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A player like Zetterlund is an empty calorie 3rd line winger who puts up inflated stats on a bad team who can't play any defense, can't drive play, doesn't kill penalties and isn't a physical deterrent

Zetterlund is nothing special as a player, he made the best on minutes on the worst team in hockey and racked up meaningless stats while contributing nothing that actually leads to winning, Grier sold incredibly high on Zetterlund, it was a smart trade
Zetterlund was well over a 0.5PPG on an embarrassment of an organizational team and a +8!!! And even then Grier said he targeted Ostapchuk since he was only negotiating with Ottawa :tvhappy:

This forum has got to stop coping with certain things. It's just getting ridiculous now.
 
So he's Ostapchuk but with inflated stats
Basically, only he's touted as a scoring winger rather than a shutdown center, when in actuality neither is that valuable

Zetterlund at least functions as a warm NHL body who can be respectable on a line with better players and Ostapchuk is a minor leaguer, hence the draft pick going our way in the deal
 
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Zetterlund was well over a 0.5PPG on an embarrassment of an organizational team and a +8!!! And even then Grier said he targeted Ostapchuk since he was only negotiating with Ottawa :tvhappy:

This forum has got to stop coping. It's just getting ridiculous now.
Zetterlund scored 83 points in 168 games with the Sharks, a .49p/g pace that equals 40 points over an 82 game season

Your incredibly underwhelming stats aren't even correct, he's a totally replaceable player who's completely fungible as an asset, he only looked good because he got tons of ice time with the best possible linemates on the worst team in hockey, he's nothing special
 
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Zetterlund scored 83 points in 168 games with the Sharks, a .49p/g pace that equals 40 points over an 82 game season

Your incredibly underwhelming stats aren't even correct, he's a totally replaceable player who's completely fungible as an asset, he only looked good because he got tons of ice time with the best possible linemates on the worst team in hockey, he's nothing special
Totally ignoring I was clearly referencing last season and not the season before, when the team had literally nobody. Just hilarious coping dude. He was on the 2nd or 3rd line almost the entire time too so nowhere near the best linemates lol.
 
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Basically, only he's touted as a scoring winger rather than a shutdown center, when in actuality neither is that valuable

Zetterlund at least functions as a warm NHL body who can be respectable on a line with better players and Ostapchuk is a minor leaguer, hence the draft pick going our way in the deal
Grier's weakness is his inability to target and obtain good players.
 
Grier's weakness is his inability to target and obtain good players.
Most of his acquisitions of good players to this point have been through the draft, so the returns aren't in yet, but he did bring in Askarov, Graf and Mukhamadullin as long term additions

Other quality additions like Blackwood, Granlund and Walman WERE good players for us but they were more valuable as trade assets since they didn't fit our future window as aging "win-now" players

Grier has shown both a great ability to add talent and to know when to capitalize on value, we're in such a healthier place now than we were when he took over, and I didn't even mention a single player he drafted, who are all our best and most important players
 
Most of his acquisitions of good players to this point have been through the draft, so the returns aren't in yet, but he did bring in Askarov, Graf and Mukhamadullin as long term additions

Other quality additions like Blackwood, Granlund and Walman WERE good players for us but they were more valuable as trade assets since they didn't fit our future window as aging "win-now" players

Grier has shown both a great ability to add talent and to know when to capitalize on value, we're in such a healthier place now than we were when he took over, and I didn't even mention a single player he drafted, who are all our best and most important players
We are, so I guess it's important to clarify. All of the "diamonds in the rough" he's brought in over the years for the most part didn't work out.

Lindblom
Addison
Studnicka
Goodrow
Thrun
Kunin (debatable)
Kostin
Zadina
Peterson
Dellandrea

Obviously guys like Liljigren and Grundstrom are give or take and granted most of the above mentioned were low risk low probabilities, and I'm sure most of the moves he made he knew weren't gonna work out but at worst they're warm bodies until the kids are ready. It certainly feels though like his best acquisitions were accidental.

Also, jury is still out on Mukh and Askarov but signs are definitely pointing up.
 
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We are, so I guess it's important to clarify. All of the "diamonds in the rough" he's brought in over the years for the most part didn't work out.

Lindblom
Addison
Studnicka
Goodrow
Thrun
Kunin (debatable)
Kostin
Zadina
Peterson
Dellandrea

Obviously guys like Liljigren and Grundstrom are give or take and granted most of the above mentioned were low risk low probabilities, and I'm sure most of the moves he made he knew weren't gonna work out but at worst they're warm bodies until the kids are ready. It certainly feels though like his best acquisitions were accidental.

Also, jury is still out on Mukh and Askarov but signs are definitely pointing up.
I know you're pretty anti-tank, but his best acquisitions are Celebrini, gotten via a purposeful tank job, Askarov, a smart trade built off of the assets of a tank trade, Smith, gotten via a purposeful tank job, and Dickinson, a smart trade up built off of the assets from multiple tank trades

All those other darts on the board were acquired for negligible returns in marginal trades or signed in free agency on low dollar low term contracts, how well they worked out doesn't matter that much in the long run, any of them turning out well is just a bonus, but the main basis of Mike's long term team building is shaping up in a very promising fashion
 
I know you're pretty anti-tank, but his best acquisitions are Celebrini, gotten via a purposeful tank job, Askarov, a smart trade built off of the assets of a tank trade, Smith, gotten via a purposeful tank job, and Dickinson, a smart trade up built off of the assets from multiple tank trades

All those other darts on the board were acquired for negligible returns in marginal trades or signed in free agency on low dollar low term contracts, how well they worked out doesn't matter that much in the long run, any of them turning out well is just a bonus, but the main basis of Mike's long term team building is shaping up in a very promising fashion
Well I don't think any of the acquisitions he made outside of Georgiev were purposely for tanking. I think he understand that either these low risk guys turn into something or they suck and it helps them lose. It was a win-win, but still the ratio isn't very inspiring.
 
Those three would comfortably outscore what Bordeleau did in the AHL this year.

You ask for facts but offer conjecture here.

Bordeleau outscored Grundstrom and Dell Andrea the year prior in half the games on a worse Sharks team. And performed at the same clip as Kovalenko, the best of the bunch and likely KHL bound. At worst, he could be a replacement for him.

Ostapchuk I agree offers something completely different so it's an apple to oranges comparison there.
 
Well I don't think any of the acquisitions he made outside of Georgiev were purposely for tanking. I think he understand that either these low risk guys turn into something or they suck and it helps them lose. It was a win-win, but still the ratio isn't very inspiring.
Agreed, Grier's tank moves were typically sell jobs rather than bringing in a bad player on purpose

Meier, Karlsson and Hertl being the big ones

But Blackwood was equal parts tank-sell, asset massaging and tank acquisition with Georgiev, a true master stroke in the dark arts
 
Agreed, Grier's tank moves were typically sell jobs rather than bringing in a bad player on purpose

Meier, Karlsson and Hertl being the big ones

But Blackwood was equal parts tank-sell, asset massaging and tank acquisition with Georgiev, a true master stroke in the dark arts
I honestly would have been perfectly content extending Blackwood and going with a 1a/1b split, which seems to be more where teams are moving towards, but I don't know how easy a sell that would have been to either net minder.
 
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You ask for facts but offer conjecture here.

Bordeleau outscored Grundstrom and Dell Andrea the year prior in half the games on a worse Sharks team. And performed at the same clip as Kovalenko, the best of the bunch and likely KHL bound. At worst, he could be a replacement for him.

Ostapchuk I agree offers something completely different so it's an apple to oranges comparison there.
I think Osta is essentially gonna bring the same thing as Dellandrea. Just a big (hopefully) physical presence, but not much else.
 
I honestly would have been perfectly content extending Blackwood and going with a 1a/1b split, which seems to be more where teams are moving towards, but I don't know how easy a sell that would have been to either net minder.
I think Blackwood doesn't sign as reasonable of a deal to stay on this shit team where he has to be the savior every night, and if Askarov works out the way the org hopes and thinks he can we could end up spending $15M on goaltending in just a few years, right when we'll probably have to spend well over $20M just on the combo of Celebrini and Smith at the same time, I appreciate them deciding to let Blackwood go in the interest of investing fully in Askarov
 
I think Blackwood doesn't sign as reasonable of a deal to stay on this shit team where he has to be the savior every night, and if Askarov works out the way the org hopes and thinks he can we could end up spending $15M on goaltending in just a few years, right when we'll probably have to spend well over $20M just on the combo of Celebrini and Smith at the same time, I appreciate them deciding to let Blackwood go in the interest of investing fully in Askarov
Yeah I suppose. I'd like to see them invest seriously in the back-up job rather than just go through the carousel of losers. Askarov shouldn't be starting more than 40-45 games next year and that's with the hopes he can stay healthy which hasn't exactly been his M.O.
 
Yeah I suppose. I'd like to see them invest seriously in the back-up job rather than just go through the carousel of losers. Askarov shouldn't be starting more than 40-45 games next year and that's with the hopes he can stay healthy which hasn't exactly been his M.O.
I do think that's the plan, everything Mike has said made it seem like he wants a tandem situation for Askarov, I just don't think he wanted to have to pay something like $7Mx5Y to do so to keep the guy he hopes is the clear backup by the end of that deal
 
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I do think that's the plan, everything Mike has said made it seem like he wants a tandem situation for Askarov, I just don't think he wanted to have to pay something like $7Mx5Y to do so to keep the guy he hopes is the clear backup by the end of that deal
I wouldn't have hated it personally, especially with the way the cap is going up, but I understand why he traded him.
 

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