Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Jargon]

Just going to put this here, apropos of nothing in particular.

Hodge is going to counter in like 7 months with some video of Walman falling or something and be like rofl see ahahahah

 

[tiburon12]

Beating a dead horse? He brings up Walman any chance he gets (unprovoked). That stud is in the glue factory.

Admittedly, i didn't know the next stage after beating the dead horse

 

[OrrNumber4]

Just going to put this here, apropos of nothing in particular.

He had a fantastic game. I was shocked at his deployment; he was getting some tough defensive minutes and even PK time! But he handled it very well.

 

[Yummyshark]

Hodge single handedly willing the Oilers to win with his Hodgecannon. Bouchard, Walman, I'm sure he probably called McDavid a mental smurf too somewhere up the line.

 

[SharksFan1992]

I don’t get why people want to keep giving back assets for a player who only looked good playing top line minutes on the worst team in the cap era. He is not good and Grier did a great job not falling into the trap by handing him a long term deal.

I admit I was fooled by Zetterlund before the deadline thinking he was a core adjacent piece. After Grier traded him for what looked like a soft return I feel like my Sharks beer goggles were removed to realize he was a very flawed player.

2019-20 Red Wings anyone?

 

[weastern bias]

Hodge single handedly willing the Oilers to win with his Hodgecannon. Bouchard, Walman, I'm sure he probably called McDavid a mental smurf too somewhere up the line.

Please keep doing it

f*** the Kings

 

[Hodge]

I'm not the one who made Steve Yzerman call a press conference to imply Walman was traded due to character issues.

Good on him for having a decent game for once. f*** the Kings.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I'm not the one who made Steve Yzerman call a press conference to imply Walman was traded due to character issues.

Good on him for having a decent game for once. f*** the Kings.

This is gaslighting/fake news wrapped into one.

 

[Hodge]

This is gaslighting/fake news wrapped into one.

That’s not what gaslighting is.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'm not the one who made Steve Yzerman call a press conference to imply Walman was traded due to character issues.

Good on him for having a decent game for once. f*** the Kings.

Is it really implying that Walman was traded due to character issues if Yzerman is saying no and no to regretting the trade to the Sharks and elaborating on it?

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Watching the Habs series makes me appreciate the size Grier is going for in depth players. You win with skill at the top of your line up, but every year the teams that win series have big players throughout.

 

[tiburon12]

Is it really implying that Walman was traded due to character issues if Yzerman is saying no and no to regretting the trade to the Sharks and elaborating on it?

It's implying that it was not business or hockey related. Not many logical choices after that

 

[TheBeard]

Even if it were character related:

A) Yzerman doesn't exactly have a track record of solid managerial decisions
B) There were teams that would have paid for or at the very least taken Walman without needing to be enticed
C) There were no apparent issues in SJ and Edmonton doesn't seem to have any issues with him either, so it tells me it may be an organizational problem in Detroit

 

[Hodge]

Even if it were character related:

A) Yzerman doesn't exactly have a track record of solid managerial decisions
B) There were teams that would have paid for or at the very least taken Walman without needing to be enticed
C) There were no apparent issues in SJ and Edmonton doesn't seem to have any issues with him either, so it tells me it may be an organizational problem in Detroit

A) The guy who built a back to back Cup champion and perennial contender in Tampa doesn't have a track record of solid managerial decisions? Even in Detroit, what mistakes has he made?
B) Wrong. The only thing that has been reported is that other teams would have taken Walman for a sweetener of lesser value than a 2nd.
C) Have you already forgotten about Walman being healthy scratched by Warsofsky for blowing off a team-mandated recovery session? He's been in Edmonton for ten minutes so it says it all that you have to brag about him not pissing people off there yet (that we know of).

 

[TheBeard]

A) The guy who built a back to back Cup champion and perennial contender in Tampa doesn't have a track record of solid managerial decisions? Even in Detroit, what mistakes has he made?
B) Wrong. The only thing that has been reported is that other teams would have taken Walman for a sweetener of lesser value than a 2nd.
C) Have you already forgotten about Walman being healthy scratched by Warsofsky for blowing off a team-mandated recovery session? He's been in Edmonton for ten minutes so it says it all that you have to brag about him not pissing people off there yet (that we know of).

cool story, bro.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Yzerman has long known to be bad at his job. This is no secret

 

[Hodge]

Yzerman has long known to be bad at his job. This is no secret

About as intelligent a take as saying Grier has been bad at his job because the Sharks finish last every year.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It's implying that it was not business or hockey related. Not many logical choices after that

All it is saying is that he doesn’t regret it. It implies nothing beyond that. It can be as simple as Yzerman not wanting to admit regret due to ego.

 

[Lebanezer]

About as intelligent a take as saying Grier has been bad at his job because the Sharks finish last every year.

Things are far more nuanced than you are implying here. Yzerman has his failings, but he's won, Grier has his failings, and still has a lot to prove. Yzerman's record has far more data points that can be used in an argument than Grier's.

 

[Barrie22]

Things are far more nuanced than you are implying here. Yzerman has his failings, but he's won, Grier has his failings, and still has a lot to prove. Yzerman's record has far more data points that can be used in an argument than Grier's.

He has never won a cup as a GM.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

About as intelligent a take as saying Grier has been bad at his job because the Sharks finish last every year.

Its not a take

 

[Hodge]

Things are far more nuanced than you are implying here. Yzerman has his failings, but he's won, Grier has his failings, and still has a lot to prove. Yzerman's record has far more data points that can be used in an argument than Grier's.

What are the data points supposedly proving Yzerman is bad at his job?

 

[weastern bias]

Yzerman's real mistake was trying to accelerate their rebuild in the exact way I've argued Grier should not

He overpaid to bring in "win now" veteran players but all he did was work himself into being a bubble playoff team with overpaid players who aren't good enough to actually help the team win at a high level

The contacts he gave out to Copp, Compher, Chiarot and Holl are crippling, every one of those players is useful and has a utility but by overpaying them in free agency he's locked his team away from ever being truly competitive at a high level

He needed to keep the tank years rolling so he could actually secure a #1 center, his team is built around one good defenseman, a 28 year old 1B center and one good goal scoring winger, that isn't close to a winning formula in the short or long term, the Illich family got impatient and he was forced to ruin their team build to satisfy ownership, he's made some crushing mistakes but I don't completely blame him for it

He DID build the best team of the entire salary cap era in Tampa Bay and doesn't get credit for it because he left right before they won the cup, he's the Dale Tallon to BriseBois' San Bowman, so I think he's proven to actually be quite capable, but that team was built slowly over the course of a decade, the Red Wings' organization handcuffed Yzerman and now he's left looking like a failure due to some things out of his control

 

[Gecklund]

Arguing about a GM that isn’t ours cause he said something about a player that is no longer on the team? We really need the draft lottery don’t we?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Arguing about a GM that isn’t ours cause he said something about a player that is no longer on the team? We really need the draft lottery don’t we?

We just need people to not hold grudges or whatever you want to call it against players that leave for whatever reason. That's all.