Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[Timo Time]

All we need is Nico Harrison to GM an NHL club next so that we can turn Goodrow into a 25 year-old superstar. Seems simple, really.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Even if Goodrow is LITERALLY the worst player in the NHL I don’t have an issue at all playing him on a team that started with the worst on paper roster in the league and traded away their starting goalie, leading scorer and top RD. This team is no longer designed to win and Goodrow bleeding goals while the kids develop creates a perfect situation where the kids are developing but the team is still tanking.

We truly do not need Goodrow for this team to be awful.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Teams take chances all the time on aging D-men. Ryan Suter. Goligoski. Klingberg is another.

It's possible. I just don't think that Vlasic is going to give up millions of dollars for the chance.

 

[TheBeard]

It's possible. I just don't think that Vlasic is going to give up millions of dollars for the chance.

Well that’s an entirely different story. If he’s solely here to collect a paycheck then send his ass to the A and make him work for it.

 

[Friday]

Cozens szn? Or Byram?

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Well that’s an entirely different story. If he’s solely here to collect a paycheck then send his ass to the A and make him work for it.

Do you want that player playing next to someone like Cagnoni assuming he needs more seasoning or Pohlkamp if he's ready to turn pro? I wouldn't. I want someone with something to play for.

 

[Cas]

100% more than a couple teams would bring him in on a min salary opportunity. If it doesn’t work it doesn’t work but it wouldn’t be financially crippling. I could also see him being reinvigorated in Montreal.

I don't think so - Vlasic offers nothing that any team doesn't already have in the AHL. He's slow, can't pivot, and changes direction slowly, so he's perpetually out of position and can't react to evolving plays. He's not physical and can't play heavy, so you're relying on his instincts and experience to tell him where he needs to be on the ice to break up plays, but he's too immobile to be able to accomplish that, even when he makes the correct decision. He has no offensive talent whatsoever, so you're relying him to be defensively useful, but he can't be because he simply does not have any NHL-quality physical skills. He's left-handed, so he doesn't even offer positional scarcity.

The only thing he has going for him anymore is reputation, and he's a 1300-game NHL player over a twenty-year career, all with the same team, and he doesn't even wear a letter. He is almost 38 years old and is no longer even vaguely an NHL-quality player.

I'm not sure who would even want him. Montreal, because he's a local? They have plenty of better options for next season. Is there a single team in the league who does not already have seven better defensemen in their system for next season?

Teams take chances all the time on aging D-men. Ryan Suter. Goligoski. Klingberg is another.

Vlasic makes every single one of those guys look like Lidstrom. He's just plain that bad.

Teams pass on aging defensemen who obviously don't belong in the league all the time, too - you just don't remember them because they're obviously done and retire (or are retired by default).

 

[TheBeard]

I don't think so - Vlasic offers nothing that any team doesn't already have in the AHL. He's slow, can't pivot, and changes direction slowly, so he's perpetually out of position and can't react to evolving plays. He's not physical and can't play heavy, so you're relying on his instincts and experience to tell him where he needs to be on the ice to break up plays, but he's too immobile to be able to accomplish that, even when he makes the correct decision. He has no offensive talent whatsoever, so you're relying him to be defensively useful, but he can't be because he simply does not have any NHL-quality physical skills. He's left-handed, so he doesn't even offer positional scarcity.

The only thing he has going for him anymore is reputation, and he's a 1300-game NHL player over a twenty-year career, all with the same team, and he doesn't even wear a letter. He is almost 38 years old and is no longer even vaguely an NHL-quality player.

I'm not sure who would even want him. Montreal, because he's a local? They have plenty of better options for next season. Is there a single team in the league who does not already have seven better defensemen in their system for next season?


Vlasic makes every single one of those guys look like Lidstrom. He's just plain that bad.

Teams pass on aging defensemen who obviously don't belong in the league all the time, too - you just don't remember them because they're obviously done and retire (or are retired by default).

I guess we'll have to wait and see. I disagree that there wouldn't be a market for him at minimum but we won't know until it happens.

Do you want that player playing next to someone like Cagnoni assuming he needs more seasoning or Pohlkamp if he's ready to turn pro? I wouldn't. I want someone with something to play for.

Frankly I doubt it would make a difference. If Vlasic chooses not to be a mentor then he won't be a mentor.

 

[Hodge]

I wonder if the Couture contract could have some value to one of the poverty franchises who will struggle to spend to the impending $80M+ floor.

 

[TheBeard]

I wonder if the Couture contract could have some value to one of the poverty franchises who will struggle to spend to the impending $80M+ floor.

Only if he has no intention of playing again. He's not going to uproot his family and waive his NMC

 

[Hodge]

Only if he has no intention of playing again. He's not going to uproot his family and waive his NMC

There's no chance he ever plays again. He would have to report to the new team once a year for a physical and that's it. No need to move.

 

[Star Platinum]

Yes, the guy that is 5th on the team in goals provides no benefits to anyone. Dumb post is dumb.

Fun fact about Kunin - he has the same exact number of goals and assists right now as he did all of last season in 77 games, but in 28 fewer games. Sure, I wish that he was better at finishing, but it's been a good season for him. I would definitely sell high on him though if there's a team out there that needs a bottom 6 winger for their playoff push.

 

[TheBeard]

There's no chance he ever plays again. He would have to report to the new team once a year for a physical and that's it. No need to move.

For now he's got value for us because we could use him to hit the floor but also can LTIR him if and when we need his hit before his contract is up.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I wonder if the Couture contract could have some value to one of the poverty franchises who will struggle to spend to the impending $80M+ floor.

It's possible but it seems like the poverty franchises don't need that much help right now. I think he'd have more value to a cap team looking to finagle some extra room.

 

[Star Platinum]

Exactly. If he really is worse than 14 Forwards then you waive him. Buying out a player when you have cap space as has been suggested by some on here is possibly the dumbest move you could make.

It's less about cap space and more about opening up a roster spot to put someone better in his place. But none of that is going to happen this season.

 

[Star Platinum]

This is the team building philosophy that results in putting Danil Yurtaikin, Lean Bergmann, Noah Gregor, Dylan Gambrell, Joel Kellman, Frederik Handemark, Jasper Weatherby, Scott Reedy and Jonathan Dahlen on the ice. Hey, they're young, they could turn into anything! All you have to do is believe.

I mean, I don't love Dellandrea at all, but at least he gets to his destination faster than Goodrow and he fumbles the puck less. In a perfect world, neither would be on our roster.

 

[Star Platinum]

Celebrini, Eklund, Toffoli, Zetterlund, Smith, Wenberg, and Kunin are the only Forwards on the Sharks roster that are significantly better than Goodrow, enough where it is inexcusable to play him over them. That is 7 forwards.

There are then Sturm, Dellandrea, Grundstrom, Kostin, Duehr, and Kovalenko who are marginally better but not by enough to be as angry as the fan base is. That is 6 more forwards.

So you could make the argument that Goodrow is the 14th forward when everyone is healthy. Now when the Sharks have more than 4 forwards who are injured you can understand why Goodrow is playing.

There are also multiple young players on the Cuda that COULD be better than Goodrow but definitely are not a sure thing. These players also would benefit from playing on the Cuda far away from the disaster the Sharks are.

Also yes Goodrow might have an analytics page from a guy on Twitter who is not smart enough to be employed by any hockey team that says Goodrow is the worst player in the league but that “player card” while being a good quick way to analyze players is not a definitive statement that he is LITERALLY the worst player in the league.

He is playing in the bottom six against good competition with clearly the worst defense in the league behind him playing with similar players that are not talented for a team he blocked a trade to that is historically bad after wining cups and playing on president trophy winning teams. What do you expect from him?

I think you're selling Kovalenko a little short. I think he needs better linemates to be productive and that his skill isn't apparent when playing with grinders, but as the dirty work guy on a line with guys who have more scoring ability than he does, he's a pretty good complementary wing.

 

[TheBeard]

It's possible but it seems like the poverty franchises don't need that much help right now. I think he'd have more value to a cap team looking to finagle some extra room.

Only if we're taking something back, but we don't need to include Logan for that to happen.