The second highest offer sheet tier is 2 1st round picks in the next 3 years and 26 2nd and 26 3rd. This would at least give the Sharks a chance to not give up the 26 1st if it is top 5.
Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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The team obviously needs to fill the holes on D but I would kill to pry Tage Thompson from Buffalo to pair with Celebrini. That would be an insane duo.
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And on a very good contract until 2030, I think it was 7.1mil per... That's a contract Sharks would love to have.
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Also, the Rangers owe us for the Goodrow crap so they should just trade us the RFA rights to Cuylle at a discount.
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If I was GM that offer sheet is a no-brainer. Worst case you get a high quality middle physical scoring winger, best case you end up with what the Blues got with Holloway. Also opens up the possibility of trading other assets (Musty, Chernyshov, etc.) for that defenseman you can't get in the draft.
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He was pretty good. Thought he did pretty well even though his linemates didn’t give him much to work with.
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Is this the incident you're talking about?
"This is the f***ing issue. You guys f***ing bitch about shit." So, really, it's just telling Matthews and Marner to stop complaining so much to the refs. Is this really a big deal?
Obviously the glove throwing at the end looks kind of childish, but other than that, is there really an actual problem here with Marner?
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It's the giving up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd for a guy like Knies that is just insane. Good player, but that would basically wind up being a deal of almost an entire draft class for a guy that doesn't make us a contender and doesn't fill an immediate need for the roster - all while playing the least valuable position in the sport as a winger. And your bonus for that is that you still have to pay him a huge contract to go with it.
If we're playing the offersheet game, keep it inside the 2nd round range and I am good. I think that is where you can manage risk and add value to the lineup. I will beat the drum that I have for well over a month that I think we should play the Cuylle offersheet card at $4.5M (something NYR can't afford) and get a top 9 winger at age 23 for a 2nd round pick.
Basically would turn the Zetterlund deal into Zetterlund for a younger/better Zetterlund + Ostapchuk.
That would be 86 passes before a shot attempt.
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The problems with signing Marner:
1 - He's re-signing in Toronto, this exercise is a waste of time
2 - He isn't a good enough player to turn us into a competitive team by himself so giving him the massive overpayment it would take to convince him to sign with a back-to-back last place team would complicate our salary ledger for a minimal material return
3 - It would completely remove any agency the front office would have in attempting to create an internal cap structure, the same thing happened in Toronto when they signed Tavares, Matthews was a better player by the end of his ELC so they had to pay him more, Celebrini will be better than Marner by the time his ELC ends and we will have repeated their mistake
4 - While he's a MUCH better defensive player, Marner's offensive strengths are completely redundant to Will Smith's play style, Marner would bring us a massive increase in talent but he simply doesn't have any skillset that our young pieces lack, he is minimally additive
PLEASE spend money on a defenseman instead, for the love of God, even a less talented center or a winger with physicality would be a more valuable long term addition through free agency, I have no interest in giving Mitch Marner $15M+ until he is 34 years old just so he can help turn us into the 6th worst team in the league
1 - He's re-signing in Toronto, this exercise is a waste of time
2 - He isn't a good enough player to turn us into a competitive team by himself so giving him the massive overpayment it would take to convince him to sign with a back-to-back last place team would complicate our salary ledger for a minimal material return
3 - It would completely remove any agency the front office would have in attempting to create an internal cap structure, the same thing happened in Toronto when they signed Tavares, Matthews was a better player by the end of his ELC so they had to pay him more, Celebrini will be better than Marner by the time his ELC ends and we will have repeated their mistake
4 - While he's a MUCH better defensive player, Marner's offensive strengths are completely redundant to Will Smith's play style, Marner would bring us a massive increase in talent but he simply doesn't have any skillset that our young pieces lack, he is minimally additive
PLEASE spend money on a defenseman instead, for the love of God, even a less talented center or a winger with physicality would be a more valuable long term addition through free agency, I have no interest in giving Mitch Marner $15M+ until he is 34 years old just so he can help turn us into the 6th worst team in the league
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Has the top UFA of a year ever signed with the worst team in the league during the summer?
Probably not THE WORST team, but I do remember Johnny Hockey signing with Columbus, who was a bad team.
jarr92
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They were 21st out of 32, and became worse in Gaudreau's first season with them.
While he wasn't great that first year, I remember Columbus sucking simply because they were absolutely hammered with injuries. Didn't Werenski only play like 10 games that year?
Anyways, that's the closest I could find.
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To me, it's quite simple: when it comes to high-end free agents, beggars can't be choosers.
The Sharks have historically been beggars on that front. So if an opportunity like Marner presents itself, yes, you may have questions and concerns, but at his talent level (and age), I'd bite your arm off for him. You're massively adding talent without relinquishing any assets (except cap space).
I should be clear that I don't believe Marner signing with the Sharks is realistic, but that's sort of the point: if something seemingly unrealistic does become an actual possibility, how can you say no to it?
The Sharks have historically been beggars on that front. So if an opportunity like Marner presents itself, yes, you may have questions and concerns, but at his talent level (and age), I'd bite your arm off for him. You're massively adding talent without relinquishing any assets (except cap space).
I should be clear that I don't believe Marner signing with the Sharks is realistic, but that's sort of the point: if something seemingly unrealistic does become an actual possibility, how can you say no to it?
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I don't see why Marner would sign in San Jose when Utah is likely going to throw a ton of money at him with a 5% state income tax. Just my thought. I don't think he will sign in Utah either, I think he stays in Toronto but I feel like he will have way better opportunities than San Jose
SjMilhouse
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Yeah I just don't see a scenario where Marner's priorities align to San Jose vs a number of other teams. He can make as much or more else where, he can be on a team way closer to contention elsewhere, and he can find a quiet city (SLC) elsewhere too.
Sure, but while SLC is closer to playoff contention, can anyone honestly look at their team and their prospects and deduce they’ve got SC potential? Granted, potential means nothing, but is his goal then just dragging a fringe team into more than just a WC spot or joining up with a squad building something special?
Keep in mind, I’ve made it clear I think brining him here would be a bad idea.
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Oh I don't disagree, I'm of the opinion to not sign him myself because I want to give it at least another year if not 2 before we go big. I just know following Utah they are likely big game hunting and I can't see someone like Marner picking San Jose over a Utah even if I think Utah will struggle to bring in FAs as well
