Prospect Info: 2022 8OA, Marco Kasper

[heyfolks]

Top 9, got it. To your list of four add Kasper. I will search , but near certain I deleted the telecast. They had JV,centering Burger and Motte with Watson as 13. They also walked through the log jam on the blue line and in net and concluded that if any prospect were to be added, they would need to make a trade/waive. Of course, they said anything is possible, but thought all the prospects who didn't need waivers would start the year in GR.

This turned into the truth, and preliminary roster. Still more cuts to come and, possibly, trades that bring one of them back to Detroit.

Would love to see the payback for the Walman move be the Sharks pick up Holl so the Wings aren't cap hit.

 

[wingsfannn919191]

Ah steve yzerman .... the guy who says he'll make room for the kids who force they're way on to the team and thus proceeds to bring in garbage players and keeps delaying them.

 

[RRhoads]

Sending Kasper down when he's been the best of the Wings prospects in the preseason.

Honestly, I think he has been the best player, not only best prospect.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Honestly, I think he has been the best player, not only best prospect.

He's played with the most intensity. It's a kick in the balls to send a guy down when he's very obviously earned that spot and the only reason a few bums get to stay is the GM has to do more work to move them.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Honestly, I think he has been the best player, not only best prospect.

I might agree, but obviously one has to stay reasonable and understand the vets are going at 60-80% capacity.

I'm one of Kasper's biggest supporters here but I think we need to hold off judgement a bit. Someone could tweak something in practice on tuesday and Kasper's back up. Berggren could go scoreless the first few games and be dumped for a pick. There's a ton of possibilities where Kasper still plays like 70+ NHL games this season.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

This turned into the truth, and preliminary roster. Still more cuts to come and, possibly, trades that bring one of them back to Detroit.

Would love to see the payback for the Walman move be the Sharks pick up Holl so the Wings aren't cap hit.

Veleno, Berggren, Matta traded for a #4 RD and 2 minor leaguers. Mazur and Kasper up.

 

[Geezer WC]

He's played with the most intensity. It's a kick in the balls to send a guy down when he's very obviously earned that spot and the only reason a few bums get to stay is the GM has to do more work to move them.

And he did it with some disinterested vets on his line. The guy passed the test despite that.

 

[wingsfannn919191]

He's played with the most intensity. It's a kick in the balls to send a guy down when he's very obviously earned that spot and the only reason a few bums get to stay is the GM has to do more work to move them.

Yzerman's the one bringing these bums ... its funny last season I said bring in motte and Watson as depth guys to the kids develop an extra season

He delays bringing them a year and delays the kids. I cant see how future ncaa kids refuse to sign here. Even top 10 picks get they're nhl starts at 21.

Everyone else 23-24 despite some being ready

 

[Pavels Dog]

Veleno, Berggren, Matta traded for a #4 RD

Not too many teams dealing with having too many top 4 RDs.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

Would be pretty disappointing if he's not on the team for the majority of games this season. But let's wait and see what happens.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Veleno, Berggren, Matta traded for a #4 RD and 2 minor leaguers. Mazur and Kasper up.

i don't know if that gets you a top 4 rd better than petry

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

You guys gotta stop defending everything yzerman does, he does a lot of dumb shit that holland would do. If kasper isn’t on the opening night roster that’s a disgrace, flat out. I’m really really tired of this, and I hope it’s just for the time being but it gets fixed soon. Either way, kasper makes our team better, and if we want to be actually pushing for the playoffs instead of just giving lip service that we want to, he needs to be on the team.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Do we think it's Berggren whose stopping him from being up at this point? Honestly, I think it comes at the expense of Veleno.

Debrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Tarasenko - Compher - Kane

Motte - Fischer - Watson are all checking line/physical wingers and depth guys used on a rotation are going to eat pretty awful minutes...don't really want to waste 8 min a night of Kasper on that.

Berggren is streaky, one-dimensional winger with upside; that's not exactly the role that Kasper is looking to fill. Honestly, Burger is a good winger for Kasper (as proven by last year).

The idea that our third line would be Berggren - Kasper - Rasmussen (basically what Copp centered 2 years ago)

And keeping a 4th line and 1st grouping for PK Motte - Copp - Fischer/Watson

I think it's Joey V whose the odd man out here.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Do we think it's Berggren whose stopping him from being up at this point? Honestly, I think it comes at the expense of Veleno.

Debrincat - Larkin - Raymond
Tarasenko - Compher - Kane

Motte - Fischer - Watson are all checking line/physical wingers and depth guys used on a rotation are going to eat pretty awful minutes...don't really want to waste 8 min a night of Kasper on that.

Berggren is streaky, one-dimensional winger with upside; that's not exactly the role that Kasper is looking to fill. Honestly, Burger is a good winger for Kasper (as proven by last year).

The idea that our third line would be Berggren - Kasper - Rasmussen (basically what Copp centered 2 years ago)

And keeping a 4th line and 1st grouping for PK Motte - Copp - Fischer/Watson

I think it's Joey V whose the odd man out here.

Well if bums like copp and weren’t on the team kasper could easily be on the roster but yzerman gave him basically an untradeable contract. Only way we get rid of idiots like copp and holl is if we pay assets to get rid of them, like Walman.

 

[saska sault]

Would be pretty disappointing if he's not on the team for the majority of games this season. But let's wait and see what happens.

That's my hope. Optimistic Yzerman has something still in the works but only time will tell...

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Well if bums like copp and weren’t on the team kasper could easily be on the roster but yzerman gave him basically an untradeable contract. Only way we get rid of idiots like copp and holl is if we pay assets to get rid of them, like Walman.

I dunno, I have a more favorable opinion of Copp than most. That being said, I've been a big #teamkasper guy here for years and I don't really want Kasper to do what Copp does. He's too good for that. I think it's Veleno whose kind of the redundant depth piece here.

Copp is what he is...he's a 40pt C who plays a pretty uninspired 2-way game but eats hard minutes, takes the in zone face offs, is first on the PK, throws his body around and works hard. That's some rough minutes. There aren't many people here who are high on Kasper as I am but if you told me he needed to come in here and take Copp's minutes? Pass.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I didn’t see any of the preseason games. Were they playing Kasper at center or wing?

I’m wondering if it’s another case of wanting him to play big minutes and not fourth line. But to center the 3rd line he’s got to be able to take faceoffs and not get crushed.

Hopefully he gets real time in the lineup this season. I want to see our shiny new toys.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

That's my hope. Optimistic Yzerman has something still in the works but only time will tell...

Yeah, not expecting any trades by any team until Tuesday once the waivers are all done and rosters set, there does not seem to be any team in dire straits to get to the floor or dump cap yet.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

i mean, they could sign watson and immediately send him down and bring kasper up for opening night. let's see how it plays out before we freak out

 

[DoMakc]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detro...ews/breaking-red-wings-trim-roster-down-to-28

This is f***ing dumb. Sending Kasper down when he's been the best of the Wings prospects in the preseason. AND one of the very best wings forwards every game he's been in. Better than Motte, Veleno, Fischer, Watson, Rasmussen, Berggren and even Tank. This kid 100% deserved a spot on the opening night roster.

I honestly don't understand why are you surprised. Last year they had a shitty defense core with two 3rd pairings and basically one or two reliable defensemen. Edvinsson was at least 3rd best defenseman in pre-season and still got demoted. This year there is no necessity in keeping Kasper up, why do you think Yzerman do so? That's how he rolls, deal with it.

 

[ricky0034]

I think i'm reaching the point where i've become pretty numb to this stuff

which is a little depressing to think about

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

Total bullshit. Camp and the preseason mean nothing. You can't play your way into a roster spot on this team.

 

[heyfolks]

He's played with the most intensity. It's a kick in the balls to send a guy down when he's very obviously earned that spot and the only reason a few bums get to stay is the GM has to do more work to move them.

 

[heyfolks]

It is all about asset management. Kasper has waiver options. Keeping him means losing leverage in any deal to make space for him. Why would any GM to that until he sees what moves can be made as other teams trim their roster?

I hope the roster on opening day goes on a 30 game win streak and the kids have to fight like hell in GR to get space on the big club. The reality is not in favor of this outcome. Injuries, lack of chemistry inability to grow into a regular at the NHL level, surprise player availability in a trade, whatever, will create opportunities in most years.

 

[RedHawkDown]

Absolutely embarrassing. And because it’s Yzerman people will come up with ridiculous big brain 4D chess reasons to excuse an objectively stupid move.

When it was Holland doing this, the same people were furious.