2023-24 Senators Prospect Watch

[BoardsofCanada]

Disappointing to hear Elisasson isn't getting much ice time for Barrie. I thought maybe he was playing an important role in their playoff run. Guess not.

Watching the NHL playoffs though, it reminds me why we took a guy like him. You absolutely need these big, tough mofos to make life hell for the opposition. They don't have to score, they just need to be nasty and incredibly difficult to play against.

I'm not saying Eliasson isn't a long shot to make it, but if he can develop the necessary pace of play and perhaps some discipline, he would be a very useful player. I still have hope. I'm sure the Sens management will be very patient with him.

 

[GCK]

Dickens Son is probably what you meant. I like Charles Dickens . I am led to believe he had more than one son.. but this one has some Candian history.

Francis J. Dickens: Profile of an Officer - Canada's History

One of the first officers of the newly formed North-West Mounted Police, Francis Dickens, son of novelist Charles Dickens, was noted for his famous parentage, if not much else.

www.canadashistory.ca

.. Dickinson talk can now be found in the General Prospects thread on this board. He's not even at 2 pts a game in the playoffs so you might be disappointed.

Perfect. Let’s get back to Nordberg. Do we still own Lodin’s rights ?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Perfect. Let’s get back to Nordberg. Do we still own Lodin’s rights ?

Sure cherry pick the most exciting guys.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Greig does some pretty dumb stuff at times, but I can't ever recall a guy quite like Eliasson. Or at least not one a team used a high draft pick on.

Back in the day guys used to rack up huge PIM totals in junior by having like 15 fights and 10 misconducts.

Eliasson took 53 [!!] minors this year.

Consistency is one of the things that gets stressed with young players.

Donnie was drooling over a future Eliasson Yakemchuk pair. He was over the moon getting these guys with their top 2 picks

 

[aragorn]

Eliasson gets a lot of calls against him because he is so much bigger than most in junior. A lot of guys heads are at his elbows & when he goes into the boards to hit a guy the refs are always watching so closely he doesn't kill a kid. I think in the NHL it will be slightly better given NHL players are bigger but this is something that will always haunt him because refs are always looking to protect players & he hits to hurt.

 

[Senator Stanley]

I remember reading Scott Wheeler's write up on Eliasson and thinking he was being dramatic.

I’ve seen some players cost their teams with discipline over the years but I’m not sure I’ve ever watched a more undisciplined, immature player than Eliasson.

Then I watched him play. The degree to which he's undisciplined is unlike anything I've ever seen. It's like he doesn't know that cross checking a guy in the face after a whistle for absolutely no reason isn't a penalty. He just decides he wants to do it, doesn't have any concerns about the consequences, and so he does it.

I don't know how you coach a kid like that. I don't know how you play a kid like that.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Eliasson probably drives his teammates absolutely insane. 53 minor penalties, most of them extremely dumb and unnecessary.

Anyone who thinks this is just a discipline issue and not a problem with how he processes the game is lying to themselves. Dude is brain dead.

A Boucher-esque selection at 39th overall. Hope our brain dead scouts are pleased.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I remember reading Scott Wheeler's write up on Eliasson and thinking he was being dramatic.



Then I watched him play. The degree to which he's undisciplined is unlike anything I've ever seen. It's like he doesn't know that cross checking a guy in the face after a whistle for absolutely no reason isn't a penalty. He just decides he wants to do it, doesn't have any concerns about the consequences, and so he does it.

I don't know how you coach a kid like that. I don't know how you play a kid like that.

Here’s a different perspective: how do you teach a kid to be that aggressive? The short answer is that you can’t.

If he can be coached to toe the line, to channel that aggression within the boundaries, that’s a unicorn type of attitude. That’s Tom Wilson on the back end.

Now he needs to be able to play the position, and he needs to learn a lot, but he’s still so young, and Junior is a hell of a lot softer than the AHL and NHL will be.

We’ll see how he trends once we can get our coaches on him, or he moves to a team that is willing to work with him more closely.

 

[BondraTime]

Yeah not sure there's much to Eliasson, offers almost nothing but size and aggression, curious what the parameters of getting an ELC will be

 

[Senator Stanley]

Here’s a different perspective: how do you teach a kid to be that aggressive? The short answer is that you can’t.

If he can be coached to toe the line, to channel that aggression within the boundaries, that’s a unicorn type of attitude. That’s Tom Wilson on the back end.

Now he needs to be able to play the position, and he needs to learn a lot, but he’s still so young, and Junior is a hell of a lot softer than the AHL and NHL will be.

We’ll see how he trends once we can get our coaches on him, or he moves to a team that is willing to work with him more closely.

I totally understand the "you can't teach mean" argument, and we've seen it work out great with a guy like Ridly Greig. You can't teach the way he plays, and as he's matured he's mostly learned how to play right up to the line without going over it.

But Eliasson is orders of magnitude more undisciplined than Ridly Greig ever was. I honestly don't know how you rein in a guy who plays like he has no clue that a line even exists. It's not like his coaches in Barrie aren't already in his ear already telling him he has to be more disciplined and that he's hurting the team. Of course they are.

"Stop crosschecking guys after the whistle away who were nowhere near the play - you're hurting the team." That's not a complicated instruction. And yet he keeps doing it.

 

[Micklebot]

Here’s a different perspective: how do you teach a kid to be that aggressive? The short answer is that you can’t.

If he can be coached to toe the line, to channel that aggression within the boundaries, that’s a unicorn type of attitude. That’s Tom Wilson on the back end.

Now he needs to be able to play the position, and he needs to learn a lot, but he’s still so young, and Junior is a hell of a lot softer than the AHL and NHL will be.

We’ll see how he trends once we can get our coaches on him, or he moves to a team that is willing to work with him more closely.

I think it's a bit unfair to call him tom wilson on the back end. Wilson just put up 65 pts this year,

I think we'd be luck if we get Xhekaj out of him tbh, but there's lots of runway so who knows.

The thing is, this kid is super young... like, he's still 18 until the start of next season, he'll have just turned 19 when training camp starts in September.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think it's a bit unfair to call him tom wilson on the back end. Wilson just put up 65 pts this year,

I think we'd be luck if we get Xhekaj out of him tbh, but there's lots of runway so who knows.

The thing is, this kid is super young... like, he's still 18 until the start of next season, he'll have just turned 19 when training camp starts in September.

Do we have any reports on his abilities vs his undisciplined play. Is he taking penalties to compensate for something he isn't doing well?

Can he defend? How are his reads .. Reports from his DY were his skating was at least average .. is that a Dave Poulin skating assessment or something more reliable. Can he close? Can he shut guys down on the boards off a cycle or rush wide? How is his edge work?

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think it's a bit unfair to call him tom wilson on the back end. Wilson just put up 65 pts this year,

I think we'd be luck if we get Xhekaj out of him tbh, but there's lots of runway so who knows.

The thing is, this kid is super young... like, he's still 18 until the start of next season, he'll have just turned 19 when training camp starts in September.

Of course, I was simply referring to the meanness and aggressive that Wilson has that is very rare. He often loses his cool and hurt guys.

If I wasn’t clear enough, that’s my bad.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I totally understand the "you can't teach mean" argument, and we've seen it work out great with a guy like Ridly Greig. You can't teach the way he plays, and as he's matured he's mostly learned how to play right up to the line without going over it.

But Eliasson is orders of magnitude more undisciplined than Ridly Greig ever was. I honestly don't know how you rein in a guy who plays like he has no clue that a line even exists. It's not like his coaches in Barrie aren't already in his ear already telling him he has to be more disciplined and that he's hurting the team. Of course they are.

"Stop crosschecking guys after the whistle away who were nowhere near the play - you're hurting the team." That's not a complicated instruction. And yet he keeps doing it.

Absolutely, and I’m not making claims that he’ll be a player at this point, just pointing out that if tamed a bit it’s a quality that is extremely rare.

As for coaching, I mean more that his a tiny part of the team and likely doesn’t get much catered instruction. For sure they tell him to stop cross checking, but there is little need for his kind of play in juniors, but there absolutely is in the pros, albeit with some lines.

Could be better for him not to play by junior lines.

Anyways, it’s all moot if he can’t get his game to a level where he can make the next level!

 

[OD99]

Do we have any reports on his abilities vs his undisciplined play. Is he taking penalties to compensate for something he isn't doing well?

Can he defend? How are his reads .. Reports from his DY were his skating was at least average .. is that a Dave Poulin skating assessment or something more reliable. Can he close? Can he shut guys down on the boards off a cycle or rush wide? How is his edge work?

This.

Fine, he crosses the line a lot but is he benched because of that or because he can't play D well enough? Are his penalties always about aggression or is it tripping. clutching and grabbing because he can't keep up with the play?

We know he has no offensive upside, so he better be a damn good defender.

I agree he is young and has some unique attributes, but at the end of the day he needs to be a good hockey player. It seemed like an odd pick when it happened, and it may look a little worse now.

 

[BondraTime]

He's not playing much, or being relied on much, because he isn't a very good D in the OHL for a contending team, don't think it's anything more than that.

Eye test, advanced stats and regular stats would back that up this year, he just isn't very good at the moment

 

[Hale The Villain]

Taking Eliasson over Brunicke is like taking Boucher over Sillinger/Coronato all over again.

Scouts could have taken a player that can play and also bring a physical element, but they couldn't help themselves and chose the goon that only brings physicality/toughness and can't play at all.

People can respond to this saying we probably should have gambled on a high skill player like Hutson over a guy like Brunicke after years of drafting nothing but grit, but I'm just being realistic. Probably had 5'10 Hutson ranked in the late rounds, if at all.

 

[Xspyrit]

Eliasson probably drives his teammates absolutely insane. 53 minor penalties, most of them extremely dumb and unnecessary.

Anyone who thinks this is just a discipline issue and not a problem with how he processes the game is lying to themselves. Dude is brain dead.

A Boucher-esque selection at 39th overall. Hope our brain dead scouts are pleased.

I hope people are not stressing too much about how Eliasson will "adjust" to the NHL because chances are very slim that he ever makes it.

What is it that they don't get? To draft a player, you have to be able to project hockey IQ, skill and skating to become NHL level. If the answer is "probably not", then just don't pick him at all, even if the guy is 10 feet tall. I don't get what is rocket science in all this.

Taking Eliasson over Brunicke is like taking Boucher over Sillinger/Coronato all over again.

Scouts could have taken a player that can play and also bring a physical element, but they couldn't help themselves and chose the goon that only brings physicality/toughness and can't play at all.

People can respond to this saying we probably should have gambled on a high skill player like Hutson over a guy like Brunicke after years of drafting nothing but grit, but I'm just being realistic. Probably had 5'10 Hutson ranked in the late rounds, if at all.

Why not take a Cole Hutson with that pick and take all the Bouchers and Eliassons with the later picks and hope that one develops into something?

 

[BondraTime]

Ellinas pots one on the PP

Was a 5 v 4 but a shot knocked London's forward to the ice making it 5 v 3 down low on the goal, Ellinas was given a cross ice pass for an empty net he potted

Sens guys took back to back PIMS giving them a 5 v 3

 

[GoodinOsgoode]

Snapshot taken from the first period of the London/Kitchener series.

Taking a look at the Penalties, our Scouts would be so proud!!

 

[mianjo]

Elinas with Kitchener's goal tonight is also leading scorer for Kitchener in the playoffs, whereas he was 7th in the regular season.

 

[starling]

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Snapshot taken from the first period of the London/Kitchener series.

Taking a look at the Penalties, our Scouts would be so proud!!

Total domination. Ottawa Senators hockey.

 

[GCK]

Yeah not sure there's much to Eliasson, offers almost nothing but size and aggression, curious what the parameters of getting an ELC will be

I’ve seen progression from him. I’d expect that he really takes a step next year. He really improved in his first season over here. He was always going to be a 4 to 5 year project.

 

[GCK]

Yeah not sure there's much to Eliasson, offers almost nothing but size and aggression, curious what the parameters of getting an ELC will be

I’ve seen progression from him. I’d expect that he really takes a step next year. He really improved in his first season over here. He was always going to be a 4 to 5 year project

I hope people are not stressing too much about how Eliasson will "adjust" to the NHL because chances are very slim that he ever makes it.

What is it that they don't get? To draft a player, you have to be able to project hockey IQ, skill and skating to become NHL level. If the answer is "probably not", then just don't pick him at all, even if the guy is 10 feet tall. I don't get what is rocket science in all this.



Why not take a Cole Hutson with that pick and take all the Bouchers and Eliassons with the later picks and hope that one develops into something

Ellison wouldn’t have been available with our next pick.

 

[mianjo]

Kitcheners season almost over London lead 4-1 with 8 to go