How about “someone traded someone who was like a brother to me, and not in the way black people use the word brother”
Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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I nominate Mike Grier be that someone. “Well, actually, William…” I see only positive outcomes.
The Nemesis
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"They traded someone who's like family to me" works just fine.
The Nemesis
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Grier popping up with some glasses and a tweet jacket with leather elbow patches to play "Michael Grier, English Teacher" would be fantastic.
tiburon12
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Sorry Nem, but Tweet Jacket is gonna stick
Hodge
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Tkachuk was an arb eligible RFA 1 year away from UFA status. He had the ability to just sign his QO or accept a 1 year arb award to walk straight to free agency. Eklund can't do any of that.
The Nemesis
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Nah. It'll get replaced with X jacket and then it'll fall apart.
Jargon
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A package including Eklund is a no brainer. I would not want to include Dick though. Cagnoni? the two first rounders?
Ek+Cags+dal 1st+edm 1st?
Seems reasonable. Only problem is that he is signed for just 3 more years, and is already basically 25. So he's a bit too old
It would suck to make that deal only to still stink the next few years, and then lose him to UFA, right when we are entering our prime competitive window. That's why I would be surprised to see Grier pull the trigger on any major trade for someone 25+. It makes little sense to make the big deal for a 25 year old now, when you have basically thrown in the towel on next year already. Instead, Grier can sign some short term UFAs, wait to see how the team/kids perform in '25-'26, and then make a more informed judgement about team needs and competitive timelines around TDL/Summer '26.
if the kids do well and the teams is surprisingly competitive next year (possible with Smith/Celly in their second years, askarov as the starting G, possibly strong rookie years from musty/cherny/dick, a few UFA adds), then grier can accelerate the PO push timeline.
If they are, once again, dead last or nearly so, then Grier can sell the UFAs at the TDL and have a better idea of the timeline to make the PO push. In short, I think there is too much uncertainty right now to trade major futures (Eklund, 1st rounders, etc) on a 25+ top 4D now. Once the kids show signs of life to compete WITHOUT the top 4D, then you can trade futures to add that player or two to put you over the top. Makes little sense to trade major futures to go from dead last to 8th to last.
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What? Dahlin is signed for 7 more years and he's 24. He's everything we hope Schaefer might become and he's above the reasonable ceiling for Dickinson. He's going to cost Infinity. Maybe I'm over the price but I doubt it, at least before his trade protection kicks in next year. Would be curious other thoughts. I don't think your package gets it done.A package including Eklund is a no brainer. I would not want to include Dick though. Cagnoni? the two first rounders?
Ek+Cags+dal 1st+edm 1st?
Seems reasonable. Only problem is that he is signed for just 3 more years, and is already basically 25. So he's a bit too old
It would suck to make that deal only to still stink the next few years, and then lose him to UFA, right when we are entering our prime competitive window. That's why I would be surprised to see Grier pull the trigger on any major trade for someone 25+. It makes little sense to make the big deal for a 25 year old now, when you have basically thrown in the towel on next year already. Instead, Grier can sign some short term UFAs, wait to see how the team/kids perform in '25-'26, and then make a more informed judgement about team needs and competitive timelines around TDL/Summer '26.
if the kids do well and the teams is surprisingly competitive next year (possible with Smith/Celly in their second years, askarov as the starting G, possibly strong rookie years from musty/cherny/dick, a few UFA adds), then grier can accelerate the PO push timeline.
If they are, once again, dead last or nearly so, then Grier can sell the UFAs at the TDL and have a better idea of the timeline to make the PO push. In short, I think there is too much uncertainty right now to trade major futures (Eklund, 1st rounders, etc) on a 25+ top 4D now. Once the kids show signs of life to compete WITHOUT the top 4D, then you can trade futures to add that player or two to put you over the top. Makes little sense to trade major futures to go from dead last to 8th to last.
If Dahlin is available there would be some crazy trade packages to beat
weastern bias
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If he wants out of the Sabres what makes you think he'd be happy in San Jose?
"I want a trade, I'm tired of playing for the worst team in the East!"
*monkey's paw curls*
"I want a trade, I'm tired of playing for the worst team in the East!"
*monkey's paw curls*
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Yeah, I honestly think that Eklund will be better because of this. I think his mentality and the "tired of losing" stuff from his availability is exactly the kick in the pants some of our young core needed. If you're losing and things remain comfortable, it's easy to keep losing.
I think this gives some of these guys the fire to step up another level so they don't have to see their buddies traded away at the next trade deadline because we're at the bottom of the league again. Not saying they didn't want to win prior, but it contextualizes it and provides consequence for losing that might not have been there otherwise.
Think we take a big step next year barring bad injury luck as the youngsters take a step and that incentivizes Grier to start to push his chips in a little more to start winning. Think everyone is awake and ready after this deadline/pre-deadline.
Bad team does not equal bad management. Buffalo is managed by idiots. Grier had to rebuild. Buffalo has been rebuilding for 20 years. There's a difference.
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I don't think players care about that, they just want to be in the best possible situation in the immediate moment
If Dahlin is really asking out (unconfirmed) then it is because he wants to win games and play meaningful hockey, that won't happen hear for at lest a few more years even if we added him
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If they decide to move on, and they move him before his trade protection, it doesn't matter what he wants and instead matters the package... if BUF is willing to take a young stud (Ek) and a bunch of high value futures, then the Sharks will have a good chance at the best package. If they want an existing star, then for sure we won't be able to beat out whatever he goes for.
FWIW, while I agree with you that there are a lot better setups in the league for winning now / playing meaningful hockey now, there aren't many better setups for how good the team could be in 4-5 years from now.
There's honestly only two things I wouldn't put on the table for Dahlin and that's Celebrini and the 2025 1st. I'd be okay with moving Smith or Askarov if that's what it took to get a deal done. I'd be throwing the kitchen sink at the Sabres to get a deal done for Dahlin.
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another name i wonder about, Charlie McAvoy in Boston. If Boston is going no where fast as it appears, how much would they be looking for to get him?
Would be in the right age range, plays the right side, could stabilize that right side for a while
Would be in the right age range, plays the right side, could stabilize that right side for a while
I like Charlie, but i feel he's regressed. I imagine to get him would require A couple firsts and a good prospect like Musty.
I see no reason not to include Askarov in the untouchables. We have virtually no one else in the system and as we've seen with so many teams, not having a decent goalie is how you stay bad. You can ultimately find enough decent D-men to ice a good squad, especially if we end up with Schafer. Losing Asky would set us back more than anything.
I do and it's Rasmus Dahlin. Getting a real top defenseman is much harder than getting adequate goaltending to compete. Finding a replacement for Askarov will prove a much easier task than getting anyone to be what Dahlin is. We spent a 6th to get good goaltending out of Blackwood and it didn't really make a dent in how competitive the team really was. If we ended up with Dahlin and Schaefer, we would actually have the elements to build a good team where we don't need either an elite goalie or a goalie on a heater to just stay in games. Losing Asky would set us back to a degree but it's a solution that is easier to find than getting someone like Dahlin. Even Schaefer is not guaranteed to be at Dahlin's level.
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If all it took was Smith or Askarov to get Dahlin and you'd say no to that then so be it but that seems pretty silly to me.
We got lucky with Blackwood and were essentially gifted Askarov. If we walk out of this whole rebuild with not only neither but a complete black hole again in nets then we'll still be struggling to climb out of the basement. The potential and stability of what Asky brings is invaluable, unless you wanna just watch the team continue to bring in the Georgies, Vanaceks and Khakkonens all the time.
I'd give up Smith straight up for Dahlin before Askarov. If Askarov was the ask, I'd want at least Levi coming back (as part of the trade).
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