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What happened to our doggie Goodie? Did he die? No honey he went to a farm upstate where he’ll be happy…Will he go to Jumbos farm?
Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion
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What kind of stupid question is this? No, he's not being prevented from spending money because of Goodrow. He's also not prevented from spending the money it would take to get rid of him either. If we want to improve the team, getting rid of someone who provides no value for anyone who can is the correct move to make.
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How about we focus on getting 14 forwards who are better than Goodrow in the organization before making plans to get rid of him?
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Letting the power play be our enforcer was even a worse idea.
I mean, there's already 14 forwards who are better than Goodrow but literally any of the guys we have under contract or as RFA's are better than Goodrow and the number needed to fill out the rest of the spots to make 14 is easy to acquire elsewhere. There's no reason to pretend like getting the depth to replace Goodrow is some difficult task. It's not. Goodrow sucks and brings nothing of value on the ice. They can quite easily find the depth to justify buying him out this offseason. I don't get why you're pretending like it wouldn't be easy to bring in any number of replacement level players that would do at worst the same as Goodrow.
It has been a while since he was in the top 6. He has been consistently on the 4th line even with a few injuries.
The sharks have a significant number of forwards who are hurt. I’m grateful Goodrow is on the roster so we don’t have to give false hope to fans thinking Bordeleau and Gushchin are still NHL prospects. They both have as much of an NHL future as Poturalski.
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Warsofsky clearly disagrees with you that there are 14 forwards better than Goodrow in the organization.
If it's so easy to bring in better players than him, great, let's do that this offseason and if enough of them push Goodrow out of a lineup spot he can be waived and sent to the minors or have a contract termination negotiated.
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Just getting a plug who is 25 would be a better option, because there is always the chance that younger player turns into something, however unlikely.
The only thing Goodrow is going to turn into is rot.
Exactly. If he really is worse than 14 Forwards then you waive him. Buying out a player when you have cap space as has been suggested by some on here is possibly the dumbest move you could make.
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Truly one of my two least favorite things about this forum, alongside thinking that the coach is the problem, for the past 33 years.
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This is the team building philosophy that results in putting Danil Yurtaikin, Lean Bergmann, Noah Gregor, Dylan Gambrell, Joel Kellman, Frederik Handemark, Jasper Weatherby, Scott Reedy and Jonathan Dahlen on the ice. Hey, they're young, they could turn into anything! All you have to do is believe.
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Are you serious? The Sharks' PP was an effective enforcer for years and years. Ask Vegas if they'd rather have thrown that dirty hit on Pavelski or have won a playoff series.
Again, Goodrow is QUITE LITERALLY the single worst player to play significant NHL games this season. Grundstrom is better, Dellandrea is better, Kostin is better, Sturm is better, Duehr is better, Graf is better, Kovalenko is better. All guys Goodrow has played in favor of.
Bordeleau and Gushchin may not have an NHL future but they probably are actually better than Goodrow. Goodrow has LITERALLY the worst metrics in the league both offensively and defensively. Literally every single player to play regular NHL games this season is better. This is not an exaggeration and it's insane that you think consistently icing the single worst player in the entire NHL isn't a problem. Obviously we have a lot of other problems, but jettisoning this guy into the sun (waiving him or at least healthy-scratching him) would be an improvement.
Warsofsky doesn't clearly disagree with me because a lineup now is not some magical indicator of how the organization ranks its players.
I'd be happy if they agreed to a contract termination if that's available. If it isn't and a trade isn't out there, they should still buy him out. Keeping him for the AHL when he was already not happy to be here, had a worst forward in the league sort of season, and is buried in the minors is not going to be good for the rookie pros that are likely going to be on the Barracuda next year. If we have to eat four years of dead money, so be it. We already are doing that with the Hertl retention. We can handle one expensive year of four when that one is the last year of Celebrini's ELC.
Are you worried about spending Hasso's money all of a sudden?
Please expand upon why you think that is? The odds that the Sharks are a cap team in the next two years is minimal. Goodrow's highest buyout number is year two. The following two years are 833k cap hits in a cap world of 104 and 113.5 million. We already are going to eat dead money from the Hertl retention. Getting rid of a no-value player for literally anyone else only makes the team better on the ice. How is that the dumbest move you could make?
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I mean during the Haley/Scott/Brown/Burish days, it was a problem because it was a choice to target that archetype on Stanley Cup caliber teams as opposed to more useful players.
It wasn't the biggest problem on the roster (hello never having a competent 3C for 15 years), but it was a detriment nonetheless when those series were so often decided my such thin margins.
Right now, this isn't a team that is trying to win so I don't really care. Goodrow at least knows what good NHL hockey and standards are, even if he might not be physically able to do it anymore. He's going to give you an honest effort on a nightly basis and expect you to do the same. That's okay by me at this point of the rebuild. It wouldn't be okay in 3 years when we should be a playoff team.
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So your position is that Warsofsky secretly believes Gushchin or Bordeleau or Bystedt is currently better than Goodrow (not to mention the forwards he plays less than Goodrow) but he's intentionally icing forwards he considers to be worse instead?
There is no reason to buy out Goodrow during the regular course buyout window before we even know who's going to be on the team next season.
Some players thrive in a bad situation, like Granlund. Goodrow just decided not to. I do think he’s better than he’s playing but he’s clearly not motivated for his own reasons. The blame of playing him beyond the 4th line lies with War though. But it’s not like there are tons of options on the 4th line. All three scrubs would hurt the other three lines so may as well just play em together.
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Barclay Goodrow is not a problem
It's important to have sacrificial lamb players to soak up roster spots on tank teams, I'd much rather have Goodrow playing like a boat anchor on the last place team in the NHL than have someone like Filip Bystedt be overexposed on the 2025 Sharks
Goodrow's contract isn't an impediment to winning in the short term (lol, what winning?) and it doesn't complicate building in the long term
He's a idol being burnt on the pyre in tribute to the lotto Gods, nothing more and nothing less
It's important to have sacrificial lamb players to soak up roster spots on tank teams, I'd much rather have Goodrow playing like a boat anchor on the last place team in the NHL than have someone like Filip Bystedt be overexposed on the 2025 Sharks
Goodrow's contract isn't an impediment to winning in the short term (lol, what winning?) and it doesn't complicate building in the long term
He's a idol being burnt on the pyre in tribute to the lotto Gods, nothing more and nothing less
No that is not my position.
The logic you're employing to counter the buyout is something that on its face is applicable everywhere yet people still do it. In reality, replacing the worst regular NHL forward doesn't require knowledge prior to their acquisition to accomplish. There are always 4th liners available. We have 4th liners that we can give lineup spots to next year in someone like Cardwell. We just signed guys like Toffoli and Wennberg after one of the worst seasons in cap history. We can sign three guys to accomplish squeezing Goodrow out. Why are you pretending like it's some difficult task?
I agree that War playing Goodrow beyond the 4th line is on him. I don't particularly care beyond how it impacts players we're trying to develop. But I'm perfectly content to let a coach make those sorts of mistakes when they're new to the gig. I'm perfectly content with trotting Goodrow out this season on the 4th line when the Barracuda are a playoff team and we're not. I don't think the need for filler should last beyond this season. Next season should be about getting the best 23 players we can get to do the best we can. There's no way Goodrow after this season should be one of those players. We have the need to spend that can make his presence unnecessary and we have the talent internally to fill a 4th line winger/extra role with guys like Cardwell or guys like Poturalski or throw a dart at whatever's in free agency. We could re-sign Duehr and/or Smith for the minimum to fill the same role that Goodrow currently occupies.
I simply do not understand some people's willingness to weaponize incompetence and pretend like we can't do better when we already have in the previous offseason.
If you wouldn't play him, I don't see why buying him out shouldn't be on the table.
Because they’re probably gonna buy out Vlasic. Just put goodrow on waivers, maybe he ends up in the A or as our 13th forward.
Celebrini, Eklund, Toffoli, Zetterlund, Smith, Wenberg, and Kunin are the only Forwards on the Sharks roster that are significantly better than Goodrow, enough where it is inexcusable to play him over them. That is 7 forwards.
There are then Sturm, Dellandrea, Grundstrom, Kostin, Duehr, and Kovalenko who are marginally better but not by enough to be as angry as the fan base is. That is 6 more forwards.
So you could make the argument that Goodrow is the 14th forward when everyone is healthy. Now when the Sharks have more than 4 forwards who are injured you can understand why Goodrow is playing.
There are also multiple young players on the Cuda that COULD be better than Goodrow but definitely are not a sure thing. These players also would benefit from playing on the Cuda far away from the disaster the Sharks are.
Also yes Goodrow might have an analytics page from a guy on Twitter who is not smart enough to be employed by any hockey team that says Goodrow is the worst player in the league but that “player card” while being a good quick way to analyze players is not a definitive statement that he is LITERALLY the worst player in the league.
He is playing in the bottom six against good competition with clearly the worst defense in the league behind him playing with similar players that are not talented for a team he blocked a trade to that is historically bad after wining cups and playing on president trophy winning teams. What do you expect from him?
There are then Sturm, Dellandrea, Grundstrom, Kostin, Duehr, and Kovalenko who are marginally better but not by enough to be as angry as the fan base is. That is 6 more forwards.
So you could make the argument that Goodrow is the 14th forward when everyone is healthy. Now when the Sharks have more than 4 forwards who are injured you can understand why Goodrow is playing.
There are also multiple young players on the Cuda that COULD be better than Goodrow but definitely are not a sure thing. These players also would benefit from playing on the Cuda far away from the disaster the Sharks are.
Also yes Goodrow might have an analytics page from a guy on Twitter who is not smart enough to be employed by any hockey team that says Goodrow is the worst player in the league but that “player card” while being a good quick way to analyze players is not a definitive statement that he is LITERALLY the worst player in the league.
He is playing in the bottom six against good competition with clearly the worst defense in the league behind him playing with similar players that are not talented for a team he blocked a trade to that is historically bad after wining cups and playing on president trophy winning teams. What do you expect from him?
Even if Goodrow is LITERALLY the worst player in the NHL I don’t have an issue at all playing him on a team that started with the worst on paper roster in the league and traded away their starting goalie, leading scorer and top RD. This team is no longer designed to win and Goodrow bleeding goals while the kids develop creates a perfect situation where the kids are developing but the team is still tanking.
I wouldn't say that he's a problem. I would just say that if a team is looking to make strides to be more competitive next season then Goodrow shouldn't be one of your 14 forwards. We already have at least 10 better forwards to fill spots. Getting another four better than Goodrow shouldn't be an issue when this team got five forwards last offseason and brought in three more during the middle of this season. I think the time for paying tribute to the lotto Gods is done after this season.
