Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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You ideally want your 3rd liners to also be your best penalty killers, so you can have them kill off penalties and then have the top lines jump on to try to build momentum. I don't know if Zett is incapable of it, but the team has never used him as a PKer. Its a big reason why maybe GMMG didn't view him as an "ideal 3rd line W" and specially for 6-7m+ if that is what he is looking for. If Ostapchuk can be a solid PKer, win draws and play physical, he might actually end up more valuable than Zett even if he is only a 15-20 point a year guy.

After sleeping on it and hearing about his character traits, I am starting to feel less mad about the trade. Willing to give him a fair shot when he comes up rather than just being mad that we got rid of Zetterlund for him.
 
Life is meaningless and Sharks hockey is pain. If Celebrini can be our 18 year old #1C then Schaefer can be our 18 year old #2D. I don't even care anymore.

Ironically, NYR acquiring Soucy/Borgen/JT Miller and the Shesterkin contract puts them right back in the cap hell it seemed they'd escaped by moving out Goodrow and Trouba. Maybe stealing Cuylle via 2nd round pick level offersheet is back on?

I wonder if Dickinson is going to get the Smith treatment on the bottom pairing next year too. In which case, if we could grab some vets in an FA monetary overpay/fewer years, it might actually make the defense fun. Probably full of mistakes but fun!

So much of this franchise’s rebuild hinges on us getting Schaefer right now…
 
Okay, so back to defensemen. Here's literally every player who could be a realistic trade target, even guys I don't want:

BUF- Bowen Byram (RFA 2025, UFA 2027)
BUF- Owen Power ($8.35M until the end of time)
FLA- Niko Mikkola ($2.5M until 2026, then UFA)
LAK- Jordan Spence ($1.5M until 2026, then RFA)
LAK- Brandt Clarke (ELC, RFA 2026)
MIN- Jared Spurgeon ($7.575M until 2027, 10-team NTC)
MTL- Alexandre Carrier ($3.75M until 2027)
MTL- Kaiden Guhle ($5.5M until forever)
NJ- Seamus Casey (ELC)
NJ- Simon Nemec (ELC)
NYI- Noah Dobson (RFA 2025, UFA 2026)
NYI- Alexander Romanov (RFA 2025, UFA 2026)
NYI- Ryan Pulock ($6.15M until the end of time, full NTC)
NYI- Scott Mayfield ($3.5M until the end of time, full NTC)
NYR- K'Andre Miller (RFA 2025, UFA 2027)
NYR- Zac Jones (RFA 2025)
OTT- Nick Jensen ($4.05M, UFA 2026)
PHI- Rasmus Ristolainen ($5.1M, UFA 2027)
PHI- Cam York (RFA 2025)
TBL- JJ Moser ($3.375M, RFA 2026)
UTHC- Sean Durzi ($6M til 2028)
UTHC- Matthew Kesselring (RFA 2026)
VGK- Zach Whitecloud ($2.75M until 2028)
VGK- Kaeden Korczak (RFA 2026)
WAS- Trevor Van Reimsdyk ($3M, UFA 2026)

Now, if you remove guys who are under 6'2", which I will since it's obvious Grier doesn't value anyone under 6'2", here's the list:

Power, Mikkola, Guhle, Dobson, Pulock, Mayfield, Miller, Jensen, Ristolainen, Kesselring, Whitecloud, Korczak, TVR

Truly, a thrilling group. I think the best/most attainable options amongst this group are Dobson, Miller (if we don't get Schaefer), Kesselring, and Whitecloud. Dobson if the Isles are hedging giving him a big contract (Grier would absolutely need to feel out his demands before trading for him), Miller for the same reason, Kesselring if Utah wants to make space for Lamoureux, Whitecloud for cap relief/to promote Korczak.

UFAs that won't command max term deals that are mildly interesting are Orlov, Fabbro, Schmidt.

The best case scenario is probably something like:

Schaefer-Kesselring
Mukhamadullin-Fabbro
Ferraro-Liljegren
Desharnais
Thrun
Vlasic

And that takes a lot of luck and finessing...
Just my read watching a lot of Utah games, I don't see them moving either of those guys (next year) but it will be interesting to see what they do long term since they have some young guys coming.

My guess is they let Bortuzzo walk in the offseason but they just resigned Maata for 3 years and Cole for 1 year. They still have Lamoureux who looked pretty decent in limited minutes earlier this year and Simashev who is likely coming to the team next year (AHL).

I think they are at least a year, if not two, away from making any moves on D. I'm guessing they let Cole walk next year though. I've also not been super blown away by Kesselring so I'd be more interested in Durzi and I feel like he's the easier of the two to acquire.

Honestly, I'd rather target Marino. He's been fantastic since he returned from injury but I don't see Utah moving him at all.

Not sure if anyone plays on their offside, I don't pay that close attention, but unless they want to bring Maverick up, I don't see BA changing much. Their team defense has been really really good since Marino and Durzi came back and they are finally at full health.

I don't know what it would cost, but I think Lamoureux could be an interesting target and he fits the timeline really well

Edit: I'll add this, I'm not sure Utah would be a good partner simply based on the fact I think BA is looking to make a splash with win now talent and not futures. I don't see them being interested in picks/prospects
 
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Just my read watching a lot of Utah games, I don't see them moving either of those guys (next year) but it will be interesting to see what they do long term since they have some young guys coming.

My guess is they let Bortuzzo walk in the offseason but they just resigned Maata for 3 years and Cole for 1 year. They still have Lamoureux who looked pretty decent in limited minutes earlier this year and Simashev who is likely coming to the team next year (AHL).

I think they are at least a year, if not two, away from making any moves on D. I'm guessing they let Cole walk next year though. I've also not been super blown away by Kesselring so I'd be more interested in Durzi and I feel like he's the easier of the two to acquire.

Honestly, I'd rather target Marino. He's been fantastic since he returned from injury but I don't see Utah moving him at all.

Not sure if anyone plays on their offside, I don't pay that close attention, but unless they want to bring Maverick up, I don't see BA changing much. Their team defense has been really really good since Marino and Durzi came back and they are finally at full health.

I don't know what it would cost, but I think Lamoureux could be an interesting target and he fits the timeline really well

Edit: I'll add this, I'm not sure Utah would be a good partner simply based on the fact I think BA is looking to make a splash with win now talent and not futures. I don't see them being interested in picks/prospects
All fair points, and I would be equally happy with Durzi or Marino, I just don't think they're Grier targets.

I was just thinking that something has to break at RHD if they want Lamoureux to be NHL full-time next year.
 
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dont know if this has been mentioned but is Ostapchuk starting in the A or he just down there until he can come over? would be weird to not give him an opportunity considering our depth rn
 
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dont know if this has been mentioned but is Ostapchuk starting in the A or he just down there until he can come over? would be weird to not give him an opportunity considering our depth rn
Depends on who else we decide to call up. We have four spots under normal circumstances and we need to save one for Askarov, at least one for a defenseman, and that leaves two slots open for forwards (under anticipated circumstances).
 
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I wonder if Dickinson is going to get the Smith treatment on the bottom pairing next year too. In which case, if we could grab some vets in an FA monetary overpay/fewer years, it might actually make the defense fun. Probably full of mistakes but fun!

So much of this franchise’s rebuild hinges on us getting Schaefer right now…

Man, I hope not. Not that you are wrong, but I feel like we got our lottery luck last year and we are certainly not getting it again this year. I fully expect to pick 2 or 3. Hopefully 2 cause Misa seems to be a very solid consolation prize right now. Or who knows, maybe Chicago picks 1 and we pick 2 and they feel Misa is more attractive to pair with Bedard cause they already picked a D last year.

But my point is I hope GMMG isn't staking the whole rebuild on landing Schaefer.
 
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I just saw this hockey stack card for Simon Nemec for his last game against the Jets. Maybe we could trade for him to become our tank commander.
 
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I just saw this hockey stack card for Simon Nemec for his last game against the Jets. Maybe we could trade for him to become our tank commander.
All jokes aside, I was reserving myself from having a strong opinion on Nemec until just reading that one major knock on him is a lack of urgency and accountability. No thanks, please no.
 
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I just saw this hockey stack card for Simon Nemec for his last game against the Jets. Maybe we could trade for him to become our tank commander.
All jokes aside, I was reserving myself from having a strong opinion on Nemec until just reading that one major knock on him is a lack of urgency and accountability. No thanks, please no.
Yeah, his luster is wearing off fast. Looking more like a reclamation project at this point, but maybe a trade would wake him up? He's still just 21, some kids aren't that mature at that age.
 
I think the zetterlund trade told us all what Grier is thinking, and I think the lottery balls may dictate to a degree what Grier does/does not attempt to acquire this summer (if he gets schaefer, he may look to add more young forwards. If Misa, then young D is the top target). However, the future roster became pretty obvious in grier's mind's eye. mack-Smith-Ostapchuk down the middle. Big and Powerful wingers (cherny, musty, haltunnen) and Eklund flanking Smith and Celly. Dick, Mukh, Thompson, Thrun as the big 4 on D, though Havelid, Cagnoni, Pohlcamp, LSW may get a chance.

I think The D is the main area of focus at this point, and Grier said so himself. He pointedly did NOT talk about Cagnoni almost at all, even when a question was posed about him.

I also think he might rush up the kids, much like smith:

Down the middle: Celebrini, Smith, Ostapchuk, bystedt
Top 6 Wings: Eklund, Musty, Chernshov, Graf, Haltunnen, Cardwell... Lund may move to wing to start.
D: Schaefer, Dick, Mukh, Thompson, Thrun, Cagnoni, Pohlcamp... Possibly LSW/Havelid/Landen/Roberts/Misskey.

Ostapchuk and Bystedt give size down the middle. Cherny, Musty, and Haltunnen are also pretty large. Lund is good size at 6'2.
If they lose the lottery, they select Misa/Martone, and that completes the top 6 wings, and the D is where an acquisition or two has to happen. I get the feeling that Cagnoni and Bystedt are now the biggest pro-level trade chips, along with draft capital, to acquire another core piece: Likely a top 4 D under 23. Could a deal of Cagnoni, Bystedt, Thrun, and Edmonton 1st rounder be enough to land a young top Dman this summer?

Obviously, I cannot imagine this team taking shape for a few years, but then again, they rushed smith and while the adjustment took half a year or so, he did make it and is now establishing himself as a legit top 6 forward. I wonder if they dont put Musty, Cherny, Dick, Ostapchuk and Cardwell on the starting roster in October. Schaefer or Misa if they draft them too might go straight in. While burning an ELC year kinda sucks, the brain trust seems to think that the NHL is a good developmental league, so they may throw the kids straight in.

If they do put musty (20), cherny (19), cardwell (23), Ostapchuk (22), and say, misa (18) straight in, that would be 5 forwards. Add in smith (20), celebrini (19) Eklund (23), Graf (23), Toffoli, Kovalenko, and Wennberg, (along with Goodrow, Dyll, and Grund) and the forward roster is complete without a single UFA signing. It would also would have to be the yougest top 9F in the history of the sport (9 forwards all 23 or younger including 5 at 20 or younger and then toff, wenn, kovy).

The D would be the area to add but they may put Dick straight in. Dick and Mukh are the base. Schaefer if they get him too. But I would expect him to add here as I didnt get the sense that Thomspon or Thrun seem to fit long term. I expect a trade/UFA signing and if they lose the lottery, then draft Misa/martone and likely use the #30 (dallas) and #33 (ours) on D with size, especially solid in our own zone (not necessarily offensively): Blake Fiddler, Kurban Limatov, Sascha Boumedienne types.

In sum, it seems quite obvious given Giles, Ostapchuk, and Desharnais adds that grier wants size and toughness over pure skill. he even said that a team of celebrinis and smiths would not be good!! Clearly, Size and toughness is the focus for grier, and he obviously is clearing space long term for the hulking wingers he has drafted. I expect he will use all the top 4 picks this year (or at least 3) to complete the pool with another high end D (schaefer) and two more wingers or a top winger and two more D, depending on the lottery.
 
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BTW, I wonder what Grier is thinking of Pohlcamp too. He is crushing it on an elite program in Denver, producing well on par with Buium (a few fewer points, but +9 above him). I wish I could see his TOI, but I expect its gotta be in the top 2 or 3 with Buium, and maybe Buckberger?

Watching pohlcamp at the summer camp, he really stood out. High motor, great speed, tough as nails. Not tall, but strong. Grier talked about Lund going pro shortly, but I wonder the plan for Pohlcamp. I think he has top 4, two way D written all over him! love that he transferred to denver to play for carle, and love that he is crushing it there. hes just about to turn 21.... Dark horse to make the squad straight out next year?
 
Guys needing new contracts:

Goalies: RFA: Carriere, Romanov. UFA: Georgiev. (non-NHL) UFA: St-Hilaire.

Defense: RFA: Mukhamadullin, Thompson. UFA: Rutta, Schuldt. UFA: Bucheler, Frisch, Hache, Keane.

Forwards: RFA: Berglund*, Bordeleau*, Burke, Coe*, Gregor*, Gushchin, Kostin*, Kovalenko*, Russell. UFA: Duehr, Sabourin, White. UFA6: Regenda. UFA: Carroll, Granger, Houle, Vanroboys, Vincent, White.

RFAs: 2+2+9 (6F with arb rights)
UFA6: 1
UFA: 1+2+3
AHL UFA: 1+4+6
 
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BTW, I wonder what Grier is thinking of Pohlcamp too. He is crushing it on an elite program in Denver, producing well on par with Buium (a few fewer points, but +9 above him). I wish I could see his TOI, but I expect its gotta be in the top 2 or 3 with Buium, and maybe Buckberger?

Watching pohlcamp at the summer camp, he really stood out. High motor, great speed, tough as nails. Not tall, but strong. Grier talked about Lund going pro shortly, but I wonder the plan for Pohlcamp. I think he has top 4, two way D written all over him! love that he transferred to denver to play for carle, and love that he is crushing it there. hes just about to turn 21.... Dark horse to make the squad straight out next year?
I'm guessing he goes back to DU for another season but I could definitely see him stepping into the NHL after that. Not sure he has top 4 potential but he's a better prospect than Cagnoni.
 
Guys needing new contracts:

Goalies: RFA: Carriere, Romanov. UFA: Georgiev. (non-NHL) UFA: St-Hilaire.

Defense: RFA: Mukhamadullin, Thompson. UFA: Rutta, Schuldt. UFA: Bucheler, Frisch, Hache, Keane.

Forwards: RFA: Berglund*, Bordeleau*, Burke, Coe*, Gregor*, Gushchin, Kostin*, Kovalenko*, Russell. UFA: Duehr, Sabourin, White. UFA6: Regenda. UFA: Carroll, Granger, Houle, Vanroboys, Vincent, White.

RFAs: 2+2+9 (6F with arb rights)
UFA6: 1
UFA: 1+2+3
AHL UFA: 1+4+6
The only guy really worth keeping on this entire list is Mukhamadullin.
 
How are we going to hit the cap floor?

We have 30.3M in forwards, 16.3M in defense, 2M for goalies, 5M in buyouts. (This includes 15M of dead cap for Vlasic and Couture).

I believe only the "active" roster (in our case, i guess including vlasic and couture) counts, so I think that we have spent 30.3M + 16.3M + 2M = 48.6M....

The cap floor is 70.6M.

How are we going to spend 22M??? Assuming we go the re-signing route,

Kostin is 1M?
Gregor is 1M?
Kovalenko is 2M?
Mukh is 2M?

leaving 16M of mandatory spend.
 
Okay, so back to defensemen. Here's literally every player who could be a realistic trade target, even guys I don't want:

BUF- Bowen Byram (RFA 2025, UFA 2027)
BUF- Owen Power ($8.35M until the end of time)
FLA- Niko Mikkola ($2.5M until 2026, then UFA)
LAK- Jordan Spence ($1.5M until 2026, then RFA)
LAK- Brandt Clarke (ELC, RFA 2026)
MIN- Jared Spurgeon ($7.575M until 2027, 10-team NTC)
MTL- Alexandre Carrier ($3.75M until 2027)
MTL- Kaiden Guhle ($5.5M until forever)
NJ- Seamus Casey (ELC)
NJ- Simon Nemec (ELC)
NYI- Noah Dobson (RFA 2025, UFA 2026)
NYI- Alexander Romanov (RFA 2025, UFA 2026)
NYI- Ryan Pulock ($6.15M until the end of time, full NTC)
NYI- Scott Mayfield ($3.5M until the end of time, full NTC)
NYR- K'Andre Miller (RFA 2025, UFA 2027)
NYR- Zac Jones (RFA 2025)
OTT- Nick Jensen ($4.05M, UFA 2026)
PHI- Rasmus Ristolainen ($5.1M, UFA 2027)
PHI- Cam York (RFA 2025)
TBL- JJ Moser ($3.375M, RFA 2026)
UTHC- Sean Durzi ($6M til 2028)
UTHC- Matthew Kesselring (RFA 2026)
VGK- Zach Whitecloud ($2.75M until 2028)
VGK- Kaeden Korczak (RFA 2026)
WAS- Trevor Van Reimsdyk ($3M, UFA 2026)

Now, if you remove guys who are under 6'2", which I will since it's obvious Grier doesn't value anyone under 6'2", here's the list:

Power, Mikkola, Guhle, Dobson, Pulock, Mayfield, Miller, Jensen, Ristolainen, Kesselring, Whitecloud, Korczak, TVR

Truly, a thrilling group. I think the best/most attainable options amongst this group are Dobson, Miller (if we don't get Schaefer), Kesselring, and Whitecloud. Dobson if the Isles are hedging giving him a big contract (Grier would absolutely need to feel out his demands before trading for him), Miller for the same reason, Kesselring if Utah wants to make space for Lamoureux, Whitecloud for cap relief/to promote Korczak.

UFAs that won't command max term deals that are mildly interesting are Orlov, Fabbro, Schmidt.

The best case scenario is probably something like:

Schaefer-Kesselring
Mukhamadullin-Fabbro
Ferraro-Liljegren
Desharnais
Thrun
Vlasic

And that takes a lot of luck and finessing...
0 chance Utah moves Kesselring. If that list I think most likely is Whitecloud, maybe Dobson. I also wonder if Chabot could be had.
 
Grier's infatuation with a singular physical attribute, in his case size, reminds me of how Al Davis used to prioritize speed when signing or drafting players, talent be damned.

Because of it the Raiders rarely won shit outside of a fluke SB run back in 2002.

I hope he figures out that this won't fly in the NHL before it's too late.
 
BTW, I wonder what Grier is thinking of Pohlcamp too. He is crushing it on an elite program in Denver, producing well on par with Buium (a few fewer points, but +9 above him). I wish I could see his TOI, but I expect its gotta be in the top 2 or 3 with Buium, and maybe Buckberger?
DU`s top3 ATOI:

Buium - 25:09
Pohlkamp - 21:51
Buckberger - 19:38
 

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