Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[sampler]

Walman is definitely the current #1 offensive D. He can put in some goals but I’d like a better one.

 

[LilLeeroy]

Just like the Bordeleau (LH), Eklund (LH), Granlund (LH), Thrun (LH), and Zetterlund was a disaster?

It was, minus some puck luck?

You don't think handedness is something teams considering when filling roles on their PP?

 

[Juxtaposer]

It was, minus some puck luck?

You don't think handedness is something teams considering when filling roles on their PP?

Of course it is. But the factual statement “teams consider handedness when filling roles on their PP” is a far cry from the alarmist “only one RH player on PP1 will be an unmitigated disaster!!!”, no?

 

[timorous me]

Walman is definitely the current #1 offensive D. He can put in some goals but I’d like a better one.

A good point made by Jack Han on the most recent SJHN podcast was that his forte is shooting, not distribution, and shooting from the point is the most inefficient way for a power play to go about its business. That makes sense.

That doesn't mean there isn't a way for it to work, or for him to show a broader skillset than previously seen, but we'll see how he fits in with this group.

 

[Saskatoon]

A good point made by Jack Han on the most recent SJHN podcast was that his forte is shooting, not distribution, and shooting from the point is the most inefficient way for a power play to go about its business. That makes sense.

That doesn't mean there isn't a way for it to work, or for him to show a broader skillset than previously seen, but we'll see how he fits in with this group.

Yea they can put a better playmaker in the top slot and have him as a trigger man though

 

[STL Shark]

A good point made by Jack Han on the most recent SJHN podcast was that his forte is shooting, not distribution, and shooting from the point is the most inefficient way for a power play to go about its business. That makes sense.

That doesn't mean there isn't a way for it to work, or for him to show a broader skillset than previously seen, but we'll see how he fits in with this group.

I think we will be very disappointed if we're relying on Walman as a PP1 guy. At that rate, just go back to the 5 forward look.

Walman is getting less PP time throughout his career than noted offensive defenseman Marc-Edouard Vlasic did in his prime. He's played fewer PP minutes in his career in the NHL than Vlasic played in some years alone, and we all know how poor Vlasic is as a PP guy.

Walman has a big shot and that's the major extent of his offense. That will play up nicely at ES when it is less predictable, but on the PP it is a miscalculation by Grier to assume that he's going to be able to run a PP (something he said in one of his availabilities recently). Need a different option there if the goal is to go away from the 5F look.

 

[Gecklund]

I think we will be very disappointed if we're relying on Walman as a PP1 guy. At that rate, just go back to the 5 forward look.

Walman is getting less PP time throughout his career than noted offensive defenseman Marc-Edouard Vlasic did in his prime. He's played fewer PP minutes in his career in the NHL than Vlasic played in some years alone, and we all know how poor Vlasic is as a PP guy.

Walman has a big shot and that's the major extent of his offense. That will play up nicely at ES when it is less predictable, but on the PP it is a miscalculation by Grier to assume that he's going to be able to run a PP (something he said in one of his availabilities recently). Need a different option there if the goal is to go away from the 5F look.

Walman not getting PP time is more of a factor of guys like Seider, Ghost, Petro (think he was still in STL at the time), etc than him though.

I don’t disagree with your overall point because Walman is a weird fit on PP1 in the same way that Burns was a weird fit but worse though.

 

[weastern bias]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1818907786329067975

Barabanov back to Russia

A shame, I always liked him and he'd a actually be a great compliment to Celebrini or Smith on the wing

 

[Hodge]

Barabanov was never a NHL player. Extremely fortunate to land on a horrendous Sharks team devoid of talent or else it would have been straight back to Russia after his failed stint in Toronto.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Barabanov was never a NHL player. Extremely fortunate to land on a horrendous Sharks team devoid of talent or else it would have been straight back to Russia after his failed stint in Toronto.

Barabanov had one season of being a legit middle-six scoring winger. He was just incapable of playing at that level for more than a few months. It happens.

 

[hohosaregood]

Barabanov had one season of being a legit middle-six scoring winger. He was just incapable of playing at that level for more than a few months. It happens.

Sometimes those couple of months is enough to make a career out of like Tommy Wingels. Sometimes it's not.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Sometimes those couple of months is enough to make a career out of like Tommy Wingels. Sometimes it's not.

Wingels is actually a great comp. He was genuinely pretty good in 2012-2013, but was sub-NHL level pretty much every other year.

 

[Hodge]

Wingels is actually a great comp. He was genuinely pretty good in 2012-2013, but was sub-NHL level pretty much every other year.

It's a terrible comp that's insulting to Wingels. There is nothing remotely similar about them beyond both being forwards. Wingels played almost 500 games and was a terrific bottom six winger and penalty killer on great teams for four seasons in his prime.

 

[Hodge]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1765236463182962788

I mean, just look at the precious charts you people love so much. This guy was so f***ing terrible.

 

[weastern bias]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1765236463182962788

I mean, just look at the precious charts you people love so much. This guy was so f***ing terrible.

What do you mean "you people"?

 

[Cas]

Sometimes those couple of months is enough to make a career out of like Tommy Wingels. Sometimes it's not.

I think Barabanov had more than a couple months (a couple of years, really), he just didn't have a lot of margin for error.

We also got him for a guy who has not played in the NHL since (and, being 30 years old, likely never will). It's just a pity we weren't able to turn Barabanov into a mid pick.

 

[Hodge]

I think Barabanov had more than a couple months (a couple of years, really), he just didn't have a lot of margin for error.

We also got him for a guy who has not played in the NHL since (and, being 30 years old, likely never will). It's just a pity we weren't able to turn Barabanov into a mid pick.

It's a pity he stole $6 million from Hasso Plattner. Keep complaining about that Matt Benning contract though.

 

[weastern bias]

I think Barabanov had more than a couple months (a couple of years, really), he just didn't have a lot of margin for error.

We also got him for a guy who has not played in the NHL since (and, being 30 years old, likely never will). It's just a pity we weren't able to turn Barabanov into a mid pick.

I do think the organization made the smarter move using that retention slot on the Hertl trade to get Edstrom and a 1st instead of getting a 5th or whatever we would have gotten for an expiring Barabanov, but I agree with all your points

Barabanov cost us Suomela, and we got 2 relatively productive seasons out of him, there wasn't a whole lot of missed opportunities in the whole Barbie saga

Also, #94 is pretty elite, it was nice to see it in the new jerseys

 

[Juxtaposer]

It's a terrible comp that's insulting to Wingels. There is nothing remotely similar about them beyond both being forwards. Wingels played almost 500 games and was a terrific bottom six winger and penalty killer on great teams for four seasons in his prime.

Obviously I’m not talking stylistically, I’m talking about a guy who had one good season and was bad otherwise.

I know Barabanov is a hot button for you, but you don’t have to pretend Wingels was any good just to prove a point.

 

[Hodge]

Obviously I’m not talking stylistically, I’m talking about a guy who had one good season and was bad otherwise.

I know Barabanov is a hot button for you, but you don’t have to pretend Wingels was any good just to prove a point.

Wingels was a valuable piece of the deepest and probably best team in franchise history in 2013-14.

Barabanov was a defensive black hole who could only produce by leeching off Hertl on glorified AHL squads.

 

[weastern bias]

the deepest and probably best team in franchise history in 2013-14

Hodge posts are a bit confirmed

 

[Hodge]

Hodge posts are a bit confirmed

When healthy that team was stacked top to bottom:

Hertl-Thornton-Burns
Marleau-Couture-Havlat
Torres-Pavelski-Wingels
Nieto-Desjardins-Brown

Vlasic-Demers
Stuart-Braun
Irwin-Boyle

Unfortunately Niemi was trash and Stoll boarded Vlasic midway through the first round.

 

[weastern bias]

When healthy that team was stacked top to bottom:

Hertl-Thornton-Burns
Marleau-Couture-Havlat
Torres-Pavelski-Wingels
Nieto-Desjardins-Brown

Vlasic-Demers
Stuart-Braun
Irwin-Boyle

Unfortunately Niemi was trash and Stoll boarded Vlasic midway through the first round.

That defense sucks, the forwards are thin and the goaltending had been figured out

That team isn't in the same conversation as 2016 or 2019, the actual best teams in franchise history

 

[Hodge]

That defense sucks, the forwards are thin and the goaltending had been figured out

That team isn't in the same conversation as 2016 or 2019, the actual best teams in franchise history

"Thin forward group" with Pavelski at 3C. Meanwhile the 2016 team was rolling out Tierney, Spaling, Zubrus and Melker Karlsson.

 

[Kcoyote3]

You're just trying to somehow prove that a 0.5PPG NHL player of over 200 games is a career AHLer because you said he was in a post one time