So just because we already have dead money which we needed to eat to facilitate trades that brought in assets we should create 4 years on dead money to accomplish nothing for the team. Also ruining the reputation the team has with agents as a buyout takes away guaranteed money from a player when the team has the cap space to bury a player to play in the exact same city they would with the NHL team. If he doesn’t want to play in the AHL the he can agree to a mutual contract termination. But buying him out when there is no need for the cap space is absolutely organizational malpractice.
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Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
We have a lot bigger problems then arguing about buying out Barclay Goodrow in Feburary.
We have cap space and the cap is going up...what is the purpose of buying him out?
We have cap space and the cap is going up...what is the purpose of buying him out?
Even buying out Vlasic is a dumb idea unless they will spend to the cap which is virtually impossible since it would require multiple UFAs to agree to $10+ million cap hits. Yes ride out the contract and if needed send him to the Cuda. It’s also not what you do the the games played leader for defensemen for your franchise. Players and agents pay attention to how teams treat aging stars since they don’t want to be treated like that when their play declines. Teams like Florida or Vegas can act like that because players will want to play there regardless of how they treat players.
I think with only one year left for Vlasic, spreading out that last year over two isn’t a huge deal. He’s also someone I could see possibly agreeing to a mutual termination for a chance elsewhere, perhaps in Montreal.
So what if they also buy out Vlasic? Buying out Goodrow if you can't find a taker is still a move that makes the team better going into next season.
You act like the four years of dead money is some insurmountable thing we're doing to ourselves here. It's not. It's not about the cap space saved either. It's about the roster space and it's about getting rid of a player who is addition through subtraction. That makes the team better whether you see that or not. A buyout is not going to ruin any reputation. Buyouts are commonplace regardless of competitive status or cap space. If you're going to be worried about guaranteed money then advocating a contract termination isn't the way to go either. Buying him out is just the easiest and cleanest way to move on from him and allow him to see if another team more to his liking will sign him for cheap and he can try to resurrect his dying career. You really need to stop pretending that four years of dead money where three of the years is minimal for a team where you admit cap space is not necessary is organizational malpractice. That is a contradiction.
To get better as a team. Isn't that what we all want for next year's team?
Depending on how aggressive Grier gets the offseason, the contingency priority for how much better we are depending on Goodrow being on the team is like 15th. He doesn’t change a thing for this team.
Pavelski2112
Bold as Boognish
It’s not as easy as it sounds to add 4 NHL caliber players to a historically bad team in a non traditional hockey market in a high tax state. Also if Goodrow is not a problem then there is no need to buy him out.
Jargon
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If only there was a way to clear an NHL roster spot that would not create additional years of dead cap and still allow a player to be paid his contractually guaranteed wage.
It’s called waivers.
I thought with the rising cap and with his good synergy with Borgen they would want to keep him.
Krieder is who I want as a cap dump from the Rangers.
You don't need to be a cap team to justify buying a player out. I don't think sending Vlasic to the Cuda is any better a way to treat him than buying him out. All Grier needs to do is let these guys know that they're moving on from them because they're just not the caliber of player that they need moving forward. If a trade isn't out there, he will buy them out. It's direct and honest and allows them to be free to choose where their career goes next. Asking them to forfeit guaranteed money in a contract termination is a lot more contentious and problematic for these players than it is for a European that just isn't hacking it here. If players have a problem with the ordinary business of moving players that are no longer helping the team as they envision it then they need to perform as such to avoid that. The Sharks need to be able to proceed as they see fit and that includes the possibility of buying someone out that they don't need the cap space for (Grier already did this with Balcers and it didn't stop anyone from anything). Sometimes, you just want the open roster spot so that your developing players can fill it or just find a better veteran to fill in. Re-signing Rutta after he's rented out would be a better use of a roster spot than keeping Vlasic and Rutta also sucks.
I'm not sure why Vlasic would be for mutual termination but Saad shows that it's possible. Vlasic is due a 2 mil bonus and 3.5 mil base salary. He's not finding that anywhere else. A buyout makes sure that he gets 2.3 mil of that 3.5 mil base and the 2 mil bonus. And those two years are not years where we need to concern ourselves with the dead money that would result from it. I would much rather vacate the roster spot, let him move on, and bring in whoever that would very likely be a better player on the ice than Vlasic is.
Every player that takes up a roster spot, changes the team. It isn't going to be a big difference in most cases but a player that we're already saying is irrelevant to the team is not one we need to worry about eating minimal dead cap space to move on from.
We already did more than this last season. Just because he's not a problem doesn't mean there isn't a need to buy him out. The need to buy him out comes from the reality that we can do significantly better than him in whatever spot you'd like to put him in.
You don't need to act like I don't know what waivers are. He will go through it if they intend to buy him out. Your need to run out his contractual clock is not an actual need that the team needs to concern itself with.
The dude has made like 80 million dollars and is now being healthy scratched on the worst team in the league without aspirations of being a competitive franchise until long after he’s gone. If he wants any chance at going to a contender he’s gonna have to agree to mutually terminate his contract and, as you said, go the Saad route. I could see numerous contenders willing to pick him up for a vet min contract but they won’t at his cap hit. Guess it depends on what his priority is.
Upgrading from Goodrow to another Grundstrom has absolutely no impact on this club’s success going forward. The only things that will will be the continued development of Ek/Mack/Will and finding secondary scoring for the middle six. Adding cap hits three years down the road, even with an increasing ceiling, would still be like a million dollars unable to be spent on bringing in a premium talent, which the team will need to spend to compete against the non-tax franchises like Florida and Vegas.
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Vlasic is being healthy-scratched on the worst team in the league and he's a curmudgeon. He's a non-physical defensive defenseman whose poor mobility means he's now awful defensively. There isn't going to be a market for his services on contending teams.
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Also, on Goodrow, I'd like to point out that I just don't want to watch Barclay Goodrow anymore, any more than I wanted to watch Martin Jones. That's not entertainment, that's just pain.
The dude also just went through a divorce and a guy getting scratched here probably doesn't have good odds of making a contender's lineup. Vlasic's inability to stay in the lineup for the last two seasons is not because of his contract. It's possible he does it anyway but I wouldn't get my hopes up. I would be open to riding out the final year if he's okay with being in the AHL but it would be understandable if he's not and better for all parties if they just bought him out if he isn't okay with it.
Goodrow and to a lesser extent Vlasic can’t be Literally the worst in the NHL but then also will have multiple teams want them after being bought out. Both can’t simultaneously be true.
I think he’s just unmotivated. Not an excuse and injuries certainly factor into his obvious decline, but after being on the top of the mountain for so long and then watching everyone move on to other contenders, I could certainly see him just not trying. Not an excuse obviously, and in fact it probably makes him look even worse, but I’ve seen far worse players get opportunities from contenders. I remember OEL getting bought out by Vancouver and thought his career was done.
I agree if the option was really just another Grundstrom but it's not. In Goodrow's case, he's the 3rd most used forward on a PK that ranks in the bottom 3rd of the league while he himself is providing nothing of value at 5v5. There's room for improvement there that can coincide with the continued development of the young players that will do most of the heavy lifting. The cap hits being added three years down the road is 833k in a league that's at 113.5 mil and climbing. It won't even be 1% of the cap for two years. The team will easily be able to manage and it would have a statistically insignificant impact on bringing in a premium talent.
I never said that they will have multiple teams want them. This attempt at a gotcha fails miserably.
pappaf2
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Maybe but OEL was also 31 when he was bought out and not 38. Even if what you say happens to be true, asking Vlasic to ramp it up at his age to make a squad is asking a lot. Overcoming injuries and motivation at that age when you're not making the lineup of the worst team that doesn't really have that much blue line talent to compete with isn't a good sign.
Jargon
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6 smurfs stacked on top of each other sign me up
Teams take chances all the time on aging D-men. Ryan Suter. Goligoski. Klingberg is another.
