Speculation: 2023-2024 General Lightning Discussion - Part 5

[Zwui21]

I wonder if Anaheim and Verbeek would do:

Sheary + LA's 2nd + Utah's 2nd

for

Vatrano

Vatarano can play the top 6, 30 years old, signed for 1 more year at 3.65M, 37 goals last season.

Vatrano would be very expensive to get after his career year. If I remember correctly at the TDL many teams did their due diligence on him and said to the insiders that the price was very steep

 

[BeingTheThunder]

That's how bad off we are...smdh. this team is stuck in neutral. Thanks JBB. The value is signing stammer cheap was there. Let's be honest...this window is shut. We could've extended it 2 years. Now? We'll be lucky to make the playoffs

Good to see some things do not change. I hadn't really been on this board much in the past few years but it's good to see T REX is still just as optimistic as always.

 

[Sky04]

Yeah Steven Stamkos was really going to keep our window open

 

[Hockeyville USA]

That's how bad off we are...smdh. this team is stuck in neutral. Thanks JBB. The value is signing stammer cheap was there. Let's be honest...this window is shut. We could've extended it 2 years. Now? We'll be lucky to make the playoffs

The Cup window is probably shut. I'm more so wondering if we continue in Penguins/Capitals post contention stage of barely making/missing, or if an unintentional tank will be coming soon. Not optimistic, but I'm not expecting anything great, so I won't be as disappointed/angry as I was with most of 2023-24.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Vatrano would be very expensive to get after his career year. If I remember correctly at the TDL many teams did their due diligence on him and said to the insiders that the price was very steep

Anaheim was the only team to not do anything yesterday. Who knows what the hell is going down there right now

 

[T REX]

Yeah Steven Stamkos was really going to keep our window open

With Jake? Yes. A 1 for 1 trade off doesn't make us significantly better. Jake's gonna be 30.

Let me explain why stammer is playing well in his mid 30s...less mileage. Those injuries actually extended his final days. Jmho but it makes sense.

The team is not significantly better

 

[Sky04]

With Jake? Yes. A 1 for 1 trade off doesn't make us significantly better. Jake's gonna be 30.

Let me explain why stammer is playing well in his mid 30s...less mileage. Those injuries actually extended his final days. Jmho but it makes sense.

The team is not significantly better

Steven Stamkos' injuries made him more durable and he's a game breaker that makes you into a contender, now I've heard it all.

Guentzel has 12 less playoff goals than Stamkos in half the amount of games

 

[T REX]

Steven Stamkos' injuries made him more durable and he's a game breaker that makes you into a contender, now I've heard it all.

Guentzel has 12 less playoff goals than Stamkos in half the amount of games

That's not what I said.

He has less mileage than other 16 year vets.

Man...you're gonna be disappointed again thus year. Sorry

My bad. We are so gonna win the cup this year.

Sorry I'll start towing the company line. JBB is the best GM in the nhl. Every decision he makes is epic! My bad.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808126139342131416

https://x.com/i/web/status/1808185465914237075

 

[Outl4w]

I do recall JBB trading for 3rd liners that seemed to have some skill named Blake Coleman and Barclay Goodrow.

That was over four years ago.

 

[Sky04]

That's not what I said.

He has less mileage than other 16 year vets.

Man...you're gonna be disappointed again thus year. Sorry

Stamkos has played 2nd most games in his draft class

You do know other players get injured too right? Are you assuming every other player has played healthy their entire careers?

 

[The Gongshow]

Not entirely sure what the hold up, considering woth FA you have to be lretty quick. As we've seen majority of the worthy players are gone.

Is the Moser contract holding things up? Maybe JBB has faith in Geekie cracking the lineup?

We all know Sheary usbstarting 2nd line winger, but we still need at least one more signing with, say, roughly 2.5 - 3 mil to spend. But I think he holds onto that for TDL

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Not entirely sure what the hold up, considering woth FA you have to be lretty quick. As we've seen majority of the worthy players are gone.

Is the Moser contract holding things up? Maybe JBB has faith in Geekie cracking the lineup?

We all know Sheary usbstarting 2nd line winger, but we still need at least one more signing with, say, roughly 2.5 - 3 mil to spend. But I think he holds onto that for TDL

I hope the hold up is him working him kidnapping Roslovic's family so he signs cheap.

 

[Hockeyville USA]

I hope the hold up is him working him kidnapping Roslovic's family so he signs cheap.

Roslovic should be excited to play in Tampa. He didn't get a fair shot in Winnipeg, he got too comfortable in his hometown playing for a dysfunctional Columbus, and he was chastised every shift he wasn't great while in New York.

 

[ccman68]

what we need to do is just throw some random dude on the first line and have point and kuch carry them. Guentzel-Cirelli-Hagel works as the second line. i would try dylan duke on the top line he can just sit in front of the net and have kuch shoot pucks off his ass and in

 

[Hockeyville USA]

what we need to do is just throw some random dude on the first line and have point and kuch carry them. Guentzel-Cirelli-Hagel works as the second line. i would try dylan duke on the top line he can just sit in front of the net and have kuch shoot pucks off his ass and in

I somehow completely forgot about Duke. I think he's behind Geekie on the prospect depth chart, but his hockey IQ could give him an opportunity to get games this year in Tampa, presuming he does well in Syracuse.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Sounds like we made a play on Henrique.

 

[These Are The Days]

Roslovic should be excited to play in Tampa. He didn't get a fair shot in Winnipeg, he got too comfortable in his hometown playing for a dysfunctional Columbus, and he was chastised every shift he wasn't great while in New York.

I am down with Roslovic. I don't actually hate Cirelli. It's just that I've been watching him for 4 years and I know his go to moves are either

1. Suicide pass into double coverage when pressured

2. Dump it to the wall to Stamkos on his backhand where Stamkos would promptly lose possession

It's not gonna change with some different winger. Put Cirelli on line 3 and let him eat the hard match ups. He will score 40 points no matter what and give us near Selke defense.

He's a bit overpaid for it but that's worth it to me to see him used effectively

 

[RMF5630]

I wonder if Anaheim and Verbeek would do:

Sheary + LA's 2nd + Utah's 2nd

for

Vatrano

Vatarano can play the top 6, 30 years old, signed for 1 more year at 3.65M, 37 goals last season.


Big factor is which Vasy we get. With better Defense, it leans to say that we should get a way better Vasy than last season. But the glaring issue is another Top 6 forward.

That seems to be the idea, they don't think Offense is the issue. They think the D allowed Vasi to be human. Too many screens, I don't see McC/Cernak pairing allowing that. That Pair allows Cooper to shut down a team and Vasi has shown he can play with them and win.

The Cup window is probably shut. I'm more so wondering if we continue in Penguins/Capitals post contention stage of barely making/missing, or if an unintentional tank will be coming soon. Not optimistic, but I'm not expecting anything great, so I won't be as disappointed/angry as I was with most of 2023-24.

Ok, barely making is a bit extreme. We were the top Wild Card team. Would have been better if we weren't! BOS was a better match up. FLA was the matchup we couldn't get.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Sounds like we made a play on Henrique.

Does Cooper typically recruit like this?

 

[Outl4w]

Does Cooper typically recruit like this?

I think all coaches and players do.

 

[Crunchrulz]

Hedman is a defenseman so I suspect he is viewed differently than Stamkos, Palat or Killorn.

A study from 2014 found that:

Forwards perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 32 years old.
Forwards improve more quickly than they decline and typically begin "a significant decline in their early 30s".

D-men perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 34 years old. They improve and decline more slowly than forwards and do so very symmetrically.

Goalies on the other hand, performance varies little by age. At every age between 20 and 37, their save percentage is between 90 per cent and a tiny fraction over 91 per cent.

Logic, LOVE this!

 

[The Gongshow]

I wonder if JBB has a C/RW in mind. We're pretty light on C depth now. Having a nother C on the 2nd line wouldn't hurt.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Welp, if they wanted to sign Henrique, that tells me JBB does not have a trade lined up for the 2nd line spot.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

Welp, if they wanted to sign Henrique, that tells me JBB does not have a trade lined up for the 2nd line spot.

Probably pivoted l. Henrique signed mid afternoon yesterday. Probably started making right after.