Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[gaucholoco3]

Cagnoni is good and will play NHL games. Probably a lot of them. I wouldn't be surprised to see him make his NHL debut this year.

There is zero chance he plays NHL games this season. They would call up Schuldt or Carlsson before him. Let him develop. A lot of what he does in the AHL won’t work in the show. That goal created in the highlight above doesn’t work in the NHL.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Yeah, and I think Schaefer will do that. His accomplishments in the calendar year 2024 are:

- Come out of nowhere (meaning relative anonymity to 99% of people including me, not that he doesn't have pedigree) to be the best defenseman on the gold medal-winning Canadian U18 team as an underager.

- Captain the Canadian Hlinka team to a gold medal as by far the best player in the tournament, which included Gavin McKenna (who is only three months younger than Schaefer, by the way).

- Come back from mono and play so well in 17 OHL games to be named to the Canadian WJC team as an underager (19 year old Denver Barkey also had mono this summer and his start was so slow that he played himself off the team when he would have been a lock otherwise) AND immediately be by far the best player on that team.

This guy isn't Owen Power. He's not going to take until 25 to "figure it out", which is what probably happens with Dickinson. All Schaefer's done is take on new and higher level challenges and excel in them. I'm extremely confident that the NHL will be no different, as it wasn't for Celebrini.


There's no "selling high" on Mukhamadullin at this point. I doubt he has very much trade value at all, considering he's almost 23 and can't consistently crack the worst defense group in the NHL.

Keep both him and Cagnoni because one of them probably doesn't pan out and you don't want to be stuck with the one that didn't while the other flourishes elsewhere. Ask the Ducks how that feels.


Right. I get that I'm probably higher on Schaefer than anyone else, but that's what I see.

Yeah, and I think Schaefer will do that. His accomplishments in the calendar year 2024 are:

- Come out of nowhere (meaning relative anonymity to 99% of people including me, not that he doesn't have pedigree) to be the best defenseman on the gold medal-winning Canadian U18 team as an underager.

- Captain the Canadian Hlinka team to a gold medal as by far the best player in the tournament, which included Gavin McKenna (who is only three months younger than Schaefer, by the way).

- Come back from mono and play so well in 17 OHL games to be named to the Canadian WJC team as an underager (19 year old Denver Barkey also had mono this summer and his start was so slow that he played himself off the team when he would have been a lock otherwise) AND immediately be by far the best player on that team.

This guy isn't Owen Power. He's not going to take until 25 to "figure it out", which is what probably happens with Dickinson. All Schaefer's done is take on new and higher level challenges and excel in them. I'm extremely confident that the NHL will be no different, as it wasn't for Celebrini.


There's no "selling high" on Mukhamadullin at this point. I doubt he has very much trade value at all, considering he's almost 23 and can't consistently crack the worst defense group in the NHL.

Keep both him and Cagnoni because one of them probably doesn't pan out and you don't want to be stuck with the one that didn't while the other flourishes elsewhere. Ask the Ducks how that feels.


Right. I get that I'm probably higher on Schaefer than anyone else, but that's what I see.

"Can't conisitently crack the worst defensive group in the nhl" or maybe he wasn't allowed to

 

[matt trick]

I haven't seen him, but he sounds like another Mukhamadullin, just with more NHL experience?

He's under contract at $775,000 for one more year, so I'm fine with that (maybe we could use Muk or Thrun in a trade).

Although he's left handed, probably not a bad pickup with Rutta out. As it is, I think there's a decent chance Rutta or Ferraro (or both) get traded.

Walman-Thrun
Muk-Liljigren
Vlasic-Thompson
Cagnoni?

I'd rather have Kolyachonok and Vlasic as the 6/7 and Kolyachonok might be closer to 3....

He may be nothing, but I wouldn't mind taking a peak. We can send Thompson down as well.

 

[Zarzh]

I wonder how the players feel about the roster not getting better anytime soon. If you were playing Muhk and other young players you could have fun wins sometimes and see what works, but especially since Smith is anchored by AP, Celebrini has to get 2 points to have any chance of winning.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Keep Ferraro, he may not be a top pairing defeseman, but he is solid, gives glimpses of elite play, a great teammatew, and he holds a connection to the past Sharks

 

[Lebanezer]

There is zero chance he plays NHL games this season. They would call up Schuldt or Carlsson before him. Let him develop. A lot of what he does in the AHL won’t work in the show. That goal created in the highlight above doesn’t work in the NHL.

I assume that you’ve watch Cagnoni play regularly? Your view of him is extremely pessimistic.

 

[Hodge]

Keep Ferraro, he may not be a top pairing defeseman, but he is solid, gives glimpses of elite play, a great teammatew, and he holds a connection to the past Sharks

Agreed. He's cut most of the boneheaded mistakes out of his game, is a machine on retrievals and our best net-front defenseman. We will really miss him on and off the ice if he's traded. It really only makes sense if we're able to parlay the return into a better defenseman in the offseason.

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Gecklund]

If we land Schaefer, that gives us Schaefer, Dickinson, Mukhamadullin and Cagnoni as LD’s for the future. I’d assume that would make one of Cagnoni and Mukhamadullin expendable.

Who would we keep, Muk or Cagnoni? I’d probably lean Cagnoni at this point in time

All of them until all 4 are legit NHLers

 

[Star Platinum]

There's no "selling high" on Mukhamadullin at this point. I doubt he has very much trade value at all, considering he's almost 23 and can't consistently crack the worst defense group in the NHL.

People keep talking about how well Mukhamadullin is playing, but I think they're just trying to talk themselves into it. The best I can say about him is that I've barely noticed his impact on the game, which means he isn't making any major gaffes, but he also isn't really making any significant positive impact either. He'll probably get plenty of time the rest of the way to prove otherwise, but so far to me he just looks like a passenger.

 

[Star Platinum]

Yeah. The points-obsessed content guys seem convinced Cagnoni is some epic sure-fire prospect

Which guys are those?

 

[OrrNumber4]

I get the arguments against Cagnoni. But the numbers he is putting up in the AHL at a 19-year-old are a great argument in his favor. Missing the forest for the trees...

 

[karltonian]

Ferarro is an absolute soldier and his game has in fact improved a lot over the course of the year.

People keep talking about how well Mukhamadullin is playing, but I think they're just trying to talk themselves into it. The best I can say about him is that I've barely noticed his impact on the game, which means he isn't making any major gaffes, but he also isn't really making any significant positive impact either. He'll probably get plenty of time the rest of the way to prove otherwise, but so far to me he just looks like a passenger.

On this team, playing passable defense is an achievement. D men are put in positions to fail badly through the entire game. I think he has gotten significantly better over the course of the year but he still needs to learn how to crush someone.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Ferarro is an absolute soldier and his game has in fact improved a lot over the course of the year.


On this team, playing passable defense is an achievement. D men are put in positions to fail badly through the entire game. I think he has gotten significantly better over the course of the year but he still needs to learn how to crush someone.

Getting ahead of myself, but ideally you'd have Ferraro or Walman as the 2nd pairing LD. So if you get that top-pair guy, it makes sense to move Ferraro.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Ferarro is an absolute soldier and his game has in fact improved a lot over the course of the year.


On this team, playing passable defense is an achievement. D men are put in positions to fail badly through the entire game. I think he has gotten significantly better over the course of the year but he still needs to learn how to crush someone.

I tend to agree with the Ferraro assessment. I just don’t think he’s going to move the needle on helping the team be more competitive. He’s filler. Steady filler but still filler. He can be moved whenever someone with a future needs his spot and anyone can fill the third pairing role he could hypothetically be dropped to.