Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[SJS1991]

I hear ya. U guys do have 40m in caps space.

Not if the rumors are true and the injury he has been dealing with is a back. If the leafs wanted to offer up Knies…. I think that would be a more fruitful discussion, as he seems like a Grierzy player.

 

[spintops]

Does it need to be re-hashed 9,863 times? No.

Every topic is basically a re-hash at this point. Do you prefer Martone or Misa? Will the Islanders pass on Schaefer? Are we going to win 20 games next year? There's 20+ pages on every topic. I just skip pages when I'm burnt out on a subject lol

 

[Hangemhigh]

My fav team is the leafs. Second being the sharks. Would the sharks be interested in Mathews and marner?

Matthews was born in the Bay Area so it would be neat for him to be here.

 

[ashs]

Matthews was born in the Bay Area so it would be neat for him to be here.

He wasn't 100 percent this season but expects to be 100 come training camp. That's a perennial 70 goal scorer.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

He wasn't 100 percent this season but expects to be 100 come training camp. That's a perennial 70 goal scorer.

Until the playoffs come around and he’s a 30 goal scorer type.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Until the playoffs come around and he’s a 30 goal scorer type.

19 goal pace in the playoffs this season…

 

[ChompChomp]

My fav team is the leafs. Second being the sharks. Would the sharks be interested in Mathews and marner?

Putting aside Matthews, if at some point before the time expires for Leafs to give Marner an 8 year contract, Marner's camp tells the Leafs he will not re-sign, and tells the Leafs he wants to sign with the Sharks, and all sides already work out that Marner will immediately sign an 8 year deal with the Sharks for whatever his camp and Grier agree to, then I'd be willing to trade a 2025 or 2026 7th for his rights to accomplish that. But that's about it.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

19 goal pace in the playoffs this season…

Pretty rough when his playoff career is 30-ish and dropping like a rock this past run. They’ll still rightly ask for the moon but I’d only consider signing him when he hits free agency if his demands aren’t ridiculous and he can be fit into it (which I doubt by then).

 

[Star Platinum]

Does it need to be re-hashed 9,863 times? No.

It wouldn't need to be rehashed except some people think that it's worth having the worst player in the league because of his great leadership. All I said was that it was a black eye on Grier's GM tenure.

 

[OrrNumber4]

It is the extremely rare goal-scorer who can still score at the same rate in the playoffs. So far, Matthews has shown he is not one of those players.

So, for these players to succeed, they need to fall back on other talents and other players.

 

[Bizz]

Does it need to be re-hashed 9,863 times? No.

Does what need to be rehashed?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Lebrun talked about Marner potentially going to places like Anaheim, LA, and Vegas. I would consider any of that a win for the Sharks if it happens lol

 

[SJS1991]

Lebrun talked about Marner potentially going to places like Anaheim, LA, and Vegas. I would consider any of that a win for the Sharks if it happens lol

Vegas would need to make deals to make room for Marner... wonder if there is a deal there that would interest the sharks.

 

[coooldude]

Anaheim has enough sandpaper that if Marner went there, I'd be really worried. They're building a scary team that's super annoying to play against. Marner fits better than Zegras and is a lot better.

 

[gaucholoco3]

Lebrun talked about Marner potentially going to places like Anaheim, LA, and Vegas. I would consider any of that a win for the Sharks if it happens lol

Why? Marner is a top 10 wing in the league.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Why? Marner is a top 10 wing in the league.

Because I’m not worried about Marner being an impact player when it counts.

 

[Bizz]

Same thing applies to AM34 as Marner. Yes, their playoff performance isn't stellar, but it's amazing what getting out of a franchise that has a losing culture and toxic fanbase/media could do for a player.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Same thing applies to AM34 as Marner. Yes, their playoff performance isn't stellar, but it's amazing what getting out of a franchise that has a losing culture and toxic fanbase/media could do for a player.

I think both are to be avoided given what it would cost to acquire them and pay them. It’s definitely in Marner’s best interest to move on from Toronto. If I was Matthews, I’d force my way out too. It’s just an awful environment that’s only getting worse with more ownership level meddling. It’s in everyone’s best interest for the Leafs and their core forwards to move on but I’m sure some will take longer than others.

 

[ThePlanet]

He wasn't 100 percent this season but expects to be 100 come training camp. That's a perennial 70 goal scorer.

Personally, I would wait until he actually scores 70 in a season before making this claim. But maybe that's just me...

 

[timorous me]

Does what need to be rehashed?

Corned beef.

 

[sampler]

So, I was thinking: I've been batting back and forth between "going for it" with $$ and term and just signing vet "filler" on 1-2 yer deals to wait for the kids.... What do you guys think of doing both?

Like, sign 1 or 2 guys to term and $$$, and then another 2 guys like marchand or Giroux short term as filler? It would be nice to come out of this summer with another long term vet building block in place. Even if we stink again, at least the pieces can start getting assembled. Maybe one Dman and one Wing for term, especially if the Dman is traded for.

York, Miller, Byram, Dobson, Nemec... There are a fair number of RFA D that grier could target and then sign to term. It would be nice to get at least one defender in place for the next 5+ years. Even if the sharks drafted Schaefer and voerhoff to go along with mukh and dick, they would still need at least 1 top pair vet D, as you cannot count on the kids fully for at least 4+ years.

The same for the forwards. Celly, smith, ek, (misa), graf, cherny, musty, bystedt, etc is a great core. But, they will need a few vets to complement that crew. Be nice to get one in this summer...

 

[matt trick]

So, I was thinking: I've been batting back and forth between "going for it" with $$ and term and just signing vet "filler" on 1-2 yer deals to wait for the kids.... What do you guys think of doing both?

Like, sign 1 or 2 guys to term and $$$, and then another 2 guys like marchand or Giroux short term as filler? It would be nice to come out of this summer with another long term vet building block in place. Even if we stink again, at least the pieces can start getting assembled. Maybe one Dman and one Wing for term, especially if the Dman is traded for.

York, Miller, Byram, Dobson, Nemec... There are a fair number of RFA D that grier could target and then sign to term. It would be nice to get at least one defender in place for the next 5+ years. Even if the sharks drafted Schaefer and voerhoff to go along with mukh and dick, they would still need at least 1 top pair vet D, as you cannot count on the kids fully for at least 4+ years.

The same for the forwards. Celly, smith, ek, (misa), graf, cherny, musty, bystedt, etc is a great core. But, they will need a few vets to complement that crew. Be nice to get one in this summer...

Are we signing Marchand to 3x$18M or something? Dude is a piece of shit, but he’s a winner, he hand-picked Florida, and he’s the only ever played for east coast contenders. If we’re just rosterbaiting, sure I’d be game for 3x$18M as I think he’d be a quality linemare for Smith. But other than that, it’s not happening in the real world.

Giroux is 37 and playing in his home province, having never won the cup. I didn’t check but I bet his career earnings are north of $85M. Something tells me his decisions will be based on two things (proximity to Ontario and cup readiness) we fall near the bottom on. Also, he’s 5’11- doesn’t that eliminate him from your perspective.

Agree on getting one 5+ year solution on D. Byram is my top choice, but Buff needs current players (RHD or C). Taking into their needs and are available assets, our best shot is moving futures in a three way trade. K’Andre is probably a decent choice give the Rags needs for cap room. He’d be our best dman, but Dickinson may offer a lot of what he does. I don’t love Dobson, but again he’d be our top D (and best RHD asset by a huge amount). If he’s available (not a guarantee), I think they’ll want a single good asset, not three solid ones.

I think we have 6 b assets (Bystedt, Musty, 4 20-40 picks) that can be used. I’m probably fine spending any three of them for a long-term top 4 Dman solution that has a hope of being a top pair guy (Byram, Dobson for sure).


Nemec would be a nice pickup; but like Jiricek, not sure they’re ideal for us.

 

[Dicdonya]

So, I was thinking: I've been batting back and forth between "going for it" with $$ and term and just signing vet "filler" on 1-2 yer deals to wait for the kids.... What do you guys think of doing both?

Like, sign 1 or 2 guys to term and $$$, and then another 2 guys like marchand or Giroux short term as filler? It would be nice to come out of this summer with another long term vet building block in place. Even if we stink again, at least the pieces can start getting assembled. Maybe one Dman and one Wing for term, especially if the Dman is traded for.

York, Miller, Byram, Dobson, Nemec... There are a fair number of RFA D that grier could target and then sign to term. It would be nice to get at least one defender in place for the next 5+ years. Even if the sharks drafted Schaefer and voerhoff to go along with mukh and dick, they would still need at least 1 top pair vet D, as you cannot count on the kids fully for at least 4+ years.

The same for the forwards. Celly, smith, ek, (misa), graf, cherny, musty, bystedt, etc is a great core. But, they will need a few vets to complement that crew. Be nice to get one in this summer...

I personally think we have enough vet presence on this team that we really do not need to try to specifically get more. Obviously if there is a great deal for someone like Marner or whatever in FA or a trade, we should not turn down the opportunity. However I really want us to avoid filling the team with more short term depth or vet players unless we actually need them.

At this point I think its time to truly turn the team over to the youngsters, and start to find out who is actually worthy of a long term spot on this roster while we now shift our focus to finding specific long term players to add to this roster.

We have to spend some money anyways to hit the floor, I just hope we spend it on a couple big ticket players that can actually contribute for the next 4+ years while we move into being a competitive team, instead of wasting 2-4 mil per player on several more nothing bottom 6 players, or fringe top 6 players because we think we need to have a bunch of useless vets on the team to create some nebulous amount of leadership or good examples for the young players.

I want spots filled with guys like Chernyshov, Musty, Gush, Graf, Dickinson, Lund, Bystedt, Cagnoni etc instead of guys that have already proven their uselessness like Grundstrom, Dellandrea, Desharnais etc. Let the young guys sink or swim, that way we can plan better for the near term future on what deficiencies we truly have in our roster.

 

[CHALUPA]

Young Buffalo Sabres star officially requests trade

He was first acquired by the Sabres in 2024 for Casey Mittelstadt. He had 38 points (7G, 31A) in 82 games this year.

www.yardbarker.com

So is the consensus here that we should go for this if we don’t land Schaefer?

 

[one2gamble]

Young Buffalo Sabres star officially requests trade

He was first acquired by the Sabres in 2024 for Casey Mittelstadt. He had 38 points (7G, 31A) in 82 games this year.

www.yardbarker.com

So is the consensus here that we should go for this if we don’t land Schaefer?

He's tired of losing but he's going to be happy in San Jose?