Speculation: 2023-24-25 Sharks Roster Discussion

[jMoneyBrah]

I think Griffey is perfectly contextualized - he was a great player with the Mariners, albeit not as good as Bonds was, and then his poor conditioning habits caught up to him in Cincinnati and his value cratered. All in all, a top ten center fielder of all time, but he never really had a case for challenging Willie Mays.

That’s just the thing. As someone who was a Bonds fan, I don’t think Bonds was clearly better until Balco, especially if we look beyond just hitting (Bonds was meh as f*** in left field). And one of the benefits of PEDs, especially the designer ones, is greatly improved recovery. So players were bouncing back from injuries in half the time, spending more time on the field through their 30s than their peers.

 

[Cas]

That’s just the thing. I don’t think Bonds was clearly better until Balco, especially if we look beyond just hitting (Bonds was meh as f*** in left field). And the benefits of PEDs, especially the designer ones, are greatly improved recovery. So players were bouncing back from injuries in half the time, spending more time on the field through their 30s than their peers.

Bonds was blowing Griffey away at the plate in the 90's, mostly because he could take a walk. Between 1990 and 1998, Griffey's highest OBP was .408; Bonds' lowest was .406. Griffey had a little more home run power, but not much, while Bonds was making far fewer outs and doing just as much with his hits.

Bonds was also more durable, and more impactful on the bases.

Defense is actually kind of a wash because Griffey was a great center fielder when he was young, but you're really underrating Bonds, who was the greatest defensive left fielder of all time and maintained his good defense a lot longer than Griffey did (when he got hurt in Cincinnati, he rapidly turned into an awful fielder).

 

[coooldude]

Maybe either of these guys is available in FA this summer and can help out our blueline? We could really use the greatest defensive left ... (checks post)... fielder of all time.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

Bonds was blowing Griffey away at the plate in the 90's, mostly because he could take a walk. Between 1990 and 1998, Griffey's highest OBP was .408; Bonds' lowest was .406. Griffey had a little more home run power, but not much, while Bonds was making far fewer outs and doing just as much with his hits.

Bonds was also more durable, and more impactful on the bases.

Defense is actually kind of a wash because Griffey was a great center fielder when he was young, but you're really underrating Bonds, who was the greatest defensive left fielder of all time and maintained his good defense a lot longer than Griffey did (when he got hurt in Cincinnati, he rapidly turned into an awful fielder).

Okay, okay, okay. Uncle.

Round 1 and 2 to you, sir.

Can we agree Griffey had the more aestheticly pleasing swing? LOL.

 

[Cas]

Maybe either of these guys is available in FA this summer and can help out our blueline? We could really use the greatest defensive left ... (checks post)... fielder of all time.

60-year-old Barry Bonds on skates for the first time is still probably a better defenseman than Vlasic.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Okay, okay, okay. Uncle.

Round 1 and 2 to you, sir.

Can we agree Griffey had the more aestheticly pleasing swing? LOL.

I feel like you'll be hard-pressed to find a left handed power hitter w/o an aesthetically pleasing swing. Both Bonds and Griffey were top notch in that department.

 

[landshark]

I like that these numbers are to the 12th decimal. I might not have been able to accurately compare them if they weren’t

Rounding is for chumps!

 

[Cas]

I feel like you'll be hard-pressed to find a left handed power hitter w/o an aesthetically pleasing swing. Both Bonds and Griffey were top notch in that department.

Stan Musial had a very flat swing - I couldn't figure out how he generated any power at all with it.

 

[landshark]

60-year-old Barry Bonds on skates for the first time is still probably a better defenseman than Vlasic.

Plus, his head has shrunk down a bit nowadays so he'll likely be able to fit into a hockey helmet and keep it on... That whole "can't play without a bucket" rule in the NHL could've bitten Bonds in the ass otherwise.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Stan Musial had a very flat swing - I couldn't figure out how he generated any power at all with it.

Even still with a flat swing on certain pitches, it was still an aesthetically pleasing swing from what I can see from the old film. But even his highlights still show Musial golfing some low balls out of the yard to go along with some short right field porches.

 

[Juxtaposer]

60-year-old Barry Bonds on skates for the first time is still probably a better defenseman than Vlasic.

He showed up to Patrick Marleau’s jersey retirement ceremony… maybe we can convince him to take a league min contract.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

He showed up to Patrick Marleau’s jersey retirement ceremony… maybe we can convince him to take a league min contract.

Maybe he knows someone who can fix Vlasic into playing better

 

[LadyStanley]

I wish we could have gotten Hjalmarsson in that offer sheet. He would've been a much more significant long term addition for us.

Which would have meant no Niemi.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Which would have meant no Niemi.

Oh no… bummer…

 

[Lebanezer]

Oh no… bummer…

 

[STL Shark]

Plus, his head has shrunk down a bit nowadays so he'll likely be able to fit into a hockey helmet and keep it on... That whole "can't play without a bucket" rule in the NHL could've bitten Bonds in the ass otherwise.

It just would have taken a literal bucket to fit on his head.

 

[Juxtaposer]

The best Antti Niemi Sharks moment without a doubt. Iconic.

 

[landshark]

It just would have taken a literal bucket to fit on his head.

I was picturing a full blown mop bucket, the big square yellow ones. Also an apt warning to all involved: PISO MOJADO!!

 

[OffSydes]

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Bonds is still very active

 

[STL Shark]

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Bonds is still very active

Kind of fitting the biggest steroid era guy is now active in the sport with the next largest steroid scandal (Lance Armstrong).

 

[Jargon]

I feel like people have been mentioning Marco for a long time. Is he actually a good coach? I know very little of him, coaching-wise but it all kinda makes sense.

 

[themelkman]

I think hes been good for LAs AHL team and coaching Germany internationally to some good games.

Thats a candidate I like a lot, I dont care about a former shark but if Grier has to think like that hes a good pick

 

[Shark Finn]

Old boys club come on down!

 

[Friday]

Old boys club come on down!

Seriously, its non stop with that haha

 

[coooldude]

Anyone know about Olofsson as a likely/unlikely Grier reclamation project?

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/buffalo-sabres/latest-news/olofsson-confirms-he-will-not-return-to-sabres

EDIT: it's a maybe, but he's kind of undersized (5'11" and 183, Eklund's size). Would potentially be a Hoffman or Labanc-style upgrade, but not like that moves the needle very much. Pickups like Kostin and Zadina are more in Grier's style - players with skill upside but also learning how to play a complete game, "hard to play against."