Speculation: 2023-2024 General Lightning Discussion - Part 5

[Rschmitz]

one thing i wonder is how much money we are gonna need to give moser... jbb was calling him a top 4 D so good luck giving him bottom pair money after that

Would be hard to deny he's a top 4 defender after being on the Yotes top pairing the last two years and playing well.

I wouldn't bridge him unless we are desperate for the cap space, he's a perfect fit to get Hedman's and McDonagh's minutes moving forward. You know JBB is licking his chops to hand out another 8 year deal when it makes sense to do it.

 

[Zwui21]

I'm so happy we got JJ Moser. Good Dman but still lot of room to grow.
Being able to play and train with Hedman and McDonagh will make him improve quite a bit IMO

 

[Rschmitz]

It's not quite so bad. With Cirelli, there is at least the opportunity for him to earn his money. It's not so much that HE NEEDS pp time to do it. But yeah, in general. I still feel like if he's hitting 45 points and shutting down the other team's best guys, it's not bad. The problem last year, to me, was more on the shut down side.

How do you see the lines looking again with him as 3C?

 

[Master P]

How do ya'll feel about Kadri?

Maybe work out a swap for Cirelli? Get Calgary to retain some salary?

 

[Rschmitz]

How do ya'll feel about Kadri?

Maybe work out a swap for Cirelli? Get Calgary to retain some salary?

In a vacuum I'd pick Kadri as 2C over Cirelli, but the residual effects of making the swap just aren't worth it.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

JBB said teams are trying to trade players to Tampa now that they know we have a lot of cap space. Wonder who these larger contract players are. Any ideas?

 

[Zwui21]

Hedman expected to get a raise on his next contract. I wonder by how much

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807420551146737908

 

[Flat Ronnie]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807420551146737908

This is so trashy.

No matter where you stand on Stamkos' value or regression, you cannot argue that this is a disrespectful offer to the captain and face of the franchise. This isn't even pretending to be competitive. As others have said, JBB is telling Stamkos the organization values him the same as Nick Paul.

This is not how world class organizations act. You can pretend that is "shrewd" but fact remains this type of ignorance isn't even in the best interests of the on-ice product from a value standpoint.

I'm firmly in favor of what's best for the team. The team over individuals. Tough decisions. The Lightning are my favorite team/organization ever. But sometimes it's OK to accept that even they can do some really tone-deaf things.

A final offer of 3x8 is simply unacceptable.

 

[VinikToWinIt]

What an asshole. I would be livid if I was Stamkos.

 

[DMB06]

Hedman expected to get a raise on his next contract. I wonder by how much

https://x.com/i/web/status/1807420551146737908

Hedman's AAV was 7.85m, that's one of the most team friendly contracts in NHL history if you ask me. I said in another thread that we should give him a three year extension for 7.5, but if it comes in at 8-8.5, so be it. He's not the same player he once was but neither is Stammer, and if I had to pick one of them to stay it's Hedman by a mile.

According to Capfriendly, Hedman has signed contracts totaling 93.5m for his career, for Stammer it's 116.675m. Stammer has played one more season than Hedman, obviously. They're both HOF players, I don't at all mind if Hedman catches up a bit with what Stammer has made for his career, he deserves it.

 

[FinnLightning26]

Has Stamkos murdered JBB's family member/f***ed his wife/kicked his dog etc? It's ridiculous to not go over 3M for a guy who still puts up big numbers. Who cares if his cap number is at 3 or 5M in a few years when our best defensemen are ready for a retirement home and we'll suck anyway? I was against offering him a huge AAV but JBB is not operating in reality if he thinks Stamkos should take that deal.

 

[Point21]

 

[DMB06]

I don't know the reasons, if there even are any, but factoring in JBB trying to trade Stammer a few years ago and it's possible we simply don't want him back. Throw out a contract offer just to say we did, knowing he won't accept, and let him leave. I figured when we made the trades yesterday it was to keep him, but now that JBB won't budge on his offer that obviously wasn't the case.

This front office believes we can win without him, or there's more to the story that we don't, and maybe never will, know.

Or JBB is simply banking on him coming back, knowing he really wants to, and doesn't care if Stammer likes how he's going about it.

 

[BoltsFanSinceDay1]

"We have acquired Jake Guentzel"

 

[DMB06]

Wow, nice addition, but why give up a pick when he was probably coming here regardless? So basically we own his rights for one day, giving us time to negotiate, or is there a rule I'm unaware of that gives you more time to negotiate under this scenario?

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Wow, nice addition, but why give up a pick when he was probably coming here regardless? So basically we own his rights for one day, giving us time to negotiate, or is there a rule I'm unaware of that gives you more time to negotiate under this scenario?

This is basically taking all the risk out of tomorrow. Lock him up now before any shenanigans can happen on 7/1

 

[Point21]

Wow, nice addition, but why give up a pick when he was probably coming here regardless? So basically we own his rights for one day, giving us time to negotiate, or is there a rule I'm unaware of that gives you more time to negotiate under this scenario?

apparently its to get the 8th year but i think the new rule is they have to be on roster at the deadline so not sure what the plan was

 

[VinikToWinIt]

Wow, nice addition, but why give up a pick when he was probably coming here regardless? So basically we own his rights for one day, giving us time to negotiate, or is there a rule I'm unaware of that gives you more time to negotiate under this scenario?

My guess is the Stamkos situation has made the Guentzel acquisition all that more critical, and JBB wants to lock him up today to take any external factors out of it.

 

[The Gongshow]

apparently its to get the 8th year but i think the new rule is they have to be on roster at the deadline so not sure what the plan was

You are correct, we can still only offer 7 years.

But there's plenty of teams interested so JBB wants a leg up in hopes he c get something done today. Would be hilarious if he still went to FA

 

[ccman68]

yeah can't risk losing guentzel at this point. we got a lot of picks for the next draft at this point so might as well

 

[The Gongshow]

Hedman's AAV was 7.85m, that's one of the most team friendly contracts in NHL history if you ask me. I said in another thread that we should give him a three year extension for 7.5, but if it comes in at 8-8.5, so be it. He's not the same player he once was but neither is Stammer, and if I had to pick one of them to stay it's Hedman by a mile.

According to Capfriendly, Hedman has signed contracts totaling 93.5m for his career, for Stammer it's 116.675m. Stammer has played one more season than Hedman, obviously. They're both HOF players, I don't at all mind if Hedman catches up a bit with what Stammer has made for his career, he deserves it.

I love Heddy, but he should not be getting more than 7.5

 

[Flat Ronnie]

apparently its to get the 8th year but i think the new rule is they have to be on roster at the deadline so not sure what the plan was

Can't get the 8th year. This will just be a 7x term. My guess is Guentzel told Tampa he will be happy to sign there. Tampa basically gives up a 3rd just to clear potential overpays by competition tomorrow.

 

[Zwui21]

HOLY FUUUUUCK IT'S HAPPENIIIIIING

apparently its to get the 8th year but i think the new rule is they have to be on roster at the deadline so not sure what the plan was

Plan is probably to make sure he doesn't even get to FA. Let's sign him today

 

[The Gongshow]

At the very least we've potentiall picked up a top 6 forward and known playoff beast.

Guentzel - Point - Kuch
Hagel - Cirelli - ???

Can't get the 8th year. This will just be a 7x term. My guess is Guentzel told Tampa he will be happy to sign there. Tampa basically gives up a 3rd just to clear potential overpays by competition tomorrow.

Yeup. Idk which contenders have alot of cap, but someone can always swoop in.

JBB doesn't want anothet Hanafin situation

 

[Point21]

Still dont get the Guentzel hype, hes gonna be 30 when the season starts. has scored 40 goals only twice, and has only topped 80 points once