Speculation: 2023-24 Free Agency/Trade Thread II

[CrazyDuck4u]

If you are making so much money that taxes make a big difference, you can afford to hire an accountant who can get you out of paying them.

See.. like the way you think outside the box

 

[Deuce22]

If you are making so much money that taxes make a big difference, you can afford to hire an accountant who can get you out of paying them.

Or you can save the money you're paying the accountant and sign somewhere where you are taxed less.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Or you can save the money you're paying the accountant and sign somewhere where you are taxed less.

Or sign somewhere else with no/lower taxes AND sign the accountant to reduce the taxes you still pay in states/provinces where you pay a jock tax.

Not that accountants simply magically make all your taxes go away, but that’s a different discussion.

 

[Deuce22]

Or sign somewhere else with no/lower taxes AND sign the accountant to reduce the taxes you still pay in states/provinces where you pay a jock tax.

Not that accountants simply magically make all your taxes go away, but that’s a different discussion.

Asserting that CA state income taxes are not a factor is just as silly as saying no FA will sign with Ducks because of said taxes. Extreme positions on both sides need to be avoided.

 

[Gliff]

Or sign somewhere else with no/lower taxes AND sign the accountant to reduce the taxes you still pay in states/provinces where you pay a jock tax.

Not that accountants simply magically make all your taxes go away, but that’s a different discussion.

This lol.
Anyone who thinks this has a fundamental misunderstanding about how the 1%ers handle taxes/tax write offs.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Asserting that CA state income taxes are not a factor is just as silly as saying no FA will sign with Ducks because of said taxes. Extreme positions on both sides need to be avoided.

I do think it’s fair to say that the less a player makes, the more state taxes matter to that player though.

 

[Rybread86]

So according to Marek, the Leafs only have 2 untouchables and really, they are the only 2 I would be interested in. Matthews and Nylander.

Id also be interested in Bertuzzi and Domi but they are UFAs so not really something to deal for, just possible UFA adds.

Would/Should we have any interest in anyone else?

 

[Static]

I have a ton of interest in marner.

 

[Rybread86]

I have a ton of interest in marner.

I just wasnt impressed by his playoffs at all. He strikes me as one of those regular season only types who kinda folds in the post season.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I don't want all of our young guys using Marner's next contract as a way to create a Toronto cap situation here. No thanks on Mitchie.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I just wasnt impressed by his playoffs at all. He strikes me as one of those regular season only types who kinda folds in the post season.

Its funny cause his playoff stats are actually solid, on a team that doesnt really ever have good dmen/good depth around them.

57 games
11 goals
39 assists
50 points
+10

If i was to have interest in him, it would be with a reasonable extension. But i dont see him taking a pay cut on an extention leaving torotno, when plenty teams are going to pay him 11.5+

 

[Gliff]

I would love Marner if we desperately needed future top line forwards.

I would much rather pay 10 mil to an actual top pairing defensemen.

 

[Smirnov2Chistov]

I mean, nobody comes close to Marner currently on our team. He would be an immediate upgrade over every offensive weapon we have.

Bertuzzi and Domi would also be great adds. Just makes the team so much more competitive

 

[Static]

I just wasnt impressed by his playoffs at all. He strikes me as one of those regular season only types who kinda folds in the post season.

Man get me to the playoffs and it's all gravy.

 

[Rybread86]

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Man get me to the playoffs and it's all gravy.

Fair point

Its funny cause his playoff stats are actually solid, on a team that doesnt really ever have good dmen/good depth around them.

57 games
11 goals
39 assists
50 points
+10

If i was to have interest in him, it would be with a reasonable extension. But i dont see him taking a pay cut on an extention leaving torotno, when plenty teams are going to pay him 11.5+

His total playoff record, I agree. I just didnt like what I saw from him this playoff run. But lets say this year was a fluke, could be, ya the contract situation becomes a concern but any big name player is going to fit that mold too.

 

[Arthuros]

Its funny cause his playoff stats are actually solid, on a team that doesnt really ever have good dmen/good depth around them.

57 games
11 goals
39 assists
50 points
+10

If i was to have interest in him, it would be with a reasonable extension. But i dont see him taking a pay cut on an extention leaving torotno, when plenty teams are going to pay him 11.5+

So much of that was earlier in his career when the pressure hadn't sunk in yet.

In the 5 games against Florida, he had 3 points. In the 7 games against Boston, he's had 3 points.

 

[goonsaredumb]

Its funny cause his playoff stats are actually solid, on a team that doesnt really ever have good dmen/good depth around them.

57 games
11 goals
39 assists
50 points
+10

If i was to have interest in him, it would be with a reasonable extension. But i dont see him taking a pay cut on an extention leaving torotno, when plenty teams are going to pay him 11.5+

From what I've heard from Leafs fans he picks up most of his playoff points in less meaningful scenarios like when the Leafs are already blowing out the other team/being blown out and kind of disappears when the Leafs actually need him to put up points.

Of course this is Leafs fans, they seem to have a special hate-boner for ol' Mitch Marner, personally I'd love to have him on our team, he's a great two-way player and it seems like every scapegoat that comes out of Toronto goes on to do great things

 

[Firequacker]

I have a hard time seeing Mitch "we're treated like gods" Marner being willing to play long term in Anaheim, and I say that as someone who thinks that quote has been a bit overblown. And while it's fair to say that you're gonna have to pay any player on that level, there's also levels of risk. Like people often point out in this thread, you don't know what any individual player wants... but Marner's history makes him look very likely to be the guy to play the "you gave Killorn 6.25, you can give me 12" card. We definitely don't need that. And nothing I've seen from his behavior under pressure makes me think he'd handle, say... Cronin putting him on the Zegras standard (which, if he comes here you have to believe he'd be expected to provide leadership) especially well.

Maybe he leaves the pressure cooker and thrives, for sure, but it just feels like an especially risky fit to have to trade big assets for. If it goes well Verbeek is a genius, if it goes badly we're the Kings.

 

[KickHisAssZegrass]

I have a hard time seeing Verbeek giving much to add another small softish player like Marner to this current squad, especially one that makes 10 mill a year.

But if you think Gibson's no longer the guy? Gibby's owed almost 20 million, Marner is only owed next years 10 mill. I'd attach something pretty decent to make that happen.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

So much of that was earlier in his career when the pressure hadn't sunk in yet.

In the 5 games against Florida, he had 3 points. In the 7 games against Boston, he's had 3 points.

I mean if he came to anaheim there wouldnt be much pressure

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

I mean if he came to anaheim there wouldnt be much pressure

You don't think Dirk would be all over him for being soft?

 

[Dryish]

Marner at over 8.5M a year is an overpay in terms of what he could bring to this roster. Let's not make the same mistakes Toronto made, with the exact same player to boot.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Rather get someone who plays the fine line between skilled and dirty. Plays tough hockey not finesse hockey.. who stirs up the pot infront of goalies

Basically vintage worm

 

[robbieboy3686]

Rather get someone who plays the fine line between skilled and dirty. Plays tough hockey not finesse hockey.. who stirs up the pot infront of goalies

Basically vintage worm

This x1000

 

[Dirk316]

Getting Brady Tkachuk would instantly make this team a contender. I'd give up Carlsson but I'm guessing would take more but reasonable to think Anaheim does have the pieces unlike most teams