2023-24 Jack Adams Award finalists: Rick Bowness, Andrew Brunette, Rick Tocchet

[kevsh]

outrageous Carbery is not in the discussion

That tweet is silly, how is "one of the worst goal differentials of any playoff team" a selling point for a coach?

In any case, think Tocchet takes this pretty easily.

 

[amnesiac]

No, he really doesn’t.

he'd win if he didnt last year.... difference is they lost their 2 top centres, and still managed to be a top team in the league

On paper VAN and WPG is better than BOS

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Bowness? That's embarrassing. Horrible coach.

 

[amnesiac]

I guess youre clueless about how the awards work.... Theyve acutally already been voted on.

Should maybe inform yourself about these things before posting and making yourself look stupid.

 

[Three On Zero]

he'd win if he didnt last year.... difference is they lost their 2 top centres, and still managed to be a top team in the league

On paper VAN and WPG is better than BOS

No, he wouldn’t.

 

[amnesiac]

No, he wouldn’t.

great arguments.... you mustve been on the debate team.

 

[Section337]

Good list. Think Tocchet should get it.

p.s. with its memish legacy, why would anyone argue or want their coach to win this award?

 

[Aurinko]

Brunette has to win it at some point. Multiple seasons like this has been added bonus. Bowness has same going for him.

That being said, all three have well deserved it.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

There must be a typo.

Where is John Tortorella? You'll have to fight him if you don't nominate him.

 

[CanadienShark]

Darn, I was hoping Hakstol just for the awkwardness of it.

 

[TheNumber4]

Bowness has been invalidated. Once again his regular season system shows its warts in the playoffs.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I can't see anyone having a bigger case than Tocchet

Telling his team to shoot 30% for half a season was a tactical masterclass of coaching.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Since Kris Knoblauch (Oilers) was hired, the Oilers are 1st place in the NHL. They were 31st before he took over.

I find this award to often be 'most impressive' moreso than 'best' - and this is the most impressive achevement by a coach this year IMO. That said, I'd still have Tocchet (VAN) as #1 on my ballot. I just find it odd that Knoblauch didn't finish top-3, that's all.

 

[Rowlet]

I think Tocchet will win too, but I'd argue he has more top pieces which makes it easier on a coach.

I'd give it to Brunnette.

The Canucks have had those pieces for 5 years but had never even made a traditional playoffs with them.

Sure, the Canucks have more skill guys, but Tocchet made them a team.

 

[Osprey]

This nomination now has Brunette worried about his job.



(credit to Predsanddead24 for the link)

 

[pantherbot]

Poor Paul Maurice...what's the guy got to do to get recognized? Look at all the players on Panthers that have stepped up. They have completely bought into his system and have been playing a great team game. A lot of their success has been directly from his coaching.

 

[Predsanddead24]

Posted this on the Preds board and thought it was pretty wild so thought I'd share here to build off of Bruno's comment.

It's actually kind of wild how many Jack Adams finalists get fired within two years of their nomination.

2023 Finalists:
Montgomery-Still employed
Hakstol- Fired 2024
Ruff- Fired 2024

2022 Finalists:
Sutter- Fired 2023
Brunette - Fired 2022
Gallant- Fired 2023

2021 Finalists:
Brind'Amour- Still Employed
Dean Evason - Fired 2023
Quenneville - Fired 2022 (albeit for non-performance related reasons)

2020 Finalists:
Bruce Cassidy - Fired 2022 (albeit won a Cup with Vegas)
Vigneault - Fired 2021
Tortorella - Fired 2021

Didn't feel like going back further but that's 10/12 head coaches fired shortly thereafter. Which I suppose makes sense since a lot of times it is more of a coach of the team that overperformed most award and when the team regresses they get fired.

 

[Rowlet]

Posted this on the Preds board and thought it was pretty wild so thought I'd share here to build off of Bruno's comment.

It's actually kind of wild how many Jack Adams finalists get fired within two years of their nomination.

2023 Finalists:
Montgomery-Still employed
Hakstol- Fired 2024
Ruff- Fired 2024

2022 Finalists:
Sutter- Fired 2023
Brunette - Fired 2022
Gallant- Fired 2023

2021 Finalists:
Brind'Amour- Still Employed
Dean Evason - Fired 2023
Quenneville - Fired 2022 (albeit for non-performance related reasons)

2020 Finalists:
Bruce Cassidy - Fired 2022 (albeit won a Cup with Vegas)
Vigneault - Fired 2021
Tortorella - Fired 2021

Didn't feel like going back further but that's 10/12 head coaches fired shortly thereafter. Which I suppose makes sense since a lot of times it is more of a coach of the team that overperformed most award and when the team regresses they get fired.

This is kind of a survivorship bias issue, the coaches who get nominated have improved bad teams, if those teams regress they get fired, similarly the long term coaches of good teams don't get nominated as often as they should, but they're the ones who have job security.

 

[LTIR]

Since Kris Knoblauch (Oilers) was hired, the Oilers are 1st place in the NHL. They were 31st before he took over.

I find this award to often be 'most impressive' moreso than 'best' - and this is the most impressive achevement by a coach this year IMO. That said, I'd still have Tocchet (VAN) as #1 on my ballot. I just find it odd that Knoblauch didn't finish top-3, that's all.

Knob is 50-19-5 since joining a pathetic Oilers team. IN my Homer opinion he is the best coach in NHL and will prove it in round 2 when he goes against one of the 2 supposed finalists.

Tocchet is not a sure fire where coaches of DAL, NYR, CAR and FLA have been just as impressive.

 

[McShogun99]

This nomination now has Brunette worried about his job.



(credit to Predsanddead24 for the link)

Has there ever been a year where all 3 nominess were fired the following season?

 

[GrkFlyersFan]

There must be a typo.

Where is John Tortorella? You'll have to fight him if you don't nominate him.

If we made it, he should've. I can't believe Carbery's not up for it, he dragged a bad team in, too.

 

[IamNotADancer]

Just a reminder that Rick Tocchet used to be considered one of the worst coaches in the league.

Hockey is so reactionary.

Yesterday's garbage is today's treasure and vice versa.

Rick Tocchet sucks

I don't understand this guy anymore. Niklas Hjalmarsson in the shootout? What's going on with him? What is he thinking? What the hell, Sticky Rick?

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Coaches are only as good as the players they can work with.

 

[Hockeyholic]

Montgomery deserved to be a finalist

109 pts with Zacha and Coyle as your 1-2 centres

Would be awkward to see him accept the award after being fired. Assuming they lost tomorrow. Because 100% he is gone if they lose.

Shades of Ted Nolan & Casey in NBA.

Nonetheless, the award is ream who went from meh/bad to good. They got it right.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Poor Paul Maurice...what's the guy got to do to get recognized? Look at all the players on Panthers that have stepped up. They have completely bought into his system and have been playing a great team game. A lot of their success has been directly from his coaching.

I'm sure if the Panthers win the cup, he won't give a damn about any Jack Adams award.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Telling his team to shoot 30% for half a season was a tactical masterclass of coaching.