Speculation: 2023-2024 General Lightning Discussion - Part 5

[RMF5630]

Roslovic is still available, as are Sprong and Tarasenko. I think any of those 3 would be good adds to the middle 6 if JBB can make it work.

I like those, Roslovic probably first choice. Although, I have to wonder if Tarasenko is a better fit for the Lightning style vs FLA.

 

[RMF5630]

I presume Vinik was consulted before Stammer was allowed to walk and likely with the communication leading up to today. Perhaps not, but given who Stammer is, I’d imagine so…..and that’s what bothers me the most

Gretzky was traded. If I am mad at JBB for anything is that he didn't trade him at the deadline and get value, this team was not making a run. To let him walk is stupid. If you want to be mad, be mad about that.

 

[TampaIceman]

Guess Hedman got over it quickly lol.

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Hedman got the Stamkos contract lol

 

[TampaIceman]

Hedman got the Stamkos contract lol

If JBB was trolling Stamkos he couldn’t do a better job.

 

[AHockeyFanatic]

Stamkos vs JBB ego match? Seems like both have played their part, onward, Hedman locked. Go Boltz!

 

[The Gongshow]

I do wonder if Stammer was asking for 6 or 7 and it came down to Hedman OR Stamkos (since JBB was set on Guentzel). Kind of seems that way

 

[Lightning1995]

Gretzky was traded. If I am mad at JBB for anything is that he didn't trade him at the deadline and get value, this team was not making a run. To let him walk is stupid. If you want to be mad, be mad about that.

I really don’t want to be made. And I’m really not. But I am VERY interested in how things are handled. How things are communicated. Transparency is important. Was JBB transparent with Stammer? It doesn’t seem like Stammer believes so, but I guess we will never know for sure.

 

[Zwui21]

I really don’t want to be made. And I’m really not. But I am VERY interested in how things are handled. How things are communicated. Transparency is important. Was JBB transparent with Stammer? It doesn’t seem like Stammer believes so, but I guess we will never know for sure.

It seems easy to understand tbh.
JBB wanted Stamkos to stay, but at the price he set because he saw what we all saw: Stamkos regressing in the most important parts of the game. So he could not allocate more cap to him, or it would have been detrimental to the successo of the team.
Stamkos thought he deserved more, as he still got 40G and such. But the two parties didn't find a middle ground that could work for both, so no deal came to fruition.

Obviously all this hurt Stammer ego, also because it was not the first time JBB outed him as "expendable" (asking him if he would.waive his NTC for Vegas once, not taking care of his contract last offseason, etc.).
But it's all part of a GM's job.

 

[These Are The Days]

It sounds to me that JFBB's retirement deals are all "take it or leave it" with the exception of Hedman's. Killorn, Palat and now Stamkos. This sucks dude

 

[ccman68]

It sounds to me that JFBB's retirement deals are all "take it or leave it" with the exception of Hedman's. Killorn, Palat and now Stamkos. This sucks dude

so he chose the only truly unreplaceable piece and gave him what he wants. makes sense to me

 

[Felonious Python]

It sounds to me that JFBB's retirement deals are all "take it or leave it" with the exception of Hedman's. Killorn, Palat and now Stamkos. This sucks dude

Yzerman has a similar approach. There's a certain amount of wiggle room in negotiating, but there is also a hard line that he won't cross.

We can't have two classes of people. Those who get anything they want, and everyone else. Hedman, Kuch, Point, and Vasi are all in the HHOF discussion. Where is the line?

 

[BoltsFanSinceDay1]

Yeah, it's not black and white, Don Meehan is hardly an angel and he would for sure push for as much money and term as possible (it's his job after all).

After what I read and heard, I do agree it could've been dealt with better, but I don't see it would've changed the outcome of Stamkos leaving. I don't see him take less than 6, maybe even 7 (depending on the term), with Meehan pushing hard for it.

Naive question here...are agents paid a percentage or a flat fee? If percentage, that changes the dynamics a lot.

 

[These Are The Days]

Yzerman has a similar approach. There's a certain amount of wiggle room in negotiating, but there is also a hard line that he won't cross.

We can't have two classes of people. Those who get anything they want, and everyone else. Hedman, Kuch, Point, and Vasi are all in the HHOF discussion. Where is the line?

Anyone can answer back "And Stamkos isn't?" and talk about respect

 

[DFC]

I do wonder if Stammer was asking for 6 or 7 and it came down to Hedman OR Stamkos (since JBB was set on Guentzel). Kind of seems that way

i dont think so. Hedman's contract doesnt kick in until the season after next. And I mean... Hedman got a 250k raise. It's almost status quo in terms of cap.

 

[Felonious Python]

Anyone can answer back "And Stamkos isn't?" and talk about respect

loyalty and respect seems to equate pretty much to money

 

[NJBolt]

Hedman is a defenseman so I suspect he is viewed differently than Stamkos, Palat or Killorn.

A study from 2014 found that:

Forwards perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 32 years old.
Forwards improve more quickly than they decline and typically begin "a significant decline in their early 30s".

D-men perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 34 years old. They improve and decline more slowly than forwards and do so very symmetrically.

Goalies on the other hand, performance varies little by age. At every age between 20 and 37, their save percentage is between 90 per cent and a tiny fraction over 91 per cent.

 

[Felonious Python]

What about paying guys in exposure and valuable life skills?

 

[GoBoltz56]

I thought for sure we would sign another top 6/offensive forward with this extra cap space. But all the names are gone except Tarasenko at this point.

 

[The Gongshow]

I thought for sure we would sign another top 6/offensive forward with this extra cap space. But all the names are gone except Tarasenko at this point.

They still need to sign Moser, after that they won't have top 6 player money. They most likely save some cap for TDL.

Maybe JBB pulls off a trade with someone

 

[BeingTheThunder]

They still need to sign Moser, after that they won't have top 6 player money. They most likely save some cap for TDL.

Maybe JBB pulls off a trade with someone

I have a feeling there is going to be a trade... and it's going to be significant. Just a feeling.

 

[RMF5630]

Hedman is a defenseman so I suspect he is viewed differently than Stamkos, Palat or Killorn.

A study from 2014 found that:

Forwards perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 32 years old.
Forwards improve more quickly than they decline and typically begin "a significant decline in their early 30s".

D-men perform within 90 per cent of their peak from 24 to 34 years old. They improve and decline more slowly than forwards and do so very symmetrically.

Goalies on the other hand, performance varies little by age. At every age between 20 and 37, their save percentage is between 90 per cent and a tiny fraction over 91 per cent.

Hedman is more valuable. Top D is a premium. Blue liners like Hedman are generational.

Interesting he got 32M over 4, nice term. Not going to hang forever when he is done.

 

[Outl4w]

So we lack a top 6 forward and at least one bottom 6 forward. Our defense is questionable and not certainly better or worse. So we are in the exact same spot we were post round 1 exits for leafs and panthers just no stamkos. I talked to Stamkos' yard man and he said Stamkos would take 6 million for 4 years. Jokes aside, I miss Stamkos and unless a major trade and signing happens we aren't necessarily better or worse now we may have helped the future with geekie but prospects aren't a good thing to bet on.

I like those, Roslovic probably first choice. Although, I have to wonder if Tarasenko is a better fit for the Lightning style vs FLA.

Why not sign both. Both can play top6/9.

 

[GoBoltz56]

I have a feeling there is going to be a trade... and it's going to be significant. Just a feeling.

The only 2 names I can think of would be Cirelli or Cernak, but the problem is we need top 6 forwards and top 4 d-men (especially a righty). Trading them just creates an even bigger hole. We don't really have much draft capital or prospect capital. Unless they flip Geekie, which I hope they don't.

 

[Outl4w]

When the flames are put of Contention around January we would trade sheary for mantha plus something to get it done.