Prospect Info: 2023-24 Ducks Prospects

[Hockey Duckie]

Brendan Tracey?

Could have been worse. Terry was mistaken for Steel at the All-Star festivities.

 

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[Hockey Duckie]

Weirdest thing I stumbled upon, both Perreault and Tracey grew an inch since their draft year.

Perreault
THW scouting report, 2020: 5'11 and 198 lbs
AHL and EP player page, 2022-23: 6'0 and 196 lbs

Tracey
THW scouting report, 2019: 6'0 and 176 lbs
AHL and EP player page, 2022-23: 6'1 and 186/185 lbs

Perreault is on his second year of his 3-year ELC. Tracey is on his last year of his 3-year ELC. Two seasons ago, both were rewarded with a call-up to the NHL for a game. Last year, both took a step back. I do wonder if that's due to a terrible roster construction by PV.

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San Diego​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
Season​	Player​	Games​	G​	A​	Pts​	PPG​	​	Plus/Minus​	Team Scoring rannk​
2020-21​	Perreault​	27​	3​	14​	17​	0.63​	​	-11​	11th​
​	Tracey​	12​	0​	0​	0​	0.00​	​	-2​	T-32nd​
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2021-22​	Perreault​	55​	14​	23​	37​	0.67​	​	-6​	4th​
​	Tracey​	55​	11​	20​	31​	0.56​	​	-1​	7th​
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2022-23​	Perreault​	48​	8​	11​	19​	0.40​	​	-16​	9th​
​	Tracey​	62​	10​	18​	28​	0.45​	​	-17​	6th​

Perreault was injured more often than Tracey last year. Despite the step back in production, their relative team scoring ranking wasn't too far off from the previous year. That could imply that the team construction sucked, especially when you notice how everyone on the team were in negative double digit +/- ratings.

Adding a top line center in Aggozino and LD Trevor Carrick back to the org are a good first step to help shelter the youths. The prospect additions C Gaucher, LD Minty, LD Zell, and LD Hinds should be another boost in team talent. One of our prospect LD's might have to play RD (Zell or Hinds). Hopefully, with improved talent on the team, both Perreault and Tracey can get back on track. Tracey turned 22 years old in late May and Perreault turned 21 years old in mid-April. Might be too soon to give up on both.

 

[cheesymc]

Weirdest thing I stumbled upon, both Perreault and Tracey grew an inch since their draft year.

Perreault
THW scouting report, 2020: 5'11 and 198 lbs
AHL and EP player page, 2022-23: 6'0 and 196 lbs

Tracey
THW scouting report, 2019: 6'0 and 176 lbs
AHL and EP player page, 2022-23: 6'1 and 186/185 lbs

Perreault is on his second year of his 3-year ELC. Tracey is on his last year of his 3-year ELC. Two seasons ago, both were rewarded with a call-up to the NHL for a game. Last year, both took a step back. I do wonder if that's due to a terrible roster construction by PV.

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San Diego​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​	​
Season​	Player​	Games​	G​	A​	Pts​	PPG​	​	Plus/Minus​	Team Scoring rannk​
2020-21​	Perreault​	​ 27​	​ 3​	​ 14​	​ 17​	​ 0.63​	​	​ -11​	11th​
​	Tracey​	​ 12​	​ 0​	​ 0​	​ 0​	​ 0.00​	​	​ -2​	T-32nd​
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2021-22​	Perreault​	​ 55​	​ 14​	​ 23​	​ 37​	​ 0.67​	​	​ -6​	4th​
​	Tracey​	​ 55​	​ 11​	​ 20​	​ 31​	​ 0.56​	​	​ -1​	7th​
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2022-23​	Perreault​	​ 48​	​ 8​	​ 11​	​ 19​	​ 0.40​	​	​ -16​	9th​
​	Tracey​	​ 62​	​ 10​	​ 18​	​ 28​	​ 0.45​	​	​ -17​	6th​

Perreault was injured more often than Tracey last year. Despite the step back in production, their relative team scoring ranking wasn't too far off from the previous year. That could imply that the team construction sucked, especially when you notice how everyone on the team were in negative double digit +/- ratings.

Adding a top line center in Aggozino and LD Trevor Carrick back to the org are a good first step to help shelter the youths. The prospect additions C Gaucher, LD Minty, LD Zell, and LD Hinds should be another boost in team talent. One of our prospect LD's might have to play RD (Zell or Hinds). Hopefully, with improved talent on the team, both Perreault and Tracey can get back on track. Tracey turned 22 years old in late May and Perreault turned 21 years old in mid-April. Might be too soon to give up on both.

Likely inflated... similar to how Hampus used to be listed at 6'2 to 6'3 around 205, but now he gets the Bruin juiced up 6'4 215, and will become 6'5 230 by the time he hits his thirties....

 

[ohcomeonref]

Likely inflated... similar to how Hampus used to be listed at 6'2 to 6'3 around 205, but now he gets the Bruin juiced up 6'4 215, and will become 6'5 230 by the time he hits his thirties....

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I know a lot of suspiciously short 6' dudes around my town too. It ain't just the NHL that juices numbers, lol

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Likely inflated... similar to how Hampus used to be listed at 6'2 to 6'3 around 205, but now he gets the Bruin juiced up 6'4 215, and will become 6'5 230 by the time he hits his thirties....

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It could be inflated, but Lane Hutson grew two inches since being drafted, from 5'8 to 5'10. EP has been improving with their stats as they mimic the stats from each prospect's page from CHL to NCAA.

According to Hockey-Reference, #37 Bergeron in 6'1 and middle guy is Pastrnak is 6'1.
2012 CSB's final rankings has Lindholm listed at 6'2.5" and 196 lbs. It's possible that Lindholm could have grown an inch, but the measurement is rounded up. heh!

Now, I've seen prospects shrink such as McTavish being 6'2 (THW). CSB's final ranking has him at 6'1. Official Ducks' site lists him at 6'0.

 

[FiveTacos]

When I met Igor Larionov he was around 5'7", maybe 5'8" at the very most. I don't believe any listed heights or weights, frankly.

 

[cheesymc]

It could be inflated, but Lane Hutson grew two inches since being drafted, from 5'8 to 5'10. EP has been improving with their stats as they mimic the stats from each prospect's page from CHL to NCAA.

According to Hockey-Reference, #37 Bergeron in 6'1 and middle guy is Pastrnak is 6'1.
2012 CSB's final rankings has Lindholm listed at 6'2.5" and 196 lbs. It's possible that Lindholm could have grown an inch, but the measurement is rounded up. heh!

Now, I've seen prospects shrink such as McTavish being 6'2 (THW). CSB's final ranking has him at 6'1. Official Ducks' site lists him at 6'0.

I remember Hutson had some analysis about his bone growth showing he had some height upside. If he is truly 5’10 he’s likely another Zelleweger clone and a steal in the draft (except I think Z is a lot more dynamic in his skating).

 

[Sean Garrity]

Liked it overall, but felt like they undersold the weakness on the wing for our prospects, or at least what were in large party disappointing seasons. I also think Minty is more the “next prospect up” but not going to harp too much on Zell being picked over him.

 

[All Mighty]

Huge deal went down in Florida.

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Scott Wheeler put out his top-50 prospects. Most of the top are the 2023 draftees, which he always favors younger prospects than older ones. Anaheim has three in his top-50: #4 Carlsson, #26 Mintyukov, and #28 Zellweger. Bedard, Michkov, and Fantilli are ahead of Carlsson, in that order.

Scott Wheeler's top 50 drafted NHL prospects ranking, summer 2023 edition

Where do Adam Fantilli, Logan Cooley, Leo Carlsson and other top drafted NHL prospects rank on Scott Wheeler's list?

theathletic.com

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

Scott Wheeler put out his top-50 prospects. Most of the top are the 2023 draftees, which he always favors younger prospects than older ones. Anaheim has three in his top-50: #4 Carlsson, #26 Mintyukov, and #28 Zellweger. Bedard, Michkov, and Fantilli are ahead of Carlsson, in that order.

Scott Wheeler's top 50 drafted NHL prospects ranking, summer 2023 edition

Where do Adam Fantilli, Logan Cooley, Leo Carlsson and other top drafted NHL prospects rank on Scott Wheeler's list?

theathletic.com

Thanks for the link. He also mentions that Luneau nearly made the top 50. Also, I read this (from Zellweger's profile) like a dying man in the desert looking at an oasis: "I love how quickly he reads the play when he gets the puck. It’s catch, survey and quickly skate or outlet. Rinse, repeat. He almost never waits too long to make a decision."

 

[Hockey Duckie]

Thanks for the link. He also mentions that Luneau nearly made the top 50. Also, I read this (from Zellweger's profile) like a dying man in the desert looking at an oasis: "I love how quickly he reads the play when he gets the puck. It’s catch, survey and quickly skate or outlet. Rinse, repeat. He almost never waits too long to make a decision."

I know Wheeler said Luneau was one of the last defensemen cut for this list, but that honorable mentions list is longer than his top-50. Who knows how big a pool that is for last defensemen cut for his list, since his last tier is technically ranked 30-127?

This year’s ranking is divided into four tiers. They are: 1, 2-7, 8-29, 30-50+. I debated swapping each of the final few players I have ranked with most of the 77 players I have listed as honourable mentions below. Consider it more of a 30-127 tier (though there’s probably one more divide in there between the players I seriously considered and the ones who only got passing consideration).​

I was surprised to see Nazar made the top-50 because he was mostly injured last year and wasn't dynamic when he returned. Wheeler listed six other forwards that could have taken Nazar's spot at 50. Luneau might be further away from the top-50 list.

Luneau actually was in the similar disposition as Nazar except it was Luneay's draft year when he was recovering from a summer knee surgery. CSB summer 2022 pre-lim list had Luneau as a first round prospect. This year, Luneau produced equally or better than his 2022 counterparts in Korchinski, Mintyukov, and Mateychuk, especially in the playoffs. Winning the QMJHL d-man of the year is evidence of high end production. Nazar gets the benefit of the doubt, but Luneau... not so much despite proving his top play returned the next season from his knee surgery.

Spoiler: Why Luneau should be ranked with Korchinski, Mintyukov, and Mateychuk

#22 LD Korchinskin (7th OA in 2022 draft)
#26 LD Mintyukov (10th OA in 2022 draft)
#32 LD Mateyhcuk (12th OA in 2022 draft)

These three were drafted close together in the 2022 draft. Luneau went in the 2nd round of that same draft class. Luneau's past year should have given him a high bump equal to those three. The reason Luneau fell to the 2nd round was due to his slow recovery from knee surgery in his D+0 off-season. He had a first round rating from CSB summer pre-liminary grade.

CHL stat	2021	- 2023	D-men
Player	Season	League	Games	G	A	Pts	PPG	+/-		Playoffs	G	A	Pts	PPG
Korchinski	D+0	WHL	67​	4​	61​	65​	0.97​	36​		25​	6​	13​	19​	0.76​
	D+1	WHL	54​	11​	62​	73​	1.35​	50​		19​	3​	11​	14​	0.74​
Mintyukov	D+0	OHL	67​	17​	45​	62​	0.93​	-14​		0​			0​	#DIV/0!​
	D+1	OHL	69​	24​	64​	88​	1.28​	33​		11​	0​	9​	9​	0.82​
Mateychuk	D+0	WHL	65​	13​	51​	64​	0.98​	20​		10​	1​	9​	10​	1.00​
	D+1	WHL	63​	8​	57​	65​	1.03​	15​		10​	3​	5​	8​	0.80​
Luneau	D+0	QMJHL	63​	12​	31​	43​	0.68​	9​		7​	0​	6​	6​	0.86​
	D+1	QMJHL	65​	20​	63​	83​	1.28​	46​		13​	2​	15​	17​	1.31​
Zellweger	D+1	WHL	55​	14​	64​	78​	1.42​	45​		6​	2​	7​	9​	1.50​
	D+2	WHL	55​	32​	48​	80​	1.45​	30​		14​	11​	18​	29​	2.07​

 

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[MMC]

8. Lukas Dostal, G, 23 (Anaheim Ducks — No. 85, 2018)​

Dostal’s on a run of four really strong age-adjusted seasons and is owed a full-time NHL job at this point.


He’s an average-sized goalie who has turned his 6-foot-2 frame into an asset by adding some strength (he’s now over 190 pounds, which is about 20 pounds of muscle from where he was not long ago) and power to a game that was already built on agility. He’s got pristine technical ability, great hands (especially his glove), and quick feet, which help him stick with dekes, track the play through screens, and make recovery saves on scrambles. Plus, he holds his lines on his edges extremely well, limiting his movements when he needs to, staying compact, and playing his angles head-on. He has also proven, time and time again, that while his game requires movement, he’s in complete control and rarely swims. He’s going to be one of the Ducks’ two goalies long-term. The question now is just which one. He has certainly turned me from cautious a few years ago into a believer.

 

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[Kalv]

Spoiler alert: they like him a lot

 

[Anaheim4ever]

Spoiler alert: they like him a lot

Reminds me that I don't believe in trading him or Minty, need to see where they are after 5 seasons in the NHL because each of the trades involving a Ducks Dman has turned out poorly and I think Zellweger/Minty may end up being the best Dmen the Ducks have drafted if everything goes well.

Nothing wrong if Drysdale ends up being only the 3rd or 4th best Dman in the future of the team behind Minty/Zellweger and a longshot but possibly Luneau. He'll still be a important player in the top4 of the D.

 

[Kalv]

Reminds me that I don't believe in trading him or Minty, need to see where they are after 5 seasons in the NHL because each of the trades involving a Ducks Dman has turned out poorly and I think Zellweger/Minty may end up being the best Dmen the Ducks have drafted if everything goes well.

Nothing wrong if Drysdale ends up being only the 3rd or 4th best Dman in the future of the team behind Minty/Zellweger and a longshot but possibly Luneau. He'll still be a important player in the top4 of the D.

Yeah to me feels like Zell will take some time to really hit his stride. I hope we don't rush any judgement

 

[lwvs84]

Reminds me that I don't believe in trading him or Minty, need to see where they are after 5 seasons in the NHL because each of the trades involving a Ducks Dman has turned out poorly and I think Zellweger/Minty may end up being the best Dmen the Ducks have drafted if everything goes well.

Nothing wrong if Drysdale ends up being only the 3rd or 4th best Dman in the future of the team behind Minty/Zellweger and a longshot but possibly Luneau. He'll still be a important player in the top4 of the D.

You need (or could have) a PMD/OFD on each pairing. There's no reason Minty, Zell, and Drysdale couldn't all play in the lineup. Minty might not be a small guy either when he fills out, same with Luneau. They just need to be complimented with the right guys (and we have players like that in the system with Warren, Hinds, Moore).

 

[Hockey Duckie]

You need (or could have) a PMD/OFD on each pairing. There's no reason Minty, Zell, and Drysdale couldn't all play in the lineup. Minty might not be a small guy either when he fills out, same with Luneau. They just need to be complimented with the right guys (and we have players like that in the system with Warren, Hinds, Moore).

There's two-way D in Lacombe as well that could be a part of the mix & match.

 

[anezthes]

I hope we don't rush any judgement

We the fans or management?

 

[Kalv]

We the fans or management?

Management. Fans always rush to judgement, me included

 

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