Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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Patty Ice
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Yes and no. I get that it's not apples to apples, but the Leafs did the same thing for the last half of the season and playoffs.They usually went 5 forwards if that tells you anything
He was mostly on PP2 with Walman ahead of him and after the deadline Wenberg played the point in a 5 fw unit.
Patty Ice
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Yea but you guys had Marner, Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, and Knies. Sharks had rookies Celebrini and Smith, B level FAs Toffoli and Wennberg and Eklund.
Patty Ice
Mighty Luca
Not that I'm hating on Liljegren. I like him for this team but I'll echo that he is very underwhelming more than anything.
The Nemesis
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More like apples to a rock that's painted orange.
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I feel like it's the other way. To me, he's totally competent for like 90% of his ice time. Then he f***s up some basic puck handling or skating move that makes me go "yup that's why he's not a top 4."
I also don't think I've been wowed by him in a way that's left me wanting for more
Cas
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I think my issue is that everyone is competent for 90% of their ice time, but actually useful players are competent 99% of the time (and can still be overpowered by someone significantly better than "competent").
I just don't see anything in Liljegren to make me think he's a worthy starter in the NHL. He doesn't do anything actually well, and he's prone to making massive errors.
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6 years at $6.5M AAV (his AFP projection) is going to be virtually nothing in the grand scheme as the cap increases (especially when Dickinson will be on an ELC for at least half of it). I'd rather have the left side of the D locked in for the now and future than keep having to piss away draft capital to acquire mediocre depth D-Men every trade deadline.
Miller would be the best LHD we've had in a decade (2016 Vlasic) and you're acting like we've got no use for him because we've seen 30 games of Muk and 0 games of Dickinson. At least you didn't try and include Cagnoni there.
A player like Miller being available is a red flag considering if he’s all you say he is, they need to keep him especially at that contract that will be nothing in the grand scheme. They’re not really hurting for cap space to accommodate that sort of deal.
I don’t think being the best LD since Vlasic then is really a concern for me moving forward. I’m not worried about the left side with Dickinson and Mukhamadullin in the organization. I want top four guys that would be good fits to play with them.
If we need an LD later, they’re readily available without the false dichotomy of Miller or mediocre depth defensemen at the trade deadline.
Biggest difference is Penguins didn't keep him as starting goalie for several more years
There's been like 20 actual NHLers out of like 100 that have come through this team the last 6 years. Continuing to use this terrible reasoning to justify acquiring more stank lol
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It's a red flag regarding the rangers, not a red flag regarding Miller
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Having too many good LHDs is the fakest of fake problems. There aren't enough RHDs to go around that you can expect to assemble a perfectly balanced defense corps. Just get good players.
Besides we have no idea what Dickinson and Mukhamadullin will turn out to be and I say that as a huge fan of both of them.
Besides we have no idea what Dickinson and Mukhamadullin will turn out to be and I say that as a huge fan of both of them.
Why? Miller is pretty garden variety. I just don’t see the need to move assets and give term like that to someone who doesn’t really impact the game in a way the Sharks actually need.
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His contract is still young! Give them time haha, there aren’t that many options for them. They might flirt with the idea of him “finding himself” again.
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It's indicative of failures within the Rangers org that a 25-year old freak athlete has regressed, and further it falls in line with other turmoil around the rangers regarding letting Goodrow go (lol, but true) and trading Truoba. That's a broken team.
Of course the price has to be right, but he is a prime buy low candidate for this team to take a flyer on. We need to make moves to improve the team next year, and Miller would do that. Maybe that need is revisited next season, but deal with that as it happens.
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Today I learned this guy is "garden variety." There are a lot of criticisms you can levy at Miller but a 6'5 defenseman who skates like the wind is one of the least garden variety players in the league.
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I’ve said this for a year but Miller just feels destined to being a Shark to me. He’s exactly the kind of guy Grier likes.
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He's very similar to what Brent Burns was when we acquired him in 2011.
Even if he is garden variety that still would make him the best defenseman on our team 
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He's potentially available because NYR have such little cap space. They have $8M to sign him and Cuylle while also filling out their lineup and finding any upgrades. To suggest they're not really hurting for cap space is positively nonsensical. So with that, I'm out on this discussion.
