MiamiScreamingEagles
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They might get a conditional 1st rounder if Walker re-signs with the acquiring team
Didn't know that! thanks for the info.Not allowed anymore fwiw. Agree with the rest.
I think they get the 1st if they packaged Seeler with Walker. But this team has shown it doesn’t grasp the concept of re-signing these culture depth guys, who “love it here,” to the same deals in July, if they can’t live without them (which is its own discussion).
Then they can't say they're rebuilding anymore. They probably only have 3 picks in the first two rounds, right? I'm not sure if Columbus should be this terrible next season and the current front office will probably make the picks that they can.If they don't get a 1st...
I thought Ersson was the better bet at goaltender well before the news came out, Hart is more athletic, but Ersson is more fundamentally sound - Hart makes amazing saves but also gives up too many softies, Ersson is steady, and should improve with experience.
Now whether Ersson will end up a top 5 or more in the 6-10 area is a good question. I think he'll be above average, but how far above average?
They have their own #1, FLA's #1 provided it is 11-32 (if it's top 10, we get next year's pick), a compensatory 2nd round pick for not signing Jay O'Brien, and we will find out after the 1st round if we are getting Columbus's 2nd round pick this year or next year.Then they can't say they're rebuilding anymore. They probably only have 3 picks in the first two rounds, right? I'm not sure if Columbus should be this terrible next season and the current front office will probably make the picks that they can.
Where goalies are drafted is basically irrelevant, outside of a handful of first round picks.That's some pretty lofty expectations for a 5th rounder with 37 games of NHL experience.
Where goalies are drafted is basically irrelevant, outside of a handful of first round picks.
Shesterkin was a 4th rd pick, Hellebuyck 5th, Swayman 4th, Demko 2nd, Saros 4th, and so on.
Ersson, after a rough start, has played like a top ten goalie - but it may take a couple years for him to develop the stamina (mentally and physically) to maintain that pace over 50 games.
And the one things the Flyers do well historically is develop goalies.
I want as many picks as possible in the top 100, later round picks are lottery tickets, but top 100 picks have a real shot at starting, if you look at draft charts, a 2nd and 3rd have about the same value as a late 1st rd pick. So if you can't get more 1sts, stockpile 2nd and 3rd rd picks, who also have significant trade value (Colorado got Toews for (2) 2nd rd picks).I can't wait for everyone in the Charlie O'Connor sphere to take a rebuild victory lap after they trade Seeler for a third. Like what is the actual plan here? Do the Flyers really think the only thing between them and contention is more 3rd round picks?
Ersson had a horrid start due to sitting for weeks.I don't disagree with you on draft position for goalies.
I think Ersson can certainly play like a top 5-10 goalie in a given stretch of hockey, provided he has the right team around him. I would say most NHL starters are capable of having 10, 20, 30 game stretches of top level play.
Ersson had an awful early stretch, and an awful last 3-4 games. So he's had high level play for about 16-18 games playing as the #1A, surrounded by a team that blocks a ton of shots. His save percentage was .899 last year and is .898 this year.
Alex Lyon has a .922 save percentage in 21 games with Detroit. He had a .914 in 15 games with Florida last year. I wouldn't consider him a top 10 goalie in the NHL.
So is Ersson more like Shesterkin and Hellebuyck, or more like Alex Lyon?
I think we need a lot more than 37 career NHL games, and that was the only point I was making.
I don't disagree with you on draft position for goalies.
I think Ersson can certainly play like a top 5-10 goalie in a given stretch of hockey, provided he has the right team around him. I would say most NHL starters are capable of having 10, 20, 30 game stretches of top level play.
Ersson had an awful early stretch, and an awful last 3-4 games. So he's had high level play for about 16-18 games playing as the #1A, surrounded by a team that blocks a ton of shots. His save percentage was .899 last year and is .898 this year.
Alex Lyon has a .922 save percentage in 21 games with Detroit. He had a .914 in 15 games with Florida last year. I wouldn't consider him a top 10 goalie in the NHL.
So is Ersson more like Shesterkin and Hellebuyck, or more like Alex Lyon?
I think we need a lot more than 37 career NHL games, and that was the only point I was making.
That goes for every goalie, even established ones, or why Peterson is making $5M.Respectfully, you are arguing with the #1 defenseman of the Flyers.
Ersson has as much chance of being a flop as anyone. A lot easier to play with a safety net in Hart, and a lighter load.
See what happens to his confidence when Torts isn’t as infatuated as well.
They have to try to get a 1st somehow. Walker + Laughton or Hathaway would give a contender some good depth for a 1st and prospect or other picks. I'd trade Risto if anyone wanted him. Seeler and Staal should go too. I don't think Atkinson will garner interest. Basically, trade everyone they can, bring up some kids and let's see what we've got. #AccidentalOnPurposeTank2024Not allowed anymore fwiw. Agree with the rest.
I think they get the 1st if they packaged Seeler with Walker. But this team has shown it doesn’t grasp the concept of re-signing these culture depth guys, who “love it here,” to the same deals in July, if they can’t live without them (which is its own discussion).
Why would we move York? He's 22. You can move him in two years if you develop a better LHD.If Laughton and Walker are packaged, the Flyers would have to take on a dump. I'd look at trading them separately for 2nds.
Why aren't we talking about moving York? Guessing his trade value is a 1st+. He shouldn't be a core piece
If Laughton and Walker are packaged, the Flyers would have to take on a dump. I'd look at trading them separately for 2nds.
Why aren't we talking about moving York? Guessing his trade value is a 1st+. He shouldn't be a core piece
Ersson had a horrid start due to sitting for weeks.
But remove first 3 games, xGA/60: 2.25, GA/60: 1.99. That's pretty good.
I think it may take a year or two for Ersson to get used to a heavy workload.
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