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Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

I mean don't get me wrong, San Jose is my team but the Utah slander is wild across HFboards. By all accounts Smith and Co knocked it out of the park this year with the org/players and that was with little to no prep. The practice facility they are building looks incredible and they have spared no expense to make this a premier organization now and into the future. Like it or not, they also have full support from the State, County, and City to invest in making the arena work for Hockey and transform the downtown.

I know a lot of the country has a negative view of Utah, which selfishly has kept it a little hidden gem for me the last 9 years I've lived here, but from everything I've read and all the interviews I've seen the players genuinely like it here. We'll see what happens, but they have all the right people in charge to do everything they can to attract talent and worst case they end up similar to San Jose where players don't want to sign but once they get here they stay. Who knows.

I can't think of many reasons why someone like Marner would pick the Sharks over Utah that isn't just wishcasting is the main point I was trying to make...and that's coming from being a pretty intimate fan of both teams.
My reason why he shouldn’t pick Utah is more that I don’t buy them having the pieces to compete for a cup. They don’t have a legit 1C. I don’t buy Sergachev as a 1D. The have intriguing goaltending but it’s not a position I am confident in moving forward.

I think especially if they sign Marner I see Utah having a similar fate to Toronto with successful regular seasons only to not have the pieces to get past the second round.
 
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other than personal connections with patty or jumbo, there is zero reason for marner to come, and similarly few reasons for grier to sign him.

1. Marner is smaller, grier wants bigger.
2. Sharks not ready to make a PO push yet, so the first few years are wasted.
3. No trade flexibility, as whatever salary he gets will be impossible to dump easily.
4. marner likely wants to win. SJ is not gunna win for at least a year or two, so marner will have to deal with a losing team.
5. Sharks biggest need for spending is on D, so if grier is gunna commit double digit millions in $$$ and Term, it will likely be on D as having a set of superstar forwards backed up by 19 yo dickinson, desharnais, thrun, vlasic, Ferraro, and liljgren is a waste of money.
6. the sharks prospect system is flush with promising wingers in musty, cherny, graf, haltunenn, cardwell...
7. cali is a high tax state and expensive place to live.

Obviously, it would be a hell of a splash to land him, but it just doesn't check the boxes. Grier has gotta be looking for size and snarl along with D. Look at osty. Look at Giles. Look at desharnais. The guys he is adding to the organization fit that mold, and the jettisoned ones: Gush, Bords, Potaralski, Zetterlund, all relatively shorter...

grier made an exception for smith and celly because, first, they arent that small (both 6'). and their skill outweighed the heigh dificiencies. he could make a similar exception for marner if the sharks were ready to make a real run and they were stocked in size on the W. However, the sharks are not ready to make a run yet and they are not stacked in size on the W at the NHL level yet.

Grier would be much better off signing guys 1-2 years and buying just a little more time for development. Hopefully, he can add some actual quality guys so the team wins more games, too, while maintainging flexibility and while maximizing trade value and ease.
Problem is, the players we want to have around to add an impact to our hockey team are not signing 1-2 year deals. There likely to get a bunch of plugs at that term. The players we want are going to demand term and im ok with that for the right player, and Grier is too.
 
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Utah's a more competitive team and their window is just starting to open. We still need time for our window to creak open. They will have the money advantage at the end of the day too.
Doesn’t seem to fit how they draft though. They want size. They want big. I guess it depends on your personal definition of big… but I wouldn’t say Marner is that.

The team that makes the most sense (although from a style playing perspective maybe not) is Carolina. But he literally blocked that trade haha.

But they can give him money (they wanted to for Mikko) and it’s sooooo structured he doesn’t need to be “the guy”. Plus small market, quiet, etc.
 
Grier would be much better off signing guys 1-2 years and buying just a little more time for development. Hopefully, he can add some actual quality guys so the team wins more games, too, while maintainging flexibility and while maximizing trade value and ease.
I keep seeing people post stuff like this but these contracts just don’t exist for good players especially on bad teams. Maybe contenders can sign cheap 1-2 year deals but no vet with other options would sign a 1-2 year deal with the Sharks.

Wenberg is the best type of player that could be signed for this type of deal and while he was valuable to the Sharks he has no business playing above 3rd line minutes. This team does not need more bottom 6 depth. They need players who can improve the top 6 and help the kids develop.

I don’t buy the argument that they could be traded to a contender of their choice. Players are also human and don’t want to move their family somewhere for a few months only to not know where they will go in March.

The Sharks are actually an attractive destination for a player on a 7 year deal as there might be only a small number of teams who are better positioned to win a cup over the entire length of the contract. Minnesota (if they can keep Kaprisov) are the only team thatI would consider better positioned and maybe not after Walstedt has been exposed.
 
Doesn’t seem to fit how they draft though. They want size. They want big. I guess it depends on your personal definition of big… but I wouldn’t say Marner is that.

The team that makes the most sense (although from a style playing perspective maybe not) is Carolina. But he literally blocked that trade haha.

But they can give him money (they wanted to for Mikko) and it’s sooooo structured he doesn’t need to be “the guy”. Plus small market, quiet, etc.
Utah doesn't really have a size mandate with their drafts. Even if they did, their lineup has two of their top line guys at Marner's size. I don't think they have that sort of mindset.
 
Utah doesn't really have a size mandate with their drafts. Even if they did, their lineup has two of their top line guys at Marner's size. I don't think they have that sort of mindset.
In like the last 3-4 drafts in the first 2 rounds they have only drafted 6ft or taller.

Cooley and Iginla are their shortest picks and are 6’-0”.

And the draft talk around the club is Cooley is small for them…
 
In like the last 3-4 drafts in the first 2 rounds they have only drafted 6ft or taller.

Cooley and Iginla are their shortest picks and are 6’-0”.

And the draft talk around the club is Cooley is small for them…
It doesn't mean they won't add a player like Marner if they can do it.
 
So he's going to consider. . . San Jose?
I mean, the argument would be that we do have the pieces to compete for a Stanley Cup. They’re just all teenagers and are few years away from being ready to that. Utah might be closer now, but they don’t have the makings of a Cup-winning core like we do in my opinion.

Celebrini, Smith, Askarov, Dickinson, Eklund, Misa/Schaefer, Chernyshov, Mukhamadullin, Musty

Vs.

Cooley, Guenther, Simashev, Desnoyers/Frondell, Iginla, But, Lamoureux

Yes, they have Keller, Hayton, and Sergachev (among other actual NHL defensemen like Durzi/Kesserlring/Marino), which is why they’re better now, but if I’m picking one of these groups of young players to win a Cup in the next 5-8 years, it’s not Utah.
 
It doesn't mean they won't add a player like Marner if they can do it.
Sure… my point is just their draft philosophy from what everyone says when they talk about Utah is they value size.

And I would imagine that’s just an organization philosophy in general to team building. Marner is Cooley and iginla size… and those 2 are within the Utah organization. So you can easily say Marner still “fits” within what they are willing to add.

I was just speaking that whenever people talk Utah, it’s just about size. Like how Chicago their philosophy is they want great skaters, it’s why they have a bunch of short guys currently, and are worrying about it.

So everyone links Marner to Utah and I’m just curious if they do it… if they seemingly wanting size and “jam”
 
I mean, the argument would be that we do have the pieces to compete for a Stanley Cup. They’re just all teenagers and are few years away from being ready to that. Utah might be closer now, but they don’t have the makings of a Cup-winning core like we do in my opinion.

Celebrini, Smith, Askarov, Dickinson, Eklund, Misa/Schaefer, Chernyshov, Mukhamadullin, Musty

Vs.

Cooley, Guenther, Simashev, Desnoyers/Frondell, Iginla, But, Lamoureux

Yes, they have Keller, Hayton, and Sergachev (among other actual NHL defensemen like Durzi/Kesserlring/Marino), which is why they’re better now, but if I’m picking one of these groups of young players to win a Cup in the next 5-8 years, it’s not Utah.
Macklin Celebrini is the only player on that list that is a no doubt championship building block, Askarov is the closest to being a second but he's still unproven

Utah doesn't have a single classic archetype with which to build a championship (maybe Sergachev, but he won in a depth role) but they're an actual competitive NHL roster, the Sharks are one budding transformative superstar, a bunch of hopes and prayers and the most losses in the league 3 years running, we are not going to be more attractive to the big UFAs than a bubble team no state income tax just because we have one awesome 19 year old
 
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1. <5% state income tax
2. Small/quiet market (similar to San Jose)
3. Young, talented roster that probably sneaks into the playoffs if they had a healthy D core all year
4. Phenomenal ownership (San Jose is good too but Smith has gone above and beyond anything I can remember seeing from a team)
5. Swig
6. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives

In all honesty, Utah is just further along in their rebuild and should be a playoff team next year assuming they add someone like Marner and they have the capital to make a big splash trade as well.

I don't understand the slander on Utah in here. Sergachev was great last year and when Marino/Durzi were back the team played great. They are definitely lacking a true #1C but Cooley is still a baby and took a big step this year. Oh and Utah can throw as much money as him as anyone else.



Utah is not mid. 4th overall pick with a solid prospect pool and a good young NHL team.

1C is definitely a question mark but Sergachev played great and they have good depth at D when healthy with guys coming up. We will see if he can replicate it but Veggie almost carried them to the playoffs in goal down the stretch and was great all year.

I'm bullish on Utah. Will they be a legit contender? Depends what BA does in the off-season/going forward but the future is bright
You are VERY bullish on Utah. Let’s see them win a playoff series before we start to talk about them as even a fringe contender contender.
 
Wenberg is the best type of player that could be signed for this type of deal and while he was valuable to the Sharks he has no business playing above 3rd line minutes. This team does not need more bottom 6 depth. They need players who can improve the top 6 and help the kids develop.
The Sharks do have a lot of bottom-6 depth, but most of those are fourth-liners (at best). Even if the Sharks pick up two top-six players, that only leaves Wennberg and Graf for the third line.
 
This is amazing news. To me, it says he's healthy enough that they don’t have major concerns and he should be a bargain if he can keep this past years momentum. Now hit the gym you big gangly Mooseman.

Feel like he showed this year that he definitely has the ability to be a middle pairing guy in the NHL. Needs to prove he can stay healthy though. Nothing really matters if you can't get on the ice. I imagine we will try to sign him to a 2 year or so deal for 2-3 mil per year.
 
Macklin Celebrini is the only player on that list that is a no doubt championship building block, Askarov is the closest to being a second but he's still unproven

Utah doesn't have a single classic archetype with which to build a championship (maybe Sergachev, but he won in a depth role) but they're an actual competitive NHL roster, the Sharks are one budding transformative superstar, a bunch of hopes and prayers and the most losses in the league 3 years running, we are not going to be more attractive to the big UFAs than a bubble team no state income tax just because we have one awesome 19 year old
Not saying we’re an attractive UFA destination right now, just saying we have a better collection of young players to fill out a future contender than Utah does. That’s the post I responded to.
 

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The Sharks do have a lot of bottom-6 depth, but most of those are fourth-liners (at best). Even if the Sharks pick up two top-six players, that only leaves Wennberg and Graf for the third line.
I’m all for picking up legit top 6 players. But if they are Wenberg quality that won’t do much to help the team and would just push the current 3rd liners to the 4th line and 4th liners to the press box.
 
I’m all for picking up legit top 6 players. But if they are Wenberg quality that won’t do much to help the team and would just push the current 3rd liners to the 4th line and 4th liners to the press box.
If we end up with Misa, screw it, snag the best top six forwards you can and go with a top nine like...

Eklund-Celebrini-Toffoli
Wennberg-Smith-Graf
Chernyshov-Misa-xxx

We're already going with a rookie starter and probably two inexperienced defensemen like Dickinson and Mukhamadullin. Embrace the development!
 

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He must have seen the Sharks 4th line and figured he can definitely be a starter here.
 
If we end up with Misa, screw it, snag the best top six forwards you can and go with a top nine like...

Eklund-Celebrini-Toffoli
Wennberg-Smith-Graf
Chernyshov-Misa-xxx

We're already going with a rookie starter and probably two inexperienced defensemen like Dickinson and Mukhamadullin. Embrace the development!
I would keep Wenberg down the middle and run a Misa - Wenberg - Chernyshov 3rd line.

On a side note for those that have watched Chernyshov play is he strictly an F3 or is he more of a playmaker like Musty? I also hope he has potential to add a retrieval F1 style to his game. If he had more playmaking I would love to see him with Celebrini and Eklund.
 
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I would keep Wenberg down the middle and run a Misa - Wenberg - Chernyshov 3rd line.

On a side note for those that have watched Chernyshov play is he strictly an F3 or is he more of a playmaker like Musty? I also hope he has potential to add a retrieval F1 style to his game. If he had more playmaking I would love to see him with Celebrini and Eklund.
He’s not an F1 at all, which is why Celebrini and Eklund are such a good potential line for him. Playmaking is his forte...
 
He’s not an F1 at all, which is why Celebrini and Eklund are such a good potential line for him. Playmaking is his forte...
The Sharks really don’t have any F1 prospects in their system. It’s one reason why Eklund is not a FW I would want to trade for a D since he is the only FW they have that can be an effective F1. (Other than Celebrini who should be the F3)

Krieder, Marchment, Cyulle (not sure), and Bennett are all targets that can play that F1 role that the team desperately needs.

Eklund - Celebrini - Chernyshov
Krieder - Smith - Toffoli
Misa - Wenberg - Graf

While not a playoff top 9 it would put the kids in roles they can succeed in. In a perfect world you get Marner and Schaefer drops to #2.

Eklund - Celebrini - Marner
Krieder - Smith - Toffoli
Graf - Wenberg - Chernyshov
 
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