Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

weastern bias

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So a clear top 9 forward scoring pace and tied for 132nd in goals? Not bad for a guy who gets no power play time. What were you expecting? Kucherov numbers?


30 points is easily top 9 production in "today's league" without even accounting for Kunin's lack of PP time and low overall minute totals. He's one of our most used penalty killers so to say he provides nothing on the defensive end is false. Also 3rd on the team in hits and can drop the gloves...$2.75M is a downright bargain for what Kunin is providing this season. He's clearly better than the low end 4th liner you constantly claimed he was.
Woah, look out, Kunin's putting up big boy stats
 
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Patty Ice

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So a clear top 9 forward scoring pace and tied for 132nd in goals? Not bad for a guy who gets no power play time. What were you expecting? Kucherov numbers?


30 points is easily top 9 production in "today's league" without even accounting for Kunin's lack of PP time and low overall minute totals. He's one of our most used penalty killers so to say he provides nothing on the defensive end is false. Also 3rd on the team in hits and can drop the gloves...$2.75M is a downright bargain for what Kunin is providing this season. He's clearly better than the low end 4th liner you constantly claimed he was.

There's always a whipping boy based on irrationality during each era.

Kunin is just the latest iteration. There will be another after he is gone.
 

TheBeard

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So a clear top 9 forward scoring pace and tied for 132nd in goals? Not bad for a guy who gets no power play time. What were you expecting? Kucherov numbers?
A clear top 9 scoring pace on a bad team. On a deeper team like Vegas or Carolina it's middle of the pack bottom line. Point is he's a replaceable player, but using his meager offense as his selling point instead of the fact he's just a solid bottom line physical presence isn't how you maximize his trade value.
 
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TheBeard

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Don't forget, the coach also always sucks and is ruining every prospect and the power play.

(This year, might be true about the power play).
The PP was always going to be bad this year because you're incorporating 2 very young kids into the top units that, as good as they are, haven't yet developed an understanding that being skilled isn't everything.
 
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Glad Grier seems to be involved. I’m a little worried at how much Jiricek is going to cost but I guess it also depends on what the Jackets are looking for. Roster players we don’t really have anything worthwhile (unless they value Ferraro highly or something), prospects we have aplenty but yeah, what are their needs?

I don’t super want to get into a bidding war and mortgage the future for someone I do really want but who has a lot of red flags.
My hope would be that they've managed to depress his trade value similar to what happened with Askarov. The appeal to me is that he's got two things we don't have in our defensive corps at all - size and offensive skill from the right side. Obviously he's got some downside or he wouldn't be available at all, but given that we still need to be adding elite talent through the draft, this is a perfect situation for him to make mistakes, improve his conditioning and skating, and develop his game at the NHL level. Of course, Columbus should be in the same boat as us, but for some reason they'd rather play bums over developing this kid in the NHL.

Sans a second round pick or someone else's first round pick though, this is gonna be a tough trade to pull off and give Columbus what they perceive to be adequate compensation for giving up on a #6 draft pick.
 

Hodge

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How about Smith for Jiricek? No other team is beating that offer. I'd do it if I was convinced Smith projects as a winger long term.
 

Hodge

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lol that’s enough internet for you today
Musty + picks probably isn't getting it done. It's fundamentally irrational to be attached to Smith just because we happened to draft him. If trading him for a 21-year-old 6'4 RHD who has already proven he can dominate the AHL brings us closer to a Cup in the long run we should do it.

Dickinson-Jiricek could be a nasty top pair in 5 years.
 

OrrNumber4

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I'm pretty sure Jiricek has negative value if he can't crack the lowly CBJ blue line and has him on the block.
I'm worried that in a league that is more and more prioritizing speed and agility, Jiricek's skating issues will be a big deal. Acquiring him would feel like a "rush the rebuild" type move.
 

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