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Keep all 3. Leason has produced despite playing with horrible linemates. He has some offensive upside. Vaaks is serviceable, trade Fowler. Lindstrom is a perfect 6-7 guy-break glass in case of injury.
Leason and Lindstrom really should be depth options, players that go through waivers and go unclaimed. Lindstrom would be a good AHL vet option if Trevor Carrick moves on. Leason could swap with someone like Regenda so we can see what he brings.

I have a feeling both Mcginn and Meyers will be AHL vets replacing Deleo, Gawdin, and Agozzino.
 

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Leason and Lindstrom really should be depth options, players that go through waivers and go unclaimed. Lindstrom would be a good AHL vet option if Trevor Carrick moves on. Leason could swap with someone like Regenda so we can see what he brings.

I have a feeling both Mcginn and Meyers will be AHL vets replacing Deleo, Gawdin, and Agozzino.
Mcginn and Meyers will definitely not be with the ducks next season.
 

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How do you propose that? He's still under contract, he cannot be bought out since he's injured, no one is going to trade for him and this team certainly isn't going to attach an asset to move him
Somehow someway our Gm will make this happen. He says he wants production from our bottom 6, and I strongly believe him.
 

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What do the forums think about bringing back the following players?

1.) Leason
2.) Lindstrom
3.) Vaaks

I honestly wouldn't mind if all three were brought back. I think, in particular, Lindstrom has been extremely effective. I think also both Leason and Vaaks have improved this season.

None of them really.

You can find depth pieces on the waiver wire/FA that can (probably) do a better job. Especially with a forward like Leason
 
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It's an interesting question of who to keep because change clearly needs to be made.

Step 1 for forwards is to sign Gauthier and another winger who can score. It needs to be a clear top 6 player who can push others down in the lineup.

What's left is 3 spots on the 4th line. Out of Leason, Jones, Johnston, McGinn, and Lundestrom, I would keep Lundestrom and Johnston. Johnston because of the contract and Lundestrom to play center. Let Regenda, Nesterenko, etc... fight for the last spot. Leason, Jones, and McGinn aren't doing much to move the team forward.

On defense, Fowler, Mintyukov, Zellweger, LaCombe, Gudas, and Luneau are all either under contract, should be playing, or has been stated to play. I personally think Luneau will not make the team next season. However, that's all the spots. There isn't room for Lindstrom or Vaakanainen. One could be the 7th but if the Ducks aquire a top 4 defenseman, and they should this summer, then there's even less space. To keep Lindstrom and/or Vaakanainen, someone needs to be sent down and someone else traded.
 
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I’d be curious on

Cutter Leo Terry
Killorn Mctavish xx
Vatrano Zegras Strome
xx Lundestrom Leason

You’d want the 4th line to be able to contribute 20 pts, if they play defense, then even more of a bonus. If they have to run with the 3rd line, then they are overmatched. Verbeek said he wants a top 6 winger, so let’s see what he can deliver.
 

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Ideally, the Ducks get a legit top 6 forward. IF they don't, I would like at least a slightly longer experiment with Lundestrom with two scorers. Whenever he's been put with two offensive players, the line seems to do well (with Rakell/Comtois, McTavish/Silf... though Silf isn't much of a scorer now).

Lundestrom-McTavish-Terry
Killorn-Carlsson-Gauthier (play Cutter on his off wing as a shooter, plus he said he can play all 3)
Vatrano-Zegras-Strome

On the main boards, Philly fans have talked about buying out Des. I wonder if Johnston (smaller contract) for Des would interest them. Sign someone like Carrick and all of a sudden, the 4th line is tough and can play hockey again (assuming Des hasn't fallen off a cliff since being here).

Des-Carrick-Leason

This also frees up money for the defense. Throw a big dollar 1 year contract at Roy or Pesce. Both are 29 and turn 30 during next season, if you over pay by a couple mil they are still going to be young enough to sign a contract next summer (even if it's 1 year less for similar money, they get that couple mil more).
Minty-Roy/Pesce
Fowler-Zell
LaCombe-Gudas
Vaak/Lindstrom

Luneau basically missed this year for development. Let him go back down to San Diego and find his game. He can fill in for injuries and IF he forces his way on the the lineup, maybe trade Fowler at 50% retained by the deadline (would only be a year and change and at $3.25 mil for 2 playoffs, he'd have a decent amount of value despite what everyone here says about him).
 

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That's fair, but again, there's nowhere for Lindstrom to play on the right. Gudas is our RD3. If Gudas or Lindstrom are our RD2, we're in trouble. So then it comes down to whether we want a righty or lefty as the 7th d-man.

From the eye test, Vaakanainen seems to play a better positional game than Lindstrom. Lindstrom seems to have better skills in the offensive zone, but he's not good enough to complete many plays. I'd rather just have Vaaks back there playing good defense.

ES DZone Starts
Gudas 61.3%​
Lindstrom 60.6%​
Vaak 57.6%​
LaCombe 55.5%​
Lagesson 52.5%​
Hagg 52.4%​
Lybushkin 52.0%​
Minty 50.9%​
Fowler 49.4%​
Zell 43.3%​
Luneau 43.0%​

Zell's offense is amazing, but seeing the DZone Start %, we're masking that defensive deficiency. The same goes for Luneau.

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If Luneau and Zell are up with the club along with keeping LaCombe, then...

Fowler-Luneau
Minty - LaCombe
Zell-Gudas

Extras: Vaak, Lindstrom

There's nowhere to play for Vaak either, but Lindstrom being a RD is more valuable considering we can put LaCombe back on the left side or bring someone up from the AHL who can play on the left side.

If next year is a development season, which I think it should be, then we should re-sign both Vaak and Lindstrom. We don't know how big a jump or if there is a jump in development with our young defensemen.

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What if Luneau starts off in the AHL?
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Then retaining Lindstrom looks even better. That is if we're still doing this whole development season next year.
 

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I’d be curious on

Cutter Leo Terry
Killorn Mctavish xx
Vatrano Zegras Strome
xx Lundestrom Leason

You’d want the 4th line to be able to contribute 20 pts, if they play defense, then even more of a bonus. If they have to run with the 3rd line, then they are overmatched. Verbeek said he wants a top 6 winger, so let’s see what he can deliver.
When did he say that?

The skeleton for that lineup looks solid, it’s funny because for a team that is horrid, there may not be too many open spots to compete for going in to this offseason.

People have been weirdly harsh on him ever since he got here. Never understood it
He has made incredible strides from last year to this year in his skating and overall skill game. May be one of the most improved Ducks.
 
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It's an interesting question of who to keep because change clearly needs to be made.

Step 1 for forwards is to sign Gauthier and another winger who can score. It needs to be a clear top 6 player who can push others down in the lineup.

What's left is 3 spots on the 4th line. Out of Leason, Jones, Johnston, McGinn, and Lundestrom, I would keep Lundestrom and Johnston. Johnston because of the contract and Lundestrom to play center. Let Regenda, Nesterenko, etc... fight for the last spot. Leason, Jones, and McGinn aren't doing much to move the team forward.

On defense, Fowler, Mintyukov, Zellweger, LaCombe, Gudas, and Luneau are all either under contract, should be playing, or has been stated to play. I personally think Luneau will not make the team next season. However, that's all the spots. There isn't room for Lindstrom or Vaakanainen. One could be the 7th but if the Ducks aquire a top 4 defenseman, and they should this summer, then there's even less space. To keep Lindstrom and/or Vaakanainen, someone needs to be sent down and someone else traded.
IMHO there's no way we don't acquire/sign a top 4D. Going into next season with three 20 year olds on D would be a certified shitshow, and we need a stabilizing force that actually has a proven track record of playing good defense.
 
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When did he say that?

The skeleton for that lineup looks solid, it’s funny because for a team that is horrid, there may not be too many open spots to compete for going in to this offseason.


He has made incredible strides from last year to this year in his skating and overall skill game. May be one of the most improved Ducks.
He said it at the season ticket even recently. Top 6 winger this summer, and a bottom six forward next year (or maybe also this summer). Didn't mention anything about defense and from HD wrote you can see why. Too few spots for too many kids as it is.
 

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When did he say that?

The skeleton for that lineup looks solid, it’s funny because for a team that is horrid, there may not be too many open spots to compete for going in to this offseason.

At the Migration event is when Verbeek stated this, acquiring a top-6 RW and improving the bottom-6. It should start at the 24:18 mark on the video. If it doesn't, then go to the chaptered section titled Additions.



Maybe there's a RW in Colangelo, perhaps, but he's not an established-NHL top-6RW.
 
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What do the forums think about bringing back the following players?

1.) Leason
2.) Lindstrom
3.) Vaaks

I honestly wouldn't mind if all three were brought back. I think, in particular, Lindstrom has been extremely effective. I think also both Leason and Vaaks have improved this season.
I'd bring back all three.

Leason is a decent bottom 6 player, who can PK decently and be pushed up the line up in a pinch as a big bodied forward.

Lindstrom seems a reliable 6/7 option guy, and certainly hasn't looked out of place at the NHL level also a big positive is he's a RH shot.

Vaaks I feel is underrated, he can easily be a 2nd pairing guy IMO, his development has been pretty interrupted but I can see him taking another step forward. This has been his first full NHL season and he's looked really solid overall on a horrid defense. I'm surprised there is so much talk of him not being a fit in our defence......it's not like we are flush with options. I certainly see others which are more likely to be the odd ones out.
 
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He said it at the season ticket even recently. Top 6 winger this summer, and a bottom six forward next year (or maybe also this summer). Didn't mention anything about defense and from HD wrote you can see why. Too few spots for too many kids as it is.
Sadly I feel like this reasoning is sound and I'm very scared that PV won't add to the D.

As for my 2 cents, I think we keep and who we let go very much depends on who PV thinks he can get this summer and that IMO starts with the draft lottery. If we win and actually get first I don't think he adds a forward. If we land anywhere else I think he moves forward with who ever we draft with the assumption that they won't be on the team next year. I think if we add a Roy or Pesce they would fill the elevated role of Lindstrom. Pushing him to a #7. From there who does The new guy play with Fowler or Minty? If it's Fowler it likely pushes Zell to the 3rd pair RD with either Vaaks or lacomb. If they like Fowler-Zell then the new guy plays with Minty which pushes Gudas to the bottom pairing. I think this distinction determines which you keep. Keeping both Vaaks and Lacomb allows for more flexibility in those pairings. Which I think spells the end if Lindstrom. Unless they go 8 D.

At forward let's assume we don't get 1st oa in the draft. It will be interesting to see what PV sees as a top 6 RW. Let's look at both UFA and trade options:
UFA
Stamkos
Reinhart
Marchessault
Pavelski

Trade
Boeser
Konecny
Laine
Forsberg?
Tuch
Necas
I would probably target a guy who can PK which is why I'm starting to lean toward Reinhart. I have a hard time seeing Stamkos or Pavelski leave and I'm not sure marchy is a fit given the size of our group already. In the trade route I'm not sure who is actually available, I chose some guys I thought MIGHT make sense but still have a hard time seeing any of these guys leave. Boeser might get pushed out due to money. Laine seems to have some off ice issues.

On the 4th line I'd expect
McGinn-Lundestrom-Leason. I think it's easy to forget McGinn had like 12 goals or something last year. You could conceivably get 30 goals out of that 4th line. That being said I think I'd target Hathaway from Philly for a more veteran presence down there to replace Carrick and his role and also get some PKing.
 

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Sadly I feel like this reasoning is sound and I'm very scared that PV won't add to the D.

As for my 2 cents, I think we keep and who we let go very much depends on who PV thinks he can get this summer and that IMO starts with the draft lottery. If we win and actually get first I don't think he adds a forward. If we land anywhere else I think he moves forward with who ever we draft with the assumption that they won't be on the team next year. I think if we add a Roy or Pesce they would fill the elevated role of Lindstrom. Pushing him to a #7. From there who does The new guy play with Fowler or Minty? If it's Fowler it likely pushes Zell to the 3rd pair RD with either Vaaks or lacomb. If they like Fowler-Zell then the new guy plays with Minty which pushes Gudas to the bottom pairing. I think this distinction determines which you keep. Keeping both Vaaks and Lacomb allows for more flexibility in those pairings. Which I think spells the end if Lindstrom. Unless they go 8 D.

Your scenario doesn't have Luneau in the picture. Verbeek said at the Migration event that Luneau would be in the NHL picture. If Luneau is healthy, then Verbeek will put Luneau into the NHL b/c of the investment he put into Luneau this year and keeps in-line with the shortening the rebuild.

If we do sign a Roy or Pesce, then there's no need to keep Lindstrom.

I think Verbeek is running into danger here with rotating youths, even with adding a FA d-man for Lindstrom.

2023-24, D-man contracts lengths.png


We will only have two years left with Fowler and Gudas after this season. We have to replace these two defensemen. It took Vaak and Lindstrom to start showing up at age 25, but that just happened and it is not a long enough sample to be considered established NHL talent. Our best D prospects are the ones we've already seen at the NHL level in Minty, Zell, Luneau, and LaCombe. Yet those youths aren't NHL established yet.

Keeping all eight (keeping Lindstrom instead of a FA for this thought exercise) at the NHL level for a year is going to affect four young defensemen as they will be rotating into the lineup. It is possible to put Zell in the AHL next year to continue to develop his defense, but it feels doubtful. It is possible to put LaCombe into the AHL next year, but he cannot play more than a total of 70 NHL games to retain waiver exemption; currently, LaCombe has logged a total of 67 games (2 last year and 65 this year). Anaheim has six more games left to the season.

Verbeek could put Luneau into the AHL next season to relieve some of the clog, but it would put the rebuild behind with respect to Luneau's progression as well as identify the mismanagement of Luneau.

There will be some teams that will probably snatch up Vaak and Lindstrom if they are waived due to their improvement this season with the Ducks. Teams with a tight budget could snatch up one of these two with the added factor the contract is cheap like a Josh Mahura. (Though I like Vaak and Lindstrom better than Mahura.)

Another possibility that could occur would be moving on from one or both of Fowler and Gudas after next season, a year earlier than their contracted term.

TBH, there's just too many factors going on with the blueline right now that going after a FA d-man doesn't make sense. Then again, I've already sold myself to wait about five years when Verbeek reset the rebuild. We're only in year two of the reset.
 
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As far as the defense goes, I don’t anticipate Anaheim going into the season with Lags or Lindstrom. I anticipate Luneau being in the AHL if eligible- I know what Verbeek said, I just don’t see how a kid who missed a year breaks through and is better than Lacombe or Vaaks.

Minty xx
Fowler Lacombe/Vaaks
Zellwagon Gudas

i hope the guy we sign is Matt Roy.
 

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I'd bring back all three.

Leason is a decent bottom 6 player, who can PK decently and be pushed up the line up in a pinch as a big bodied forward.

Lindstrom seems a reliable 6/7 option guy, and certainly hasn't looked out of place at the NHL level also a big positive is he's a RH shot.

Vaaks I feel is underrated, he can easily be a 2nd pairing guy IMO, his development has been pretty interrupted but I can see him taking another step forward. This has been his first full NHL season and he's looked really solid overall on a horrid defense. I'm surprised there is so much talk of him not being a fit in our defence......it's not like we are flush with options. I certainly see others which are more likely to be the odd ones out.
The problem to me is can we bring both dmen back realistically

Fowler zellweger
Mintyukov gudas
Lacombe luneau

That’s the d without making a play for a guy like Roy or pesce…. I feel like if we don’t sign any dmen in off season then you can bring back 2 of Vaaks/leggesson or lidstrom…. But if you do sign a guy like Roy, I think 2 are gone

In that scenario I think lidstrom/leggesson make more sense as they bring a more physical game… sucks to lose Vaaks…. But I don’t really see a long term fit for him.

The other scenario but prob not popular is to trade fowler at draft and keep Vaaks
 
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