Boston Bruins 2023-24 Roster and Salary Cap Discussion IX

[bob77]

We need to trade/demote Gryz and Forbort asap! Having to call up the likes of Richard over Merk, Lysell, Beecher is straight up dumb!

It could be one of those cap space moves that figures into the LTIR calculations. Im not expert on that, but I've seen and heard that before.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Richard started off the season super cold, to the point where I was questioning how he'd lost it so completely over the off-season, prior to signing with the Bruins.

The last couple months, he's gone off to the point where he has chance of approaching his totals at Laval last season. Well, probably not, now that he's moving to Boston.

Great speed and he's a proven scorer in the AHL in my opinion.

If anyone wants to say the Bruins today can't use some extra speed in the lineup, I'd love to hear the argument.

 

[Gee Wally]

Damn.

I didn't realize we were up against the cap like that.

as of now only 87K.

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[TobanWest]

as of now only 87K.

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Wouldn't trading Gryz + pick/prospect and freeing up just under 4 million help especially when he's easily replaceable

 

[Gee Wally]

Wouldn't trading Gryz + pick/prospect and freeing up just under 4 million help especially when he's easily replaceable

help? Financially sure. But where? For what? Who has space that would be interested?

 

[Sheppy]

Any cheap centers out there? Tyler Johnson?

5'8, 180 and kind of shitty? Sure.

.... they.... need... size.... and.... physicality.....

 

[TobanWest]

help? Financially sure. But where? For what? Who has space that would be interested?

Agreed, not sure if there is any interest. If no team is interested even with sweetening the pot then that speaks volumes. Shouldn't be in the top 6 let alone the top pairing. My opinion.

 

[Number8]

Bottom 5 payroll, top 5 ticket prices.

Absolutely. I had major issues with Jacobs/Sinden in the past. But that’s ancient history. I have no issues with the spend for years post cap. None at all. Fair is fair.

As far as the ice goes, I don’t know what to say. Can’t believe I’m saying this but the “new Garden” is an old building right now. Of course with all the money spent on the surrounding infrastructure not sure much will change. I do wish the ice was better thats for sure though.

 

[Number8]

as of now only 87K.

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I will take a hometown discount.

I promise I will play physically and with snarl. Definitely no worries there.

However, full disclosure my legs aren’t what they once were — and even then I was not especially speedy.

But if you guys are up for some very, emphasis on very, late hits though……..? I am your man. My explanation for inevitable DOPS hearings will be an honest “I got there as soon as I possibly could”.

Again though. Can’t emphasize more that I come cheap. A game jersey with my name on it will probably do the trick.

I’m a giver, what can I say.

 

[GordonHowe]

Absolutely. I had major issues with Jacobs/Sinden in the past. But that’s ancient history. I have no issues with the spend for years post cap. None at all. Fair is fair.

As far as the ice goes, I don’t know what to say. Can’t believe I’m saying this but the “new Garden” is an old building right now. Of course with all the money spent on the surrounding infrastructure not sure much will change. I do wish the ice was better thats for sure though.

It's crazy that we're still talking about poor ice at the Garden.

I guess it's been an issue for years, and I can't imagine the players are pleased about it.

 

[Bruins4Lifer]

The discussion on pre-lockout/pre-cap spending got me curious, and I found this page:
List of team payrolls in the NHL - Wikipedia

The Bruins were around or slightly below the league-wide average in the 6 seasons pre-cap. Looking at the top 8 spending teams from that period (Rangers, Flyers, Capitals, Wings, Leafs, Avs, Stars and Blues) they were way behind, spending 35% to 70% less on average each season.

Year	Bruins Payroll	League average Payroll	Top 8 average Payroll
1998–99	$22,800,000​	$29,730,833​	$36,800,000​
1999–2000	$24,500,000​	$31,564,167​	$41,475,000​
2000–01	$31,875,576​	$33,375,943​	$48,005,028​
2001–02	$41,862,500​	$38,011,852​	$56,558,720​
2002–03	$44,050,000​	$41,939,715​	$65,963,035​
2003–04	$46,569,000​	$44,400,490​	$66,188,788​

Jacobs really did deserve all the criticism for being a cheap ****.

 

[KrugAvoy]

Richard was pretty solid for us in pre season if I recall and has speed. Much better than calling up Brown

 

[GordonHowe]

I'm gutted for Poitras. But that certainly solved one tough roster decision for Sweeney.



What do you base this on? Like beyond how you feel, what's your evidence?

Jacobs spent so much last year we had to push money into this year. I'm not sure a guy can spend more, lol.

Jacobs HAS spent since the lockout. I don't believe he cares about winning, but that's largely irrelevant.

My beef is with Sweeney and his roster construction. You can call it a feeling, and it is, but the playoff record speaks for itself. "Getting pushed around," especially in the playoffs, has plainly been a problem that has gone unaddressed for years. And imho, it has cost the Bruins more than one series, and arguably two Cups.

IF you read the beat writers and analysts who cover the Bruins, or check their podcasts, they all say the same thing.

I'm not on an island here.

 

[NeelyDan]

I will take a hometown discount.

I promise I will play physically and with snarl. Definitely no worries there.

However, full disclosure my legs aren’t what they once were — and even then I was not especially speedy.

But if you guys are up for some very, emphasis on very, late hits though……..? I am your man. My explanation for inevitable DOPS hearings will be an honest “I got there as soon as I possibly could”.

Again though. Can’t emphasize more that I come cheap. A game jersey with my name on it will probably do the trick.

I’m a giver, what can I say.

Dude the world needs more of you

 

[DKH]

5'8, 180 and kind of shitty? Sure.

.... they.... need... size.... and.... physicality.....

Beecher & Lohrei for playoffs

Pick up Liam OBrien he makes likes 750 K

OBrien - Beecher - Lauko

4th line

Jacobs HAS spent since the lockout. I don't believe he cares about winning, but that's largely irrelevant.

My beef is with Sweeney and his roster construction. You can call it a feeling, and it is, but the playoff record speaks for itself. "Getting pushed around," especially in the playoffs, has plainly been a problem that has gone unaddressed for years. And imho, it has cost the Bruins more than one series, and arguably two Cups.

IF you read the beat writers and analysts who cover the Bruins, or check their podcasts, they all say the same thing.

I'm not on an island here.

No they don’t - I know many of these guys atleast the ones over 25

Come on dude you gotta get out of the 70’s

 

[DKH]

Richard was pretty solid for us in pre season if I recall and has speed. Much better than calling up Brown

Elite speed

 

[Carl Hungus]

I thought I saw something about Lohrei limping off the ice a few days ago, assuming he's fine?

 

[wintersej]

Boqvist and Richard certainly provide a lot of speed together. Not sure to what end, but they will be fast. I'd have Richard in over Steen.

 

[NeelyDan]

Fastest guy on my team hasn’t scored yet this year, I’ve seen better hands on a snake

 

[MillerTime29Bombs]

Is the fourth line Boquist/Heunen and Richard? Bruins running a Charmin commercial during the game?

 

[dafoomie]

Absolutely. I had major issues with Jacobs/Sinden in the past. But that’s ancient history. I have no issues with the spend for years post cap. None at all. Fair is fair.

As far as the ice goes, I don’t know what to say. Can’t believe I’m saying this but the “new Garden” is an old building right now. Of course with all the money spent on the surrounding infrastructure not sure much will change. I do wish the ice was better thats for sure though.

They learned their lesson after the lockout when all the STH's left, can not complain. They're cheap in other ways, like with the building.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Agreed, not sure if there is any interest. If no team is interested even with sweetening the pot then that speaks volumes. Shouldn't be in the top 6 let alone the top pairing. My opinion.

I seriously doubt Sweeney is offering Grzelyck+ for anyone to just take him off our hands.

 

[TobanWest]

I seriously doubt Sweeney is offering Grzelyck+ for anyone to just take him off our hands.

I doubt it too but cap space is at a premium and Gryz is replaceable. Has to at least crossed his mind

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Bottom 5 payroll, top 5 ticket prices.

When was that?

 

[goldnblack]

Yes. I realize Jacobs spends to the cap, and has since he got his hard cap.

I appreciate that -- I do -- but when I say he doesn't care about winning, I'm saying he cares about it only to the degree that the Bruins turn a handsome profit. I don't like him. Never have, never will.

I like Charlie, though, and I believe he cares about winning. He went to BC. He knows what people think of his father.

There is, of course, no easy or simple recipe for winning a Stanley Cup, not least because hockey is a game of mistakes, and almost every season in the playoffs, a team or two comes out of nowhere to beat a favored opponent. Round One against FLA springs to mind.

A necessary, critical and proven element of success in the playoffs and advancing to the finals is "team toughness." Wearing down the other club with a relentless forecheck, finishing checks, and creating anxiety going into the corners works.

You see that every year, too. It's no coincidence.

Ask the 2019 Bruins.

You may not value physical play. You may think a heavy game and physical intimidation are passe. You may not care if teammates play for one another and step up for each other. You may believe instilling an "All for one, one for all" attitude and culture is silly and naive.

That's your prerogative.

Those qualities matter a great deal to me. They are why I love the game as much as I do.

All credit to Sweeney for assembling a deep roster last season and then adding to it with excellent additions before the deadline. It didn't work out for several reasons.

Consistent excellence in the regular season over many years is commendable, and Boston's regular season record has been the envy of many.

But I am not talking about the regular season, and I'm not talking about other clubs. I'm talking about playoff results over Don Sweeney's nearly ten-year tenure as General Manager of the Boston Bruins. It is entirely legitimate to question those results, and the manner in which the Bruins have repeatedly failed to advance beyond the first or second round.

Much of the problem, in my view, can be traced to teams constructed for regular season success and ill prepared to confront the physical demands of playoff hockey. You know, when it matters most.

I'm sure none of this will change anyone's mind. Ultimately, the above is simply an opinion.

We can agree to disagree, respectfully.

I respectfully disagree. But also disrespectfully call out some horse poop when I see it, lol.

The owner doesn't care...and what, has a sinister plot to have the GM and President put teams on the ice that aren't tough? lol The owner hired the biggest tough guy hot head in Neely, who was OBSESSED with drafting tough over skill. To the point that we kept busting picks.


When we started drafting skill we finally got good again. Not sure you noticed.

But regardless of that, this is not OWNER stuff. The owner pays Neely and Sweeney to go do their best to put a winning squad on the ice. And those 2 obsess over that to a degree where honestly sometimes I fear for the strength of their hearts.

Honestly your world is a bizarro world where you've invented a story man. Thats it. There's no second shooter on the grassy knoll. Winning sells more for everything, and makes franchises more valuable. Every owner spending to the cap WANTS to win. It makes you more money.