Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

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Nobody would ever trade a true #1D for Eklund


Byram is not available for that package

You know, ++. Eklund + a prospect + a pick surely could. Fact is, if anyone is trading a potential #1 defenseman, there’s an Askarov situation happening and he’s getting below asking price. Guys like that are really only on the market cause things have gotten rotten and the team is trying to get what they can before they lose their guy.
 
I hope we are not a favourite for #1 overall again next season. Definitely not for DuPont. I know we are still a really bad team, but I also feel like its time to start turning it around. Can't perennially be enamoured by the top prospects in a draft. You want guys like Eklund and Celebrini and others to enjoy playing here and want to re-sign here. Its not going to happen if we are basement dwellers every year playing in front of 10-12k people a night.

Its fun to dream of McKenna/Dupont with all these players, but I also feel like if a team with a second year Smith and Celebrini, 3rd year Eklund, Askarov as a starter, some more of the prospects being promoted and another offseason of moves is still the worst team in the league, then something is going wrong. I'm not expecting playoffs or anything, but we gotta start climbing the standings a little bit next year. Otherwise, what are we even doing?
 
I appreciate your response, Jux. I'll see if I can view Nemec through a different lens, if you will, in hope of adding addition insight to my opinion.

At this point I see the two having very similar skating, with maybe a sight edge to Byram, however, I see a higher IQ/situational awareness, as well as the ability to better get pucks to the net with Nemec.

In regards to a Petterson type deal, I had been under the impression that was specifically in regards to Lou's ask for Dobson.
I do like Nemec and always have, so I'm on board with him as an idea, I just think that a guy in his D+3 season having not gotten established in the NHL, true #1D is kinda off the table. I still think he'll be a good middle pairing RD, which is extremely valuable, I just have no interest in moving Eklund for him.
 
I hope we are not a favourite for #1 overall again next season. Definitely not for DuPont. I know we are still a really bad team, but I also feel like its time to start turning it around. Can't perennially be enamoured by the top prospects in a draft. You want guys like Eklund and Celebrini and others to enjoy playing here and want to re-sign here. Its not going to happen if we are basement dwellers every year playing in front of 10-12k people a night.

Its fun to dream of McKenna/Dupont with all these players, but I also feel like if a team with a second year Smith and Celebrini, 3rd year Eklund, Askarov as a starter, some more of the prospects being promoted and another offseason of moves is still the worst team in the league, then something is going wrong. I'm not expecting playoffs or anything, but we gotta start climbing the standings a little bit next year. Otherwise, what are we even doing?
Next year will still be really bad, because the opportunities to improve our defense to "below average" are going to be limited. Grier will have to pull off several miracles. We may be better - we will not even vaguely be close to decent.

In three years, though, hopefully we will have some prospects work out and have given Grier time to work magic.
 
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It was better at least than the other trade suggestions I've seen on this board lately (I agree it's an overpay). Some folks on this board don't understand that ten pennies do not equal a dime when we're talking about player trades.
And yet it's pretty much always a pick or two, an okay prospect and some nobody. It's also not uncommon it includes someone who helps makes the money work
 
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I hope we are not a favourite for #1 overall again next season. Definitely not for DuPont. I know we are still a really bad team, but I also feel like its time to start turning it around. Can't perennially be enamoured by the top prospects in a draft. You want guys like Eklund and Celebrini and others to enjoy playing here and want to re-sign here. Its not going to happen if we are basement dwellers every year playing in front of 10-12k people a night.

Its fun to dream of McKenna/Dupont with all these players, but I also feel like if a team with a second year Smith and Celebrini, 3rd year Eklund, Askarov as a starter, some more of the prospects being promoted and another offseason of moves is still the worst team in the league, then something is going wrong. I'm not expecting playoffs or anything, but we gotta start climbing the standings a little bit next year. Otherwise, what are we even doing?
Well we are trying to come out of a rebuild at the wrong time, thats one thing. The cap being raised so quickly is not helping our rebuild, as other teams will no longer be as cash strapped and needing to shed salary.
 
That same package also isn't getting Mittelstadt
His lackluster play at 2C and his almost 6 mil hit for the next couple seasons tells me he may be very available for less. He’s always been an underwhelming player. He’s turning 27, has never scored over 18 and has hit 50 points twice. Wanna blame the graveyard in Buffalo? His numbers in Colorado are somehow worse.
 
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Well, if you see Nemec as a future #1D, then that certainly explains your willingness to trade Eklund for him. I think you're one of the few people that do believe that, though.

For Byram, the only reason he would hit the trade market is if he doesn't want to sign long-term with Buffalo. Otherwise, he'd only be available in a Pettersson type of situation, and it sounds like Peterson is staying put.
I think Byram is moving because Buffalo is too jammed with bodies and salary at LD. Obviously can move some of those guys to their off side, but Dahlin, Byram, Power, and Samuelsson are all LD 24 and younger and all will be on long-term deals until 2030-2032 (if/when you re-sign Byram).

With Byram, you would be able to move him before that new deal is signed and probably increase the return as the new team gets to negotiate it as opposed to just taking on whatever the bonehead Buffalo management agreed to with him.
 
I think Byram is moving because Buffalo is too jammed with bodies and salary at LD. Obviously can move some of those guys to their off side, but Dahlin, Byram, Power, and Samuelsson are all LD r24 and younger and all will be on long-term deals until 2030-2032 (if/when you re-sign Byram).

With Byram, you would be able to move him before that new deal is signed and probably increase the return as the new team gets to negotiate it as opposed to just taking on whatever the bonehead Buffalo management agreed to with him.
When I read Dahlin 24 and younger took me aback a little :laugh:. Seems Dahlin been around for ten years or so
 
I think Byram is moving because Buffalo is too jammed with bodies and salary at LD. Obviously can move some of those guys to their off side, but Dahlin, Byram, Power, and Samuelsson are all LD 24 and younger and all will be on long-term deals until 2030-2032 (if/when you re-sign Byram).

With Byram, you would be able to move him before that new deal is signed and probably increase the return as the new team gets to negotiate it as opposed to just taking on whatever the bonehead Buffalo management agreed to with him.
Personally, if I were Buffalo I would trade Power or Samuelsson (who isn't any good anyway) well before I would move Byram. Byram is better than Power but Power would probably have more trade value from being a former first overall pick and 6'6" and signed long-term. The main reason I'm advocating for acquiring Byram is that he said he wants to be the clear-cut #1 guy on his team and we're just about the only team who he could be that on, so he might actually want to be here. His refusal to sign with Buffalo, if that were to happen, would be the impetus for Buffalo being willing to move him for a package of futures, which they certainly wouldn't do otherwise.
 
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Personally, if I were Buffalo I would trade Power or Samuelsson (who isn't any good anyway) well before I would move Byram. Byram is better than Power but Power would probably have more trade value from being a former first overall pick and 6'6" and signed long-term. The main reason I'm advocating for acquiring Byram is that he said he wants to be the clear-cut #1 guy on his team and we're just about the only team who he could be that on, so he might actually want to be here. His refusal to sign with Buffalo, if that were to happen, would be the impetus for Buffalo being willing to move him for a package of futures, which they certainly wouldn't do otherwise.
Watch he maneuvers his way onto the Sharks only to have Schaefer supplant him as the #1 D after one season. That would be a good problem to have.
 
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Next year will still be really bad, because the opportunities to improve our defense to "below average" are going to be limited. Grier will have to pull off several miracles. We may be better - we will not even vaguely be close to decent.

In three years, though, hopefully we will have some prospects work out and have given Grier time to work magic.

Well it depends on what we consider to be "decent" right? To me decent is at least contending for the playoffs. I do not expect that next year. But I want to see us not be one of the three worst teams in the league again. Feel like that's reasonable. Still a very bad team, but at least trending in the right direction rather than stagnating and dreaming of yet another #1 pick. If another year of Eklund, Smith and Celebrini plus Askarov, Mukh and maybe some others playing more games does not lead to even a little bit of an improvement, it would be cause for worry.
 
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Well it depends on what we consider to be "decent" right? To me decent is at least contending for the playoffs. I do not expect that next year. But I want to see us not be one of the three worst teams in the league again. Feel like that's reasonable. Still a very bad team, but at least trending in the right direction rather than stagnating and dreaming of yet another #1 pick. If another year of Eklund, Smith and Celebrini plus Askarov, Mukh and maybe some others playing more games does not lead to even a little bit of an improvement, it would be cause for worry.
The problem is getting at least one defenseman who deserves to play above a #5 role - we do not currently have anyone who meets the requirements, unless you believe that Walman's hot streak is more representative of his true talent (I do not). We will continue to be hemmed in the zone until we acquire or develop some actual quality defensemen.
 
so what do you guys see in Byram? he hasn't exactly produced at a top pairing rate and his metrics leave a lot to be desired.
I see a guy who still has potential to be a top pairing guy and is at worst a good middle-pairing guy and puck-mover. He's never going to achieve his potential sharing the ice with Dahlin and Power, so you'd be gambling on him hitting a higher level of play. If we don't get Schaefer, that's the sort of thing you'd have to do.
 
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