Prospect Info: [2023 - 5th OA] David Reinbacher (NL - EHC Kloten)

[EveryDay]

He was pronouncing it like Rein Bah quer

It's probably the right pronunciation even if my anglicized ears hated it.

You mean on youtube?

I tought it was Félix Séguin and he was saying rein bah eur, I was hoping he made a mistake

 

[WeThreeKings]

You mean on youtube?

I tought it was Félix Séguin and he was saying rein bah eur, I was hoping he made a mistake

He was doing a weird throat thing to pronounce the Cher but I think he's right it just sounds awful

 

[Scriptor]

I don't see how those two can get paired together long-term, once RB becomes a 23+ minute guy.

Reinbacher can easily play regular minutes at even strength with Hutson, extra shutdown minutes with Guhle at even strength for specific game situations and 1st PK minutes not involving Hutson, as well as 2nd PP wave minutes also away from his even strength partner, for example.

Meanwhile, Hutson gets extra minutes away from Reinbacher as a PP specialist on the 1st PP wave.

Reinbacher plays 23+ minutes and Hutson plays 20 minutes a night, both playing tother strengths.

 

[Mudz]

I found Reinbacher less dominant in a prospect game than I thought he should be, considering the tools he is said to have. In particular I did not see dominant skating similar to a young Petry, current Matheson, or even a Guhle. Will obviously keep watching. Perhaps he needs to adjust into the extra weight he gained.

Yup. He look sluggish. It feels like he put a tons of weight the old facshion way, without been functional. But the IQ is trough the roof. 95% he makes the optimal play.

You mean on youtube?

I tought it was Félix Séguin and he was saying rein bah eur, I was hoping he made a mistake

It was Sebastien Goulet and it's the correct pronunciation if you google it.

 

[Mrb1p]

Are they really prononcing Rein-baher? or is it Rein-Backer?

Because I didn't like the play-by-play guy in french yesterday.

Reinbaheur doesn't seems right, is it?

The CH sound in german is a hr sound, as if you were clearing your throat. Its the same as the scottish LoCH.

Its a hard sound to make for non germanophones. He wasnt doing it right, its much closer to a K than it is the inhaled H they have in latin laguanges.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Reinbacher can easily play regular minutes at even strength with Hutson, extra shutdown minutes with Guhle at even strength for specific game situations and 1st PK minutes not involving Hutson, as well as 2nd PP wave minutes also away from his even strength partner, for example.

Meanwhile, Hutson gets extra minutes away from Reinbacher as a PP specialist on the 1st PP wave.

Reinbacher plays 23+ minutes and Hutson plays 20 minutes a night, both playing tother strengths.

Long-term, I don't think it's an ideal fit. Reinbacher will be a minute-eater playing against top scorers and Hutson will not be. There is no guarantee that Reinbacher's ice time can be managed so that he is on the ice at the same time that the opponents most vulnerable to a shoulder fake will be on.

I can see:
23 min Matheson-Reinbacher
21 min Guhle-Mailloux
16 min Xhekaj-Barron
super-sub: Harris

......and Hutson tries to sneak onto the team in an offensive exploitation role and maybe force a trade of one or two of the above.

We can talk about options some more after Hutson learns how to skate backwards.

 

[Jaynki]

Long-term, I don't think it's an ideal fit. Reinbacher will be a minute-eater playing against top scorers and Hutson will not be. There is no guarantee that Reinbacher will be on the ice at the same time that the opponents most vulnerable to a shoulder fake will be on.

I can see:
Matheson-Reinbacher
Guhle-Mailloux
Xhekasj-Barron
Harris
......and Hutson tries to sneak onto the team in an offensive exploitation role and maybe force a trade of one or two of the above.

We can talk about options some more after Hutson learns how to skate backwards.

Personally i disagree with your evaluation of Hutson. I personally believe he is our highest potential prospect and i see him and Guhle and Reinbacher as a very strong D core going forward

I do agree with how you expect him to be used. I don't think he should be paired with Reinbacher who we will want against other team top lines but i do believe we will want Hutson on the ice a lot, and not just on the PP, but i believe we will want him on the ice and with the puck. He is a playmaker and he makes things happen.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Personally i disagree with your evaluation of Hutson. I personally believe he is our highest potential prospect and i see him and Guhle and Reinbacher as a very strong D core going forward

I do agree with how you expect him to be used. I don't think he should be paired with Reinbacher who we will want against other team top lines but i do believe we will want Hutson on the ice a lot, and not just on the PP, but i believe we will want him on the ice and with the puck. He is a playmaker and he makes things happen.

Once again, these options can be discussed after Hutson learns how to skate backwards. I will add that before he can star on a PP, he will need to develoip a better shot but that is a learnable skill.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Long-term, I don't think it's an ideal fit. Reinbacher will be a minute-eater playing against top scorers and Hutson will not be. There is no guarantee that Reinbacher's ice time can be managed so that he is on the ice at the same time that the opponents most vulnerable to a shoulder fake will be on.

The best way to defend against top scorers is by playing offense and keeping possession of the puck, and Hutson is excellent at that.

If Reinbacher can help Hutson defensively and Hutson can help Reinbacher offensively, then thats a great pairing that can play against anyone.

It would the habs version of Makar - Toews

 

[BaseballCoach]

The best way to defend against top scorers is by playing offense and keeping possession of the puck, and Hutson is excellent at that.

If Reinbacher can help Hutson defensively and Hutson can help Reinbacher offensively, then thats a great pairing that can play against anyone.

It would the habs version of Makar - Toews

Has there ever been an NHL defenceman who can't skate backwards, can't knowk anytone off the puck and can't shoot?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Has there ever been an NHL defenceman who can't skate backwards, can't knowk anytone off the puck and can't shoot?

Hutson has a decent shot and he has a good stick, which he uses to knock the puck off players. Getting better at skating backwards isn't difficult to do, and he'll see a good amount of improvement just by getting a stronger lower body.

 

[Mudz]

On the Tellement Hockey podcast, Alex Gascon mentions that everyone in Buffalo, notably Vaclav Prospal and some scouts, think he should be playing in the AHL. He mentions that the only reason the team wants to send him overseas is the draft drama.

While I agree that David might not be ready on the emotional level for the Montreal (Laval) stage, I'm glad to see that on a hockey heads think he should play in Laval. Had the feeling Gorton was doing some expectations management at the gold tournament.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I really liked what I see from him at prospect games. His offensive ability is very underrated. I think he is that type of D that he can make everyone around him better.

Great skating, very fast aswell, great defensive IQ, great position at D, good shot, very good at PP, he is going to be a D that he can do everything on ice. If he can be more physical, that will be a +, but at this moment, I perfectly understand why Habs management are high on him.

If he reach his full potential, the only way to have that type of player is by the draft.

 

[MadMslm]

I really liked what I see from him at prospect games. His offensive ability is very underrated. I think he is that type of D that he can make everyone around him better.

Great skating, very fast aswell, great defensive IQ, great position at D, good shot, very good at PP, he is going to be a D that he can do everything on ice. If he can be more physical, that will be a +, but at this moment, I perfectly understand why Habs management are high on him.

If he reach his full potential, the only way to have that type of player is by the draft.

He had a timid but good showing, especially on the defensive side of things.

I don’t really see him as an offensive dynamo or expect 60pts out of him, but I expect him to contribute offensively. I know someone like @Goldenhands is inclined to think so, and hopefully he’s right about it.

Not really worried about his offensive input as he’ll play so many minutes that he will pick up his fair share of points. His skating his great, he can execute some nice passes and his shooting arsenal can find the net.

His ability to transport the puck will be essential, it’s something he started to do more in the second half of the season. He’s also smart, he may not do that 360 on the blue line or fin a teammate between 4 players, but his smart bank pass on the board will result in the same outcome.

It’s really where he shines, good comprehension and decision making for a young man like him.

 

[Jaynki]

I really liked what I see from him at prospect games. His offensive ability is very underrated. I think he is that type of D that he can make everyone around him better.

Great skating, very fast aswell, great defensive IQ, great position at D, good shot, very good at PP, he is going to be a D that he can do everything on ice. If he can be more physical, that will be a +, but at this moment, I perfectly understand why Habs management are high on him.

If he reach his full potential, the only way to have that type of player is by the draft.

I agree and i love your enthusiasm.

I think he is a player who will rack a shitload of assist simply from passing the puck up front to his forward.

I think there is 50-70 points potential here simply by the amount of minutes played, amount of puck touches, playing heads up and up front, keeping the play alive in the ozone.

 

[Andy]

He had a timid but good showing, especially on the defensive side of things.

I don’t really see him as an offensive dynamo or expect 60pts out of him, but I expect him to contribute offensively. I know someone like @Goldenhands is inclined to think so, and hopefully he’s right about it.

Not really worried about his offensive input as he’ll play so many minutes that he will pick up his fair share of points. His skating his great, he can execute some nice passes and his shooting arsenal can find the net.

His ability to transport the puck will be essential, it’s something he started to do more in the second half of the season. He’s also smart, he may not do that 360 on the blue line or fin a teammate between 4 players, but his smart bank pass on the board will result in the same outcome.

It’s really where he shines, good comprehension and decision making for a young man like him.

Maybe not 60 points, but there are plenty of defensemen who aren't dynamos with the puck but get 40-50 points just making smart, simple break out passes, or holding the offensive zone and firing smart pucks on net. I can totally see him in this category.

 

[Scriptor]

I see your point.

Personally, i see him with Guhle.

I think we could exploit their speed, size, strenght and tenacity in a massive wat. I would give them the toughest minutes possible so we could exploit someone like Hutson offensively in a better fashion.

Against top line, top PK, most dzone start, etc.

My humble opinion on this hypothetical scenario.

There's an argument to be made for shutdown pair of Guhle - Reinbacher as a 1st pair that draws the most minutes and the toughest ones, especially if a D like Hutson and/or Mailloux need to be sheltered on lower pairings.

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson -Engstrom
Xhekaj - Mailloux

Montreal would be sitting in an envious position if Guhle and Reinbacher also flirted with their higher offensive potential in the process of shutting down opponents' best players.

Offense would simply be exploding from the backend.

Earlier on, though, I would tend to insulate Hutson and Mailloux instead with top-end shutdown partners:

Hutson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Mailloux
Xhekaj - Engstrom

 

[MadMslm]

Maybe not 60 points, but there are plenty of defensemen who aren't dynamos with the puck but get 40-50 points just making smart, simple break out passes, or holding the offensive zone and firing smart pucks on net. I can totally see him in this category.

That’s where I see him. Coupled with his ability to play defence, that’s a top pair defensemen.

 

[le_sean]

There's an argument to be made for shutdown pair of Guhle - Reinbacher as a 1st pair that draws the most minutes and the toughest ones, especially if a D like Hutson and/or Mailloux need to be sheltered on lower pairings.

Guhle - Reinbacher
Hutson -Engstrom
Xhekaj - Mailloux

Montreal would be sitting in an envious position if Guhle and Reinbacher also flirted with their higher offensive potential in the process of shutting down opponents' best players.

Offense would simply be exploding from the backend.

Earlier on, though, I would tend insulate Hutson and Mailloux instead with top-end shutdown partners:

Hutson - Reinbacher
Guhle - Mailloux
Xhekaj - Engstrom

From the start I was thinking his best partner would be Guhle. They can do it all and can be one of the premier pairings in the NHL. Extremely difficult to play against and some offence to keep teams honest. They can be thrown out there 25 mins a game, every second shift, and you don’t have to worry. That’s very valuable.

I get that people like the classic offensive and defensive guy partnership, but I think you’re stifling either Guhle or Reinbacher in forcing them to be the defensive guy on the pairing.

 

[Andy]

From the start I was thinking his best partner would be Guhle. They can do it all and can be one of the premier pairings in the NHL. Extremely difficult to play against and some offence to keep teams honest. They can be thrown out there 25 mins a game, every second shift, and you don’t have to worry. That’s very valuable.

I get that people like the classic offensive and defensive guy partnership, but I think you’re stifling either Guhle or Reinbacher in forcing them to be the defensive guy on the pairing.

Suter-Weber style.

 

[Scriptor]

From the start I was thinking his best partner would be Guhle. They can do it all and can be one of the premier pairings in the NHL. Extremely difficult to play against and some offence to keep teams honest. They can be thrown out there 25 mins a game, every second shift, and you don’t have to worry. That’s very valuable.

I get that people like the classic offensive and defensive guy partnership, but I think you’re stifling either Guhle or Reinbacher in forcing them to be the defensive guy on the pairing.

Maybe you would be stifling a bit of Reinbacher's offense, but if it unleashes a $hitload of offense from Hutson, the tradeoff might be worth it. Same for Guhle-Mailloux.

But, honestly, Hutson - Engstrom might yield the same offense from Hutson, without sacrificing the shutdown pairing of Guhle - Reinbacher?

Xhekaj - Mailloux might also help Mailloux's even strength production by having him face off against weaker opposition.

All options are good until proven wrong.

 

[WeThreeKings]

From the start I was thinking his best partner would be Guhle. They can do it all and can be one of the premier pairings in the NHL. Extremely difficult to play against and some offence to keep teams honest. They can be thrown out there 25 mins a game, every second shift, and you don’t have to worry. That’s very valuable.

I get that people like the classic offensive and defensive guy partnership, but I think you’re stifling either Guhle or Reinbacher in forcing them to be the defensive guy on the pairing.

I think that's more of a late 2nd/full 3rd period of a play-off game type of move.

The other perspective is, if you separate them, that's more than 2/3rds of the game with one of them on the ice.

 

[DinosaurBones]

Matheson - Guhle
Harris - Savard
Xhekaj - Barron/Kovy

or some combination of the sorts is what I expected to start the year given camp performance and how that goes.

Wides/Lids possible 7 D if Barron starts in Laval.

It will be interesting to see that with the Wides injury, and a good camp from Reinbacher. Does KH let Barron play huge minutes in the A for the first bit, give Reinbacher 9 games (and 9 games only), then bring Barron up when Reinbacher is done his stint, and has played good minutes being "the guy" in the A. Meanwhile when Wides is back from injury he gets a free run in the AHL without needing waivers because of the injury. AND can also be a room guy at the NHL level while he rehabs which is his main purpose anyways.

Almost ideal scenerio if Wides just stays hurt and can be around the guys not on the roster

 

[Scriptor]

Reinbacher returning to Kloten has an extra advantage for Montreal as it will help slide his entry level contract.

He might play there again the next year for the very same reason if the development goes well.

Still, that gets us four or five years of Reinbacher developing on his ELC before needing to extend him. It also lands his contra ct renegotiation, for a 2nd NHL contract in themiddleof Caufield and Suzuki's contracts and after Dach's contract os renewed.

Staggering some the bigger contracts a smart move, IMO.

 

[Hacketts]

Has there ever been an NHL defenceman who can't skate backwards, can't knowk anytone off the puck and can't shoot?

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