Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Kcoyote3]

Was the super obvious choice. However, with Askarov not being ready, curious what Grier does in this deal to get the backup situation taken care of.

Driedger probably.

 

[STL Shark]

Driedger probably.

My feelings are that teams in Cup or bust mode like FLA prefer having a 3rd goalie for in case of emergency. Feel like they'd like to keep Driedger around probably for that role. Could be wrong though. Vancouver had multiple goalies last year. Vegas had multiple injuries before Hill took over. Just seems like a spot where they'd probably like to keep the depth around.

 

[violaswallet]

Sounds like for Patrick Giles

 

[Kcoyote3]

Well that's certainly a return

 

[Juxtaposer]

Well that's certainly a return

One might go so far as to say it's one of the trade returns of all time.

 

[coooldude]

I think the only explanation is there was no market for Vitek, and Giles has a Warsofsky connection through Charlotte. This is basically one step above Future Considerations.

 

[OrrNumber4]

....I'd rather have kept Vanacek as a rubber absorber.

Though I suppose this saves Plattner real money, and does Vanacek a favor. Though, one can't help but think that the Boston-obsessed Grier is overvaluing Giles.

 

[Cas]

I think the only explanation is there was no market for Vitek, and Giles has a Warsofsky connection through Charlotte. This is basically one step above Future Considerations.

Giles is probably a better expected return than a 7th - I'd be curious to see how many 7th round picks turn into an AHL player - but that's about all I can say about it.

Maybe Giles can turn into a depth grinder, or maybe he's just meant to help the Barracuda (I don't believe he has AHL veteran status yet, and he's waiver-exempt). Either way, whatever, he's a return and obviously Vanacek had little value.

 

[hohosaregood]

I think the only explanation is there was no market for Vitek, and Giles has a Warsofsky connection through Charlotte. This is basically one step above Future Considerations.

Since he's reporting to the Cuda, might be prep for post deadline call ups. Cuda depth is pretty thin since we've taken Graf, Mukh, and Thompson. So if we trade Sturm and maybe call someone up, they're gonna be decimated.

 

[one2gamble]

so random, just saving Hasso some money I guess

 

[TheBeard]

Since he's reporting to the Cuda, might be prep for post deadline call ups. Cuda depth is pretty thin since we've taken Graf, Mukh, and Thompson. So if we trade Sturm and maybe call someone up, they're gonna be decimated.

Which means nothing since they’re clearly not trying to win a championship there, especially if and when Askarov gets the call.

 

[Hobocop]

Since he's reporting to the Cuda, might be prep for post deadline call ups. Cuda depth is pretty thin since we've taken Graf, Mukh, and Thompson. So if we trade Sturm and maybe call someone up, they're gonna be decimated.

Nah. Forward depth is still good on the Barracuda, it's the defense that needs another body. With Schuldt getting called up we're about to run our weakest defensive unit of the season tonight.

Wouldn't really surprise me if Giles never plays a game with the Barracuda and just takes over for Sturm rather than calling anyone up post-deadline. Which yeah, is a bit annoying to me.

 

[gaucholoco3]

One thing I like about Grier is he doesn’t try and extract absolute max value from every trade. This trade does Vanacek a favor and also helps Florida out. This trade earns good will with agents and other GMs and helps Grier be one of the guys called when a GM needs something done. This is probably how the Walman trade happened. Grier was contacted because Stevie Y wanted to move him and Grier said yes. Grier isn’t contacted by Stevie Y if he plays hardball with guys like Vanacek.

There is no need to “win” every trade especially these smaller trades.

 

[TheBeard]

One thing I like about Grier is he doesn’t try and extract absolute max value from every trade. This trade does Vanacek a favor and also helps Florida out. This trade earns good will with agents and other GMs and helps Grier be one of the guys called when a GM needs something done. This is probably how the Walman trade happened. Grier was contacted because Stevie Y wanted to move him and Grier said yes. Grier isn’t contacted by Stevie Y if he plays hardball with guys like Vanacek.

There is no need to “win” every trade especially these smaller trades.

No, but it’s odd since we don’t really have goaltending depth with Askarov injured.

 

[GRANdSharks]

He is ahl depth for when we call up guys post deadline, and we create room for askarov when he is healthy, seems like a win win trade for what vanecek was worth

 

[Shark Finn]

....I'd rather have kept Vanacek as a rubber absorber.

Though I suppose this saves Plattner real money, and does Vanacek a favor. Though, one can't help but think that the Boston-obsessed Grier is overvaluing Giles.

Technically, he'd be a rubber adsorber, not an absorber.

 

[Cas]

Since he's reporting to the Cuda, might be prep for post deadline call ups. Cuda depth is pretty thin since we've taken Graf, Mukh, and Thompson. So if we trade Sturm and maybe call someone up, they're gonna be decimated.

Right now, I have the Barracuda with:

Bordeleau - White - Giles
Gushchin - Potoularski - Cardwell
Duehr - Bystedt - Sabourin
Regenda- Robins - Coe
Pitlick - Houle - Vincent
Grainger - Burke - Russell
Guryev - Carroll

Kind of roughly ranked by order of call-up, rather than their actual lines or current injury status (if anyone has good overall lines, I'd be happy to know them). I'm including the ECHL guys here too.

Given their recent struggles, yeah, adding more ammo to this group is a good idea, and Giles will still be around next season. He's 74 games away from being an AHL veteran, so he'll be under that limit all of next season, and he's an RFA after that (so if he shows something, we can keep him).

I do think that's probably on par with a 7th, maybe even a 6th. This likely clears room for Askarov once he's healthy (with the Sharks' season ending before the Barracuda's, he'll be able to go back down for the Calder Cup playoffs just fine) and saves us some cash.

 

[STL Shark]

One thing I like about Grier is he doesn’t try and extract absolute max value from every trade. This trade does Vanacek a favor and also helps Florida out. This trade earns good will with agents and other GMs and helps Grier be one of the guys called when a GM needs something done. This is probably how the Walman trade happened. Grier was contacted because Stevie Y wanted to move him and Grier said yes. Grier isn’t contacted by Stevie Y if he plays hardball with guys like Vanacek.

There is no need to “win” every trade especially these smaller trades.

Does it really do Vanecek a favor? Going to get less action in FLA than he would in SJ. Granted, better defense so maybe better numbers, but it's not like sending a good soldier skater like Bonino to a playoff team where he can play. Vanecek just has to put off his summer vacation/training plans longer to sit around as Bob's backup.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Does it really do Vanecek a favor? Going to get less action in FLA than he would in SJ. Granted, better defense so maybe better numbers, but it's not like sending a good soldier skater like Bonino to a playoff team where he can play. Vanecek just has to put off his summer vacation/training plans longer to sit around as Bob's backup.

Absolutely it does. Performing well in a backup role in Florida gives Vanecek a shot at getting another NHL contract this summer.

 

[pappaf2]

Does it really do Vanecek a favor? Going to get less action in FLA than he would in SJ. Granted, better defense so maybe better numbers, but it's not like sending a good soldier skater like Bonino to a playoff team where he can play. Vanecek just has to put off his summer vacation/training plans longer to sit around as Bob's backup.

It is a favor for him if they win the cup.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Does it really do Vanecek a favor? Going to get less action in FLA than he would in SJ. Granted, better defense so maybe better numbers, but it's not like sending a good soldier skater like Bonino to a playoff team where he can play. Vanecek just has to put off his summer vacation/training plans longer to sit around as Bob's backup.

He'll get a little bit of a tax benefit between now and the end of the season. I don't think him playing in San Jose was doing him any favors when it led to below average numbers for him. If he gets a few games in Florida where he does well, it increases his odds of being in the NHL next season.

 

[STL Shark]

It is a favor for him if they win the cup.

I'd have more imposter syndrome there than joy of "winning a Cup". Midseason backup goalie addition that plays 6ish regular season games for the team and gets a ring if they win the Cup.

 

[timorous me]

I'd have more imposter syndrome there than joy of "winning a Cup". Midseason backup goalie addition that plays 6ish regular season games for the team and gets a ring if they win the Cup.

One injury away from being The Man in the playoffs for one of the Cup favorites. That scenario certainly wouldn't lead to imposter syndrome (and could be a hell of a showcase for him). He has enough of a track record that he's going to get a job next year anyway.

 

[sampler]

On a side note: can we talk about Mukh's play for a minute?

Smith, Celly, Eklund, all have been playing great. theres lots of talk about Ferraro's improvement raising his trade value. Lots of chatter about alot of guys, but the most exciting thing to me has been Mukh's emergence.

Our D has been the obvious problem for years. When mukh came up initially, he was shaky. His decision making was so so, his physicality was lacking, and he didnt look all that ready, kinda like Smith in the first half. However, much like Smith, Mukh seems to have found his game. He's made a ton is small, subtle, smart plays in his own zone moving plays up the wall, getting good body positions, using his length, and also helping out in the O zone too. The last four games, hes averaging over 20 mins/gm, and has 4 pts, and +4 against quality teams on the road. In fact, since the 4 nations, he hasnt had a minus game yet (5 pts, and +5 in those 6 games all at Even strength)

He is emerging as a real top 4 Dman! I wonder if we might be able to pencil him in, going forward, among the top 4 with much great confidence? If so, that's a huge evolution. I think we really ought to be talking about his emergence as much as Smith or others. He's revolutionizing the roster in real time...

 

[gaucholoco3]

On a side note: can we talk about Mukh's play for a minute?

Smith, Celly, Eklund, all have been playing great. theres lots of talk about Ferraro's improvement raising his trade value. Lots of chatter about alot of guys, but the most exciting thing to me has been Mukh's emergence.

Our D has been the obvious problem for years. When mukh came up initially, he was shaky. His decision making was so so, his physicality was lacking, and he didnt look all that ready, kinda like Smith in the first half. However, much like Smith, Mukh seems to have found his game. He's made a ton is small, subtle, smart plays in his own zone moving plays up the wall, getting good body positions, using his length, and also helping out in the O zone too. The last four games, hes averaging over 20 mins/gm, and has 4 pts, and +4 against quality teams on the road. In fact, since the 4 nations, he hasnt had a minus game yet (5 pts, and +5 in those 6 games all at Even strength)

He is emerging as a real top 4 Dman! I wonder if we might be able to pencil him in, going forward, among the top 4 with much great confidence? If so, that's a huge evolution. I think we really ought to be talking about his emergence as much as Smith or others. He's revolutionizing the roster in real time...

It’s crazy to think that the Sharks players are actually developing under this coaching staff. I just don’t get the hate on Warsofsky when the important future players are showing wonderful positive development.