement, so it's probably what should happen.
BenchBrawl
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TheDevilMadeMe
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None that I can see. One of the admins of this draft could post on the history board that new or 2nd year GMs can pick their draft spot. That may or may not get someone to join.
