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Jersey Fresh said:
Applying that logic, every time a club gets in trouble they can continually create new shell companies and sell off parts of the club in an endless loop and it would never trace to the main club.
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Isn't that basically how Trump works?
 
Savant said:
This stat is dumb because it ignores Aston Villa and Newcastle who are actually in 4th and 6th place.

I imagine Arsenal still finishes highly because they are very good, but this is such dumb framing.
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Yet it wasn't dumb when Liverpool were "big game monsters" in recent years...

I didn't bother to look up other teams' results, but if you added Aston Villa and Newcastle, Arsenal would be on 25 points, which would be at the very least tied for first.
 
KJS14 said:
Yet it wasn't dumb when Liverpool were "big game monsters" in recent years...

I didn't bother to look up other teams' results, but if you added Aston Villa and Newcastle, Arsenal would be on 25 points, which would be at the very least tied for first.
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Saying you are unbeaten in the big six, and not including the 4th and 6th place teams is dumb. Period. That’s the point here. We can argue if the concept of there being a “big 6” (there isn’t) but you can’t argue where teams currently are in the table. Big six, I guess is based on commercialism. It’s not based on talent. It’s bad framing.
 
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Savant said:
Saying you are unbeaten in the big six, and not including the 4th and 6th place teams is dumb. Period. That’s the point here. We can argue if the concept of there being a “big 6” (there isn’t) but you can’t argue where teams currently are in the table. Big six, I guess is based on commercialism. It’s not based on talent. It’s bad framing.
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It's a data point. One that only you seem to be reading into more than necessary. Pretty sure us Arsenal fans are more focused on the league table than the "big 6" table, but sure... go off on how dumb it is!
 
bluesfan94 said:
That's not what the Big 6 means, or has ever meant.
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Which is why Big 6, as a concept itself, is dumb

KJS14 said:
It's a data point. One that only you seem to be reading into more than necessary. Pretty sure us Arsenal fans are more focused on the league table than the "big 6" table, but sure... go off on how dumb it is!
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Arsenal fan is the one that posted this so….
 
Savant said:
Arsenal fan is the one that posted this so….
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Yeah an Arsenal fan posted it. But if you notice, he didn't say something like "wow look, we should be winning the league easily with how much better we are than the rest of the big 6 head to head." Only you have overreacted to it.
 
KJS14 said:
Yeah an Arsenal fan posted it. But if you notice, he didn't say something like "wow look, we should be winning the league easily with how much better we are than the rest of the big 6 head to head." Only you have overreacted to it.
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I don’t think I am the one overreacting here?

I’m just saying it’s not a big six if two of the top six teams aren’t in it.

I also said Arsenal would still be in a good spot even if they were, so I am really not sure why you guys are so butt hurt

Brunkmeister said:
Last season we shouldn’t count teams like Newcastle since it was a down year but this year it’s suddenly fine.
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No one said this

bluesfan94 said:
It's a table that shows Liverpool in fourth and well behind Arsenal. Of course the Liverpool fan has issues. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Irrelevant and inconsequential
 
bluesfan94 said:
It's a table that shows Liverpool in fourth and well behind Arsenal. Of course the Liverpool fan has issues. Nothing more, nothing less.
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And guess what? Since Liverpool were in the titlerace for like 34-35 games we haven’t heard a single word about a down year. Crazy huh?
 
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Brunkmeister said:
If you look at how the english teams performed in Europe i would say it’s more of a down year then it was last year.
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wouldn't poor performances from english teams in europe this year validate the opinion that last year was the down year

because the teams who unexpectedly qualified for europe based on last year proved to be out of their depth this year

i don't want to wade into any 'down year' discourse, i just don't think you're making the point you think you are here
 
Brunkmeister said:
If you look at how the english teams performed in Europe i would say it’s more of a down year then it was last year.
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I think that’s fair. I think you can look at that and you can look at needing less than 90 points to win that league and make that conclusion. Don’t have anything wrong with that.

Wee Baby Seamus said:
wouldn't poor performances from english teams in europe this year validate the opinion that last year was the down year

because the teams who unexpectedly qualified for europe based on last year proved to be out of their depth this year

i don't want to wade into any 'down year' discourse, i just don't think you're making the point you think you are here
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way to steal the punchline :)

But yeah I mean I think while this year has been competitive, I don’t think it’s been great. I certainly don’t the the product has been great, but I think a big part of it is the two teams at the top realized there are too many games so they didn’t want to run as much
 
Savant said:
I think that’s fair. I think you can look at that and you can look at needing less than 90 points to win that league and make that conclusion. Don’t have anything wrong with that.


way to steal the punchline :)

But yeah I mean I think while this year has been competitive, I don’t think it’s been great. I certainly don’t the the product has been great, but I think a big part of it is the two teams at the top realized there are too many games so they didn’t want to run as much
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Wee Baby Seamus said:
wouldn't poor performances from english teams in europe this year validate the opinion that last year was the down year

because the teams who unexpectedly qualified for europe based on last year proved to be out of their depth this year

i don't want to wade into any 'down year' discourse, i just don't think you're making the point you think you are here
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Both points are correct, but since all the ”big teams” also failed to make an impact in Europe i’d say it was weak overall. And that could very well be the conclusion of playing too many games. The relegation teams are way worse than last season also.
 
Wee Baby Seamus said:
because the teams who unexpectedly qualified for europe based on last year proved to be out of their depth this year
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The question, of course, is whether those teams are bad this year or were other teams bad last year. Probably a bit of both, especially looking at the injury issues of a team like Newcastle (along with the group they were in).
 
Wee Baby Seamus said:
wouldn't poor performances from english teams in europe this year validate the opinion that last year was the down year

because the teams who unexpectedly qualified for europe based on last year proved to be out of their depth this year
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Not disagreeing with your entire point, but part of that is some of those teams having quality players to perform well in the league last year, but not enough depth to play twice a week in Europe.

Last year we were told that the league was bad all year, including it being a down year for City, and then City ended up winning the treble.

Wee Baby Seamus said:
i don't want to wade into any 'down year' discourse, i just don't think you're making the point you think you are here
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Too bad, now you're in it
 
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