AhosDatsyukian
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CandyCanes
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I imagine he may get a couple looks in the NHL next season. Impressive rookie campaign
Navin R Slavin
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If Skyler plays 1 game with the Canes, I personally will be delighted.
If he plays more, I'll probably be mad. But maybe not!
SvechneJerk
Christ is King
So the whole Wolves nonsense is affecting Carolina's ability to sign prospects as they have no idea where they will be playing next year--which brings up the question--why does the AHL allow an independent team? While I like watching non-affiliated teams play, it really isn't for the quality of hockey, just the ability to pay minor league money for minor league play. No one from Winston-Salem or Huntsville or Fayetteville will ever sniff the NHL and I'm ok with that. But why would any team owner want their prospects to play against a team that has no potential repercussions for other NHL teams? Say Chicago goes out and gets a group of AAAA players,, including some goons--what is to prevent them from throwing hits that would be borderline at best? There are no roster limits, so Chicago could just go out and get new goons if they are suspended and most likely the players throwing the hits wouldn't have an NHL career anyways--so why would they care? It is just not a good decision for the NHL to let their property play against players they don't really have any control over.
If Chicago and the other 5 non-NHL teams think they can make money having a league devoid of NHL prospects, go for it--but the NHL shouldn't allow their players to participate.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't really think I am...
If Chicago and the other 5 non-NHL teams think they can make money having a league devoid of NHL prospects, go for it--but the NHL shouldn't allow their players to participate.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't really think I am...
DaveG
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Here's the thing, we REALLY don't know if the AHL even will allow a non-affiliated team to play. The last time a team tried it was Norfolk, and the AHL basically said "well, we make the schedules, we say you have to have an affiliate". I'd love to see them take the same approach with the Wolves.
Either way, affiliating with them was monumentally stupid to begin with and now we're seeing the results. I wouldn't be surprised if some rumor of this was spreading over a month ago in some circles seeing as how Morrow, a guy that really doesn't have much left to prove at the NCAA level, is going back rather than signing. And in a situation where the possibility exists that we have a split affiliation meaning he'd possibly be getting ECHL ice time or playing once every 3 games I really can't f***ing blame him.
From what I recall the Wolves would still have to meet the eligibility requirements, but that still doesn't stop them from pulling what the Jackets did at Traverse City and signing a bunch of 23-25 YO NCAA guys that have no shot at the NHL or ECHLers that haven't played that many games yet in the A or Europe. And I could easily see them trying to take that same approach over the course of a season, making a mockery of the whole thing in the process.
Either way, affiliating with them was monumentally stupid to begin with and now we're seeing the results. I wouldn't be surprised if some rumor of this was spreading over a month ago in some circles seeing as how Morrow, a guy that really doesn't have much left to prove at the NCAA level, is going back rather than signing. And in a situation where the possibility exists that we have a split affiliation meaning he'd possibly be getting ECHL ice time or playing once every 3 games I really can't f***ing blame him.
From what I recall the Wolves would still have to meet the eligibility requirements, but that still doesn't stop them from pulling what the Jackets did at Traverse City and signing a bunch of 23-25 YO NCAA guys that have no shot at the NHL or ECHLers that haven't played that many games yet in the A or Europe. And I could easily see them trying to take that same approach over the course of a season, making a mockery of the whole thing in the process.
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And its not just Morrow--Fensore, Wall and Rizzo are in the same boat. Those are the 3 that really need to prove something to make it and now that chance is, at best, delayed.
I agree letting egos get in the way of business was really the impetus for all of this nonsense, Charlotte was better for Carolina and better for the Checkers but that is water under the bridge and the Canes need to find an affiliate and soon. Then the AHL needs to accept the fight with Chicago and realize that if a court battle is needed, they have to go to court.
I agree letting egos get in the way of business was really the impetus for all of this nonsense, Charlotte was better for Carolina and better for the Checkers but that is water under the bridge and the Canes need to find an affiliate and soon. Then the AHL needs to accept the fight with Chicago and realize that if a court battle is needed, they have to go to court.
Nikishin Go Boom
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It turns out, Chicago treated Carolina the same way they treated St. Louis.
Funny thing is the AHL board is blaming Dundon for this and claiming Carolina didn't put the money into veterans. I see plenty of veterans in Chicago on 2-way deals (Dzingel, MacEachern, Stromwall, Fitzgerald, Lagesson, trade for Dugan); they just didn't play well. Meanwhile, the two best veterans on 2-way deals made the Hurricanes out of camp (Noesen, Chatfield.)
I don't have an issue with Chicago trying to go independent, but I question if they will be able to sign enough good players to be competitive. When given a choice between a 2-way deal with the chance of being called up to the NHL, or a higher salaried deal exclusively with an AHL team, what do you think most players are going to take? I am confident most of them will take the 2-way deal with the chance to play in the NHL.
And if they aren't taking a 2-way deal, do they choose to play in the AHL in Chicago or in Europe?
Nikishin Go Boom
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I think Carolina knew what they were getting into.
3 years ago and since, the Canes weren’t going to have many actual prospects in the AHL and didn’t want to pay a ton for AHL veterans who weren’t much more than emergency callups. Chicago was more than willing to oblige because they want to win and were willing to pay (Charlotte wanted to spend as little as possible).
Then the pandemic hit, and chicago probably wanted some help with the veterans. They got some reprieve by splitting with Nashville but likely didn’t get much more help from Carolina.
As they struggle this year and likely lose ticket revenue, especially playoff revenue, Chicago likely wanted some help with veteran contracts. Carolina likely said sure, we give you much cheaper prospects to fill out the roster and be more prospect focused next year. Chicago said eff off.
So to sum up: the Chicago Wolves neither know their role nor shut their mouth.
CandyCanes
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Nikishin Go Boom
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based on his projections and depth drafting, he would have a better chance of making the Oilers roster than ours.
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Yeah, but his name is Skyler Brind'Amour, not Skyler Woodcroft.
Lempo
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We get to still whine about the draft UFAs, right?
We'll probably whine about this one, too: "We all know why he is playing..."
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FlyingSquirrels
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Surely there is at least 1 AHL team up for sale. After this mess Dundon must see the benefits of actually owning an AHL franchise as opposed to affiliating with one. Right??
DaveG
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you'd think so, but not all that likely. Majority of the ones that are team owned were bought a while back or granted when the parent club expanded into the NHL. A lot of the remaining AHL independent-affiliations are teams that were in much better financial shape.
The one idea that does intrigue me is that 1 - there has been some smoke around the Atlanta hockey community about the Gladiators moving up to the AHL level since Anson Carter bought the team, and 2 - there's the rumor out there about the possibility of Houston and Atlanta as the NHLs next expansion targets, which Anson is expected to be involved with at the Atlanta side. I can see the Canes trying to work with Anson and the AHL to get them up to the AHL level if Chicago is 100% insistent about going independent. Yeah scheduling for a 33 team league is a pain, but is it all that much different than when the NHL scheduled for a 21 team league for years?
My preference is still obviously for the AHL to go "the hell you are" to Chicago going fully independent... as long as we have a completely different affiliate ourselves.
AhosDatsyukian
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lol exactly, we're going to be seeing 1st line SBA and whine even more than seeing 1st line Martinook.
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hblueridgegal
We'll bounce back
DaveG
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OK as much as we need a goalie prospect in the pipeline for next season (as long as it's not split affiliates) that's frigin hilarious.
Kid is pretty decent though. Can't say I'd mind our minors group being Sawchenko, Perets, Kucharski aside from the fact that we'll probably need our 3rd goalie at some point and I'd like someone more established than those 3 for that.
AhosDatsyukian
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Article from a week ago with Nikishin's former HC
www.sports.ru
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The translation makes it sound a bit strange but basically Nikishin was seriously considering coming over here a few years ago, wound up deciding to develop in the K and the trade to SKA of course helped him start to realize his full potential there. I have very little doubt we'll see him here in 2 years. I don't think there's much concern that he never comes to NA, unless political/war things get significantly bigger than they are right now.
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www.sports.ru
Relevant quote:
The translation makes it sound a bit strange but basically Nikishin was seriously considering coming over here a few years ago, wound up deciding to develop in the K and the trade to SKA of course helped him start to realize his full potential there. I have very little doubt we'll see him here in 2 years. I don't think there's much concern that he never comes to NA, unless political/war things get significantly bigger than they are right now.
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