2023-24 Calder Memorial Trophy finalists: Connor Bedard, Brock Faber, Luke Hughes

[FLAMESFAN]

I do think this year makes a case for the NHL to move to a Offensive ROY and a DROY
More goalies could contend then too

 

[MuckOG]

Considering they actually had to put an age limit on it, I'd say age has factored in.
It plays a roll, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Yes, and Faber is younger than 26, so that doesn't apply to him. The discussion is whether Bedard should get "bonus points" because he is younger than Faber.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

Yes, and Faber is younger than 26, so that doesn't apply to him. The discussion is whether Bedard should get "bonus points" because he is younger than Faber.

1st of all you posted that age has never been a factor. It has.
2nd of all, the whole reason for the rule change is that an older player has a distinct advantage. 26 was where they drew the line, but voters still can recognise this advantage and do take it into consideration
So yes, Bedard gets "bonus points" for being 18 and still producing on a historically crappy team.

 

[Wierzbowski426]

Devils just live Rent free in Crypto's head.

You guys need to stop responding. He just likes the attention.





Faber for me but I can see the argument for Bedard. Either one will end up deserving.

Hughes is a distant third but anyone claiming he doesn't deserve to even be nominated has rocks for brains.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Luke Hughes??? Guess which one is not like the others...

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Faded a bit at the end of the year but Flyers' goalie Samuel Ersson was a far more deserving candidate than Hughes.

Twenty-three wins and no way Philadelphia comes close to playoffs without him.

 

[STLegend]

Faber

 

[MasterofGrond]

Faded a bit at the end of the year but Flyers' goalie Samuel Ersson was a far more deserving candidate than Hughes.

Twenty-three wins and no way Philadelphia comes close to playoffs without him.

LMAO. Man, he had an .890 sv%.

Just a painfully predictable post from you.

 

[State of Hockey]

Nothing except a couple of broken ribs.

Possibly 2 months of broken ribs, but I've never had them so I can't really comment on whatever limitations they might bring.

Since this means we have to play the hypothetical game, Bedard wasn't injured and we can extrapolate his points to 73 on the season. And then neither had missing/ineffective linemates either, so we have to open that can of worms that also favors Bedard. You want to go down that road? No you don't.

The fact of the matter is that Faber's clear vulnerability to the physical side of the game is part of the equation why he shouldn't win. Teams found out, exploited his deficiencies, and it cost him the chance at the Calder. His defensive play significantly tailed off starting in December, longer than 2 months left in the season. You can't out-excuse Bedard.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Since this means we have to play the hypothetical game, Bedard wasn't injured and we can extrapolate his points to 73 on the season. And then neither had missing/ineffective linemates either, so we have to open that can of worms that also favors Bedard. You want to go down that road? No you don't.

The fact of the matter is that Faber's clear vulnerability to the physical side of the game is part of the equation why he shouldn't win. Teams found out, exploited his deficiencies, and it cost him the chance at the Calder. His defensive play significantly tailed off starting in December, longer than 2 months left in the season. You can't out-excuse Bedard.

I didn't mention linemates. That's clearly a factor in Bedard's "favor". As is age.

Just saying that broken ribs might've affected Faber's ability to play better, thereby saying that "there was nothing preventing him from playing better" (or whatever you said) might just be a false statement.

I think Bedard is going win, and probably deserves to, for the record. I disagree with anybody that uses "AINEC", however.

 

[FLAMESFAN]

I didn't mention linemates. That's clearly a factor in Bedard's "favor". As is age.

Just saying that broken ribs might've affected Faber's ability to play better, thereby saying that "there was nothing preventing him from playing better" (or whatever you said) might just be a false statement.

I think Bedard is going win, and probably deserves to, for the record. I disagree with anybody that uses "AINEC", however.

Personally I don't know how anyone could play with broken ribs (plural).
I had a hairline fracture in my ribs and it bothered me for almost a year - and I wasn't playing a contact sport at the highest level.
When they say broken, it must have been a hairline fracture, because even the smallest movements on the ice involve your core

 

[scoopscj]

Devil's homer here... Luke has no chance. Connor all the way. Brock hot second too. Great year for the three kids.

 

[Obvious Fabertism]

Personally I don't know how anyone could play with broken ribs (plural).
I had a hairline fracture in my ribs and it bothered me for almost a year - and I wasn't playing a contact sport at the highest level.
When they say broken, it must have been a hairline fracture, because even the smallest movements on the ice involve your core

It sucks, you never feel like you are getting enough oxygen, though it’s better in game when your adrenaline is high.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Surely there was a better pick than Hughes, he struggled a lot this year.

That one seems like name recognition only.

That’s what I was thinking. By all accounts he was kind of a disappointment this year was he not?

Doesn’t really matter though. Bedard clearly wins

Here is the prediction thread for reference:

2023-2024 Calder predictions

With the new season coming, annual Calder trophy will be awarded after the season. The last time #1 draft pick winning the trophy was AM34. I hope this will be another #1 pick 98 Connor Bedard to win Calder. Cheers!

forums.hfboards.com

Not to toot my own horn but I was literally the only person to mention Faber as a candidate in a 9 page topic.

“Not to toot my own horn”

… proceeds to toot own horn

 

[dgibb10]

Faded a bit at the end of the year but Flyers' goalie Samuel Ersson was a far more deserving candidate than Hughes.

Twenty-three wins and no way Philadelphia comes close to playoffs without him.

He had an 0.890 and a negative GSAx

 

[SuperScript29]

Given the hype behind him, Bedard will probably get it, but Faber and Hughes had excellent rookie seasons as well, and if either of them win it, I don't think I'd call it a robbery.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

He had an 0.890 and a negative GSAx

Much of which came during the two week swoon when the entire team struggled.

As opposed to power play inflated scoring numbers and a woeful -25 plus/minus?

You can argue that he doesn't fit with the top two - and there are likely other deserving rookies around the league - but Ersson vs Hughes is a no-brainer.

 

[dgibb10]

Much of which came during the two week swoon when the entire team struggled.

As opposed to power play inflated scoring numbers and a woeful -25 plus/minus?

You can argue that he doesn't fit with the top two - and there are likely other deserving rookies around the league - but Ersson vs Hughes is a no-brainer.

Yeah ersson absolutely shit the bed down the stretch.

+/- lmao.

 

[Xirik]

Yeah ersson absolutely shit the bed down the stretch.

+/- lmao.

Don't bother with him, He thinks the entire Devils organization has been taken over by the Hughes family and this is him showing acts of defiance against them.

 

[dgibb10]

Don't bother with him, He thinks the entire Devils organization has been taken over by the Hughes family and this is him showing acts of defiance against them.

I saw him suggest the devils would have been in the playoffs had they simply played Daniel Misyul over Luke Hughes.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Much of which came during the two week swoon when the entire team struggled.

As opposed to power play inflated scoring numbers and a woeful -25 plus/minus?

You can argue that he doesn't fit with the top two - and there are likely other deserving rookies around the league - but Ersson vs Hughes is a no-brainer.

Imagine citing a -25 when he was only -4 at 5v5 despite being anchored by Brendan Smith for a large part of the year.

Hughes was actually +9 at 5v5 without Smith:

Hughes with Smith
3GF 16GA

Hughes without Smith
48GF 39GA

So yeah, your posts are idiotic.

 

[north21]

Would pay to see Faber or Hugh's just for the drama but we all know it's Bedard and I can't really make any kind of legit case against it .

 

[cptjeff]

Should be Faber, will be Bedard. Voters will look at the points and will want to hype a star, they'll just overlook the fact that other teams salivated about the chances they would get when Bedard was on the ice. Good teams never get #1 picks, but I don't think any good team would have let Bedard even see the ice this year with how poorly he played defensively.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

I saw him suggest the devils would have been in the playoffs had they simply played Daniel Misyul over Luke Hughes.

Never said that. Welcome to Ignoreland.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Should be Faber, will be Bedard. Voters will look at the points and will want to hype a star, they'll just overlook the fact that other teams salivated about the chances they would get when Bedard was on the ice. Good teams never get #1 picks, but I don't think any good team would have let Bedard even see the ice this year with how poorly he played defensively.

Every good team would’ve been playing bedard this year