Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Star Platinum]

I don't know who our second goalie will be next year, but I'm glad that I have 17 games at most left in my life of having to watch Georgiev play for us.

 

[timorous me]

I don't know who our second goalie will be next year, but I'm glad that I have 17 games at most left in my life of having to watch Georgiev play for us.

If Askarov returns in two or three weeks--let's say either Boston on the 22nd or Toronto on the 27th--it's possible we see Georgiev 10 or fewer times this year thanks to the bonus Tuesdays the Sharks have off later this month.

 

[vilpertti]

I don't know who our second goalie will be next year, but I'm glad that I have 17 games at most left in my life of having to watch Georgiev play for us.

Inb4 two year extension, 4M per.

 

[TheBeard]

After the next two games (Chicago, Nashville) the sharks only have 5 remaining games against non-playoff teams out of 15, and two of those are against teams just outside WC2 (Rangers and Canucks).

It's gonna be a bumpy end.

 

[Star Platinum]

Inb4 two year extension, 4M per.

 

[coooldude]

After the next two games (Chicago, Nashville) the sharks only have 5 remaining games against non-playoff teams out of 15, and two of those are against teams just outside WC2 (Rangers and Canucks).

It's gonna be a bumpy end.

Currently 10th hardest ROS SOS, but to your point, after Chi/Nash may shoot up.

The most important thing at this point is how that matches up to CHI -- who has the 23rd hardest ROS SOS, only playing WPG, WSH, VGK, COLx2, and LAK.

I, for one, just want us to get to 20 wins and over 50 points... 3 more wins, 2 more OTL's. It's modest... I would have preferred 65 points, but we are where we are.

 

[Bizz]

I don't know who our second goalie will be next year, but I'm glad that I have 17 games at most left in my life of having to watch Georgiev play for us.

Probably Carriere.

 

[DG93]

Currently 10th hardest ROS SOS, but to your point, after Chi/Nash may shoot up.

The most important thing at this point is how that matches up to CHI -- who has the 23rd hardest ROS SOS, only playing WPG, WSH, VGK, COLx2, and LAK.

I, for one, just want us to get to 20 wins and over 50 points... 3 more wins, 2 more OTL's. It's modest... I would have preferred 65 points, but we are where we are.

I get wanting 65 points, but this team was never going improve by almost 20 points even with adding some high-upside rookies and solid veterans in the offseason. I think mid-high 50s is what I would have liked, but like you said, we are where we are...

 

[Lebanezer]

 

[coooldude]

I get wanting 65 points, but this team was never going improve by almost 20 points even with adding some high-upside rookies and solid veterans in the offseason. I think mid-high 50s is what I would have liked, but like you said, we are where we are...

Per this thread, median fan prediction was 61-65, and honestly, w/o the Blackwood trade and with just a handful of wins rather than blown leads, we get there.

You and I both were in the 61-65 slot

Looks like the pessimists will once again be correct, barring some surprise wins in the last 18.

 

[Jargon]

After listening to Sheng and Keegan and thinking a bit about Grier’s deadline, I’ve come to some conclusions.

I genuinely believe Grier traded Zetterlund to get Ostapchuk and that it had nothing to do with money because what I think Grier is doing is trying to build this team in a very methodical, unemotional way.

He came in with a plan (Grierzyplan) and is pursuing it relentlessly.

From what I gather, his priorities were:

1C - check.
2C - check (we hope).
Top Dman: took a swing with Dickinson. I’m sure Schaefer is the prize.
Star goalie: Askarov

I think the next big piece for him was that defensive 3C that can shut down top competition. He got Edstrom and Bystedt. Edstrom he had to trade for the star goalie that outweighed the 3C and even if he’s still high on Bystedt, it’s obvious that Ostapchuk, to them, is another swing at this 3C position which appears to be essential to the Grier plan.

His #1 goal is to build the spine of the future team and he is doing anything he can to make it happen. Competing is a distant second, he wants to build a long-term winner.

I think if everything works out perfectly, that spine is:

?? - Celebrini - ???
?? - Smith - ??
?? - Ostapchuk - ??

Schaefer - ??
Dickinson - ??

Askarov

Aside from Schaefer, this plan seems to almost be complete (if all of these guys work out of course). That’s why he said he’s done selling and why I don’t think he’s going to ship out Eklund (unless we DON’T get Schaefer, in which case I expect every single wing prospect, Ek included, to be up for trade for a 1D).

it’s also why I believe him when he says he’s going to be bringing in guys this summer. He still needs all the prospects to grow into their roles but now that the skeleton of the team is mostly in place, I think he’s going to start focusing on making the on-ice product better to help Celebrini and Co. keep developing. He seems to be entering Phase 2 of his plan.

I expect this summer he’s going to try to fill out the top 6 in FA/trade (Boeser? Marner? Sam Bennett? etc) and build out the defense (the how of this will all depend on the Schaefer sweepstakes) a bit. We still won’t be good but i expect us to be 5-8th worst, not THE worst, while prospects like Musty, Haltunnen, Chernyshov, Lund, Bystedt, etc. get auditions to see if they can steal spots.

 

[weastern bias]

Per this thread, median fan prediction was 61-65, and honestly, w/o the Blackwood trade and with just a handful of wins rather than blown leads, we get there.

You and I both were in the 61-65 slot

Looks like the pessimists will once again be correct, barring some surprise wins in the last 18.

NEVER belive in the best, pessimism always comes through

 

[Skeksis25]

If Ostapchuk can actually become a competent 3C in that he is responsible defensively, wins faceoffs and kills penalties, he is significantly more valuable even as a 10g, 20p player than Zetterlund. Zetterlund is bad defensively, does not kill penalties and is a winger. Will Ostapchuk actually become a regular 3C in this league? Who knows? But what they hope he becomes is far more valuable than what Zetterlund is. You can easily replace Zetterlund. Fans embraced Zetterlund cause him emerging made the Timo trade look even better, but lets be real. He is no one special in terms of team building.

 

[DG93]

Per this thread, median fan prediction was 61-65, and honestly, w/o the Blackwood trade and with just a handful of wins rather than blown leads, we get there.

You and I both were in the 61-65 slot

Looks like the pessimists will once again be correct, barring some surprise wins in the last 18.

Yeah lol, was way too optimistic this past offseason...after watching this team for the first few months, became clear that 60s wasn't gonna happen.

 

[Star Platinum]

If Ostapchuk can actually become a competent 3C in that he is responsible defensively, wins faceoffs and kills penalties, he is significantly more valuable even as a 10g, 20p player than Zetterlund. Zetterlund is bad defensively, does not kill penalties and is a winger. Will Ostapchuk actually become a regular 3C in this league? Who knows? But what they hope he becomes is far more valuable than what Zetterlund is. You can easily replace Zetterlund. Fans embraced Zetterlund cause him emerging made the Timo trade look even better, but lets be real. He is no one special in terms of team building.

Right now, Ostapchuk has 4 points in 50 career games with Ottawa. 20 points is a ways off for him if it ever happens at all.

 

[Patty Ice]

I see a lot of people penciling in Ostapchuk as the future 3rd line C but he is as much as Kunin was. Yea, he can play it but you want it as a short term solution. I still think Bystedt is the better fit long term, Ostapchuk would be better out at wing.

Come to think of it, he might be this boards new Kunin a hundredfold pretty soon. We gave up a 3rd for Kunin, we gave up Zetts for Osty.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I see a lot of people penciling in Ostapchuk as the future 3rd line C but he is as much as Kunin was. Yea, he can play it but you want it as a short term solution. I still think Bystedt is the better fit long term, Ostapchuk would be better out at wing.

Come to think of it, he might be this boards new Kunin a hundredfold pretty soon. We gave up a 3rd for Kunin, we gave up Zetts for Osty.

I’m having a hard time even projecting Ostapchuk as an NHL’er at this stage but he’ll get an opportunity I’m sure. I’m not expecting the return to be anything meaningful but middle six wingers are relatively easy to replace and easy to allow for developing prospects like Graf get a chance.

 

[Friday]

I’m having a hard time even projecting Ostapchuk as an NHL’er at this stage but he’ll get an opportunity I’m sure. I’m not expecting the return to be anything meaningful but middle six wingers are relatively easy to replace and easy to allow for developing prospects like Graf get a chance.

I like the way Graf plays, responsible and has a motor while growing in confidence with the puck. Im not sure what everyone else thinks of him but he does seem like a bottom 6er with upside. Seems like Ostapchuk has similar AHL production so maybe something is there? Or im just blinded because the Sharks are so terrible I dont know what decent is anymore haha

 

[Patty Ice]

I’m having a hard time even projecting Ostapchuk as an NHL’er at this stage but he’ll get an opportunity I’m sure. I’m not expecting the return to be anything meaningful but middle six wingers are relatively easy to replace and easy to allow for developing prospects like Graf get a chance.

I'd say he projects a bit better than a guy like Wetsch or Svoboda. He has a lot of good physical attributes to carve out a role in the NHL as well as high character that can be useful both on the ice and locker room.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'd say he projects a bit better than a guy like Wetsch or Svoboda. He has a lot of good physical attributes to carve out a role in the NHL as well as high character that can be useful both on the ice and locker room.

Probably but I don’t know how much that says here. I’ll take anything we can get and hope for the best but it feels like a lot of the utility in this trade is the 2nd.