Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion VII

[Gee Wally]

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Also carryover from previous thread:

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[Mr. Make-Believe]

Something we don’t talk about is the fourth line.

Beecher rocking 37 or 38% of shots, scoring chances and high danger chances on the ice. That’s…really bad. But you do want to give him a chance to grow into the role, right? Just seems like Lauko and Steen aren’t the right help.

Doesn’t Beecher start in his own zone like 90% of the time? Not sure what we’re to expect.

 

[wintersej]

Doesn’t Beecher start in his own zone like 90% of the time? Not sure what we’re to expect.

50% exactly. 144 d-zone, 123 neutral zone, and yeah he doesn’t get shit (21) in the o-zone. Of course, most shifts start on the fly.

 

[PB37]

50% exactly. 144 d-zone, 123 neutral zone, and yeah he doesn’t get shit (21) in the o-zone. Of course, most shifts start on the fly.

I think that's the most defensive starts on the team, percentage wise at least. When breaking it down to offensive/defensive zones, he's in the defensive zone 90 percent of the time. That's a lot for a rookie.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I think that's the most defensive starts on the team, percentage wise at least. When breaking it down to offensive/defensive zones, he's in the defensive zone 90 percent of the time. That's a lot for a rookie.

Defesnive zone starts for the 4th line has been a bruins staple for some time now.

Of course, that doesn't mean it s always the right thing to do, especially with the current 4th line.

 

[GordonHowe]

I think that's the most defensive starts on the team, percentage wise at least. When breaking it down to offensive/defensive zones, he's in the defensive zone 90 percent of the time. That's a lot for a rookie.

I like Beecher a lot. He's been the single constant on the fourth line, and he's solid. He's done everything that's been asked of him and has carved out a role for himself on this team. He may not have finish, but he does everything else well. Kudos to Sweeney in this instance.

 

[Hookslide]

I think that's the most defensive starts on the team, percentage wise at least. When breaking it down to offensive/defensive zones, he's in the defensive zone 90 percent of the time. That's a lot for a rookie.

I just read a comment from Jimmy Murphy, his comment was that if Bruins cannot land Lindholm, that they might be interested in Tyler Johnson, I am not someone who think the Bruins should go after Lindholm unless it is a absolute steal, but there is substantial difference in both players, and I have read so many posts about FO% from posters ,he is not a upgrade. This is why when you read my posts I am so critical of Boston media, we all as posters get ripped for posts from time to time and sometimes deserved, haha, but we are not suppose to be the professional's with the knowledge, or inside information, and I am not just talking about the hockey guys, and the radio so called experts being the worse/

 

[bbfan419]

I just read a comment from Jimmy Murphy, his comment was that if Bruins cannot land Lindholm, that they might be interested in Tyler Johnson, I am not someone who think the Bruins should go after Lindholm unless it is a absolute steal, but there is substantial difference in both players, and I have read so many posts about FO% from posters ,he is not a upgrade. This is why when you read my posts I am so critical of Boston media, we all as posters get ripped for posts from time to time and sometimes deserved, haha, but we are not suppose to be the professional's with the knowledge, or inside information, and I am not just talking about the hockey guys, and the radio so called experts being the worse/

No thanks, rather just go with what we got than trade for Johnson.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Someone asked about 4th line w/ specific D. Here are Beecher's 5 on 5 minutes w/ individual D

Carlo 102:57
Lindholm 85:25
Forbort 71:49
Shattenkirk 67:55
McAvoy 53:52
Gryz 49:13
Mitchell 40:51
Wotherspoon 18:10

Makes sense that his top 3 are Carlo, Lindholm and Forbort as they lead the D in DZ Starts/60.

 

[NeelyDan]

I like Beecher a lot. He's been the single constant on the fourth line, and he's solid. He's done everything that's been asked of him and has carved out a role for himself on this team. He may not have finish, but he does everything else well. Kudos to Sweeney in this instance.

Yep. Agree. And he plays with jam. He's set to be one of those lunch pail type Bruins.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

50% exactly. 144 d-zone, 123 neutral zone, and yeah he doesn’t get shit (21) in the o-zone. Of course, most shifts start on the fly.

I just think that considering that, I’m not sure CORSI is the best measurement of his effectiveness.

I’m far from happy with every player on the team, but of those players, Beecher pretty low down my shit list. He’s been good in his role.

 

[GordonHowe]

I just read a comment from Jimmy Murphy, his comment was that if Bruins cannot land Lindholm, that they might be interested in Tyler Johnson, I am not someone who think the Bruins should go after Lindholm unless it is a absolute steal, but there is substantial difference in both players, and I have read so many posts about FO% from posters ,he is not a upgrade. This is why when you read my posts I am so critical of Boston media, we all as posters get ripped for posts from time to time and sometimes deserved, haha, but we are not suppose to be the professional's with the knowledge, or inside information, and I am not just talking about the hockey guys, and the radio so called experts being the worse/

I check Boston Hockey Now with a large grain of salt per anything Murphy writes.

I don't always agree, and he often seems stuck in the past, but Mick Colageo has joined the site and knows his stuff. Always a worthy read.

BTW, no way on Tyler Johnson. Murphy throwing poop at the wall, and then admitting at article's end that it won't stick.

 

[jgatie]

I just read a comment from Jimmy Murphy, his comment was that if Bruins cannot land Lindholm, that they might be interested in Tyler Johnson, I am not someone who think the Bruins should go after Lindholm unless it is a absolute steal, but there is substantial difference in both players, and I have read so many posts about FO% from posters ,he is not a upgrade. This is why when you read my posts I am so critical of Boston media, we all as posters get ripped for posts from time to time and sometimes deserved, haha, but we are not suppose to be the professional's with the knowledge, or inside information, and I am not just talking about the hockey guys, and the radio so called experts being the worse/

I stopped reading after "Jimmy Murphy". Around here, Thin Skins has about as much legitimacy as a three dollar bill.

 

[Absurdity]

I just read a comment from Jimmy Murphy, his comment was that if Bruins cannot land Lindholm, that they might be interested in Tyler Johnson, I am not someone who think the Bruins should go after Lindholm unless it is a absolute steal, but there is substantial difference in both players, and I have read so many posts about FO% from posters ,he is not a upgrade. This is why when you read my posts I am so critical of Boston media, we all as posters get ripped for posts from time to time and sometimes deserved, haha, but we are not suppose to be the professional's with the knowledge, or inside information, and I am not just talking about the hockey guys, and the radio so called experts being the worse/

In my opinion, if the Bruins are going to trade what little assets they have left for a center, they need to use them on a center that moves the needle. I don't think Lindholm or Johnson do. Poitras will come back, Merkulov looks good, and unless someone around or below the caliber of a Draisaitl is available, I think the Bruins should look at adding a scoring winger and defenseman instead.

 

[PB37]

I just think that considering that, I’m not sure CORSI is the best measurement of his effectiveness.

I’m far from happy with every player on the team, but of those players, Beecher pretty low down my shit list. He’s been good in his role.

Most 4th liners around the league have poor CORSI stats. I think we can all agree that Nosek was awesome for his role last year and he rocked a 37.9 CF and they buried him in the defensive zone at the same rate as Beecher ( 90 percent DZ starts ). I don't think there's much more you can ask for Beecher but I get the pushing Monty does to him to keep Beecher on his toes.

 

[bme44]

I like Beecher a lot. He's been the single constant on the fourth line, and he's solid. He's done everything that's been asked of him and has carved out a role for himself on this team. He may not have finish, but he does everything else well. Kudos to Sweeney in this instance.

A fourth line on any team is not expected to carry the team. The fourth line should bring some energy to the team. Beecher is not a player I would call an energy player in any way. I see Beecher and our fourth line as whole very vanilla . I hope it can improve going forward . I have seen nothing from Beecher that makes him special. In fact if I was to describe his game I would call it underwhelming .

 

[shelbysdad]

A fourth line on any team is not expected to carry the team. The fourth line should bring some energy to the team. Beecher is not a player I would call an energy player in any way. I see Beecher and our fourth line as whole very vanilla . I hope it can improve going forward . I have seen nothing from Beecher that makes him special. In fact if I was to describe his game I would call it underwhelming .

My thoughts on Steen

 

[Hookslide]

A fourth line on any team is not expected to carry the team. The fourth line should bring some energy to the team. Beecher is not a player I would call an energy player in any way. I see Beecher and our fourth line as whole very vanilla . I hope it can improve going forward . I have seen nothing from Beecher that makes him special. In fact if I was to describe his game I would call it underwhelming .

I am watching to see how many likes you get on that comment. I have a opinion but I do not want to sway anyone's opinion, not that I am capable of that.

 

[CellyHard]

In my opinion, if the Bruins are going to trade what little assets they have left for a center, they need to use them on a center that moves the needle. I don't think Lindholm or Johnson do. Poitras will come back, Merkulov looks good, and unless someone around or below the caliber of a Draisaitl is available, I think the Bruins should look at adding a scoring winger and defenseman instead.

I have to be honest, centers around or even slightly below the caliber of Draisaitl rarely become available. It would be foolish to just wait around for that type of player. I mean the closest center to that caliber that has been moved in recent memory was Jack Eichel? Next up is probably Bo Horvat and then Ryan O'Reilly...

John Tavares in free agency was also a super rare chance.

J.T Miller and Zibanejad were moved before their ceilings were reached.

Unless I am missing someone, Elias Lindholm is one of the most established top line centers that has become available in some time. It is unbelievably difficult to find someone better. Bruins have a massive hole since Bergeron left and I would highly consider moving out roster players such as JD, Gryz, Ullmark if he was willing to sign a long term extension here

 

[bme44]

I am watching to see how many likes you get on that comment. I have a opinion but I do not want to sway anyone's opinion, not that I am capable of that.

I hope you share your opinion with me at some point

 

[dugg133]

Anyone know how reputable Renaud Lavoie is as a reporter? Like is his report that the reason Hanifin's market has slowed is cause everyone knows he wants to be a bruins worth taking seriously, or is Lavoie like a French language Jimmy Murphy?

 

[jgatie]

Anyone know how reputable Renaud Lavoie is as a reporter? Like is his report that the reason Hanifin's market has slowed is cause everyone knows he wants to be a bruins worth taking seriously, or is Lavoie like a French language Jimmy Murphy?

Renaud "Peaux Fines" Lavoie.

 

[bearcountry17]

Beecher is one of the most buried players in the league. Only Washington’s 4th line gets a higher percentage of dzone starts. He’s playing under 11 minutes a night yet is top 30 in defensive zone faceoff wins(Coyle is 3rd BTW).

 

[wintersej]

I just think that considering that, I’m not sure CORSI is the best measurement of his effectiveness.

I’m far from happy with every player on the team, but of those players, Beecher pretty low down my shit list. He’s been good in his role.

Oh yeah, I just think that he probably could use some vet help on the fourth line.

 

[RoccoF14]

I just think that considering that, I’m not sure CORSI is the best measurement of his effectiveness.

I’m far from happy with every player on the team, but of those players, Beecher pretty low down my shit list. He’s been good in his role.

On the whole, all of our Centers have been decent. Better than what I've expected. Its our wing play (other than Marchand & Pastrnak) that's been poor. We need more from them. Freddy and Heinen aren't shooting enough and DeBrusk couldn't hit the floor falling out of bed this season. Too many passengers playing wing, hoping #88 & #63 carry the offense.

I was worried about scoring depth up front at the start of the season and the cracks are starting to show.