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I'd much rather it be "too hot" out then "too cold"

plus, -30 is much more dangerous than +30....if your furnace breaks down in -30, your pipes can burst
if your car breaks down in -30, you better have warm clothing or you could die really quickly

Same can be said about heat. You can easily get heat exhaustion and die in the heat if you cannot keep yourself cool. And there is way more resources to keep yourself warm than there is to keep yourself cool.

Like my dad used to say "In -30, you can bundle yourself up more and survive it easily. Once +30 hits, you take off your clothes, then what? can't take your skin off too!"
 
I'd much rather it be "too hot" out then "too cold"

plus, -30 is much more dangerous than +30....if your furnace breaks down in -30, your pipes can burst
if your car breaks down in -30, you better have warm clothing or you could die really quickly
If your furnace breaks down it would take several days to a week for the temps to drop enough to freeze your pipes. Unless your place is really poorly insulated. The simplest thing when furnace breaks down is to just turn water off at the main if worried about that and bleed the lines=no breaking pipes ever.

People freak out when furnace breaks down. They think magically their place is going to be a frost factory in hours. lol. We had our furnace break down several times in winter. Took me 8hrs to get the right parts one time. The whole time it had only sunk 5C inside and was still at 15C when I fixed furnace. Total time was about 12hours between furnace breaking down(could have been more because it stopped at night)

People should have some space heaters anyway. Its a winter climate.

People that drive in their car in a winter climate without emergency provisions, blanket warm clothing truly amaze me.

But one could make an equivalent of driving through a desert without even carrying a bottle or gallons of water. Stupid people manage to kill themselves everywhere.
 
Same can be said about heat. You can easily get heat exhaustion and die in the heat if you cannot keep yourself cool. And there is way more resources to keep yourself warm than there is to keep yourself cool.
sure, but frostbite can hit someone within minutes, heat exhaustion takes longer (in general)

Like my dad used to say "In -30, you can bundle yourself up more and survive it easily. Once +30 hits, you take off your clothes, then what? can't take your skin off too!"

just stay in the shade and keep hydrated ;)
 
Same can be said about heat. You can easily get heat exhaustion and die in the heat if you cannot keep yourself cool. And there is way more resources to keep yourself warm than there is to keep yourself cool.

Like my dad used to say "In -30, you can bundle yourself up more and survive it easily. Once +30 hits, you take off your clothes, then what? can't take your skin off too!"
This is the thing. Winter is no danger if you provision/prepare for it. There is no preparation available for your car breaking down in middle of desert at +40C conditions.

People survived in this climate wearing furs living in igloos or teepees. Conversely many of the places we call Habitable now are only that due to the introduction of AC. Without which people die. The human body can survive -30 easily if properly dressed. The human body cannot survive +40C for extended times. We're not lizards, we're warm blooded and theres limits to how much heat we can tolerate. Nor does human physiology adapt to heat to any great degree. Anything OVER body temp can become bad news.
 
If your furnace breaks down it would take several days to a week for the temps to drop enough to freeze your pipes. Unless your place is really poorly insulated. The simplest thing when furnace breaks down is to just turn water off at the main if worried about that and bleed the lines=no breaking pipes ever.

People freak out when furnace breaks down. They think magically their place is going to be a frost factory in hours. lol. We had our furnace break down several times in winter. Took me 8hrs to get the right parts one time. The whole time it had only sunk 5C inside and was still at 15C when I fixed furnace. Total time was about 12hours between furnace breaking down(could have been more because it stopped at night)

People should have some space heaters anyway. Its a winter climate.

People that drive in their car in a winter climate without emergency provisions, blanket warm clothing truly amaze me.

But one could make an equivalent of driving through a desert without even carrying a bottle or gallons of water. Stupid people manage to kill themselves everywhere.
it's one threat, whether or not it happens isn't the point...you don't have to worry about that in the summer

starting a car in -30 whether isn't a pleasant experience either, neverminded taking the time to bundle up...then praying the block heater did its job and the car starts

these sorts of things you don't have to worry about in +30 weather

obviously there could be problems in +30 weather (like brown outs from people cranking their A/C all day) but nothing as bad as -30 IMO
 
it's one threat, whether or not it happens isn't the point...you don't have to worry about that in the summer

starting a car in -30 whether isn't a pleasant experience either, neverminded taking the time to bundle up...then praying the block heater did its job and the car starts

these sorts of things you don't have to worry about in +30 weather

obviously there could be problems in +30 weather (like brown outs from people cranking their A/C all day) but nothing as bad as -30 IMO

Difference is we don't usually get long periods of -30 and lower for too long, and it usually mellows out faster. But if you lived in a place like Arizona, it's hot in the +30 to +40's consistently. So for me, I'm taking my chances in the cold.
 
My guess is that you'd like New Zealand... especially the South Island. Temps are moderate in summer and not too cold in winter... but they still get 4 seasons and you can ski in winter and then drive to a beach same day an hour or 2 away. Hiking/camping/outdoor activities etc are tremendous there and basically zero dangerous animals... not even a bear in the woods to worry about.

Good health care... high safety level... English speaking. Politics is sensible unlike USA. Downside is cost of living is still pretty high as it's an island nation that depends on imports so costs are as high or higher than Canada.

It's big enough of a country though that you can find areas away from the coasts so flooding isn't going to be as big an issue inland.

I kind of rule it out for that high cost of living and I want even warmer temperatures year round :)... but I absolutely know for many it would be pretty much paradise there.
I'd lime New Zealand more now. haha. Not so much a month ago. Never been there and the flight time and expense is a lot but its an interesting place from the looks of it. Australia doesn't appeal to me at all. Its interesting how different the climates are from one to the other.
it's one threat, whether or not it happens isn't the point...you don't have to worry about that in the summer

starting a car in -30 whether isn't a pleasant experience either, neverminded taking the time to bundle up...then praying the block heater did its job and the car starts

these sorts of things you don't have to worry about in +30 weather

obviously there could be problems in +30 weather (like brown outs from people cranking their A/C all day) but nothing as bad as -30 IMO
It takes around a few minutes to warm up in a proper -25 rated sleeping bag one of which I always have in the car. Even quicker if one has a snuggly partner.

In anycase its seldom -30 here, and when it is not usually for long. Most winters you get one or two days that are that cold. In many places in arizona for instance it hits =40C for months and doesn't relent.

Also keeping in mind most places that have hotter summers, its not +30, its +40, and commonly.

The test of climate is whether you can survive nomadically in any specific region. Whether people were able to survive such places nomadically. To wit people didn't ever live in deserts, they crossed them, at great peril, to get to habitable places. People didn't live in deserts before AC. They did live on the prairies, they even lived in the arctic, because you could, and could survive. That isn't opinion, its fact.

Picture it like this. If theres a catastrophe you can survive a winter climate that has access to water. You could survive for years or endlessly if properly prepared. without power, energy, running tap water you would die in a housing development in arizona in days or weeks. With literally no chance of survival.

brownouts and power failures in many parts of the world are emergency situations.

ps it doesn't much matter if your car starts and the roads are melting and are too hot to even walk on. Yeah, heat is a hell of a problem, pun intended. ;)

 
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I'd lime New Zealand more now. haha. Not so much a month ago. Never been there and the flight time and expense is a lot but its an interesting place from the looks of it. Australia doesn't appeal to me at all. Its interesting how different the climates are from one to the other.

It takes around a few minutes to warm up in a proper -25 rated sleeping bag one of which I always have in the car. Even quicker if one has a snuggly partner.

In anycase its seldom -30 here, and when it is not usually for long. Most winters you get one or two days that are that cold. In many places in arizona for instance it hits =40C for months and doesn't relent.

Also keeping in mind most places that have hotter summers, its not +30, its +40, and commonly.

The test of climate is whether you can survive nomadically in any specific region. Whether people were able to survive such places nomadically. To wit people didn't ever live in deserts, they crossed them, at great peril, to get to habitable places. People didn't live in deserts before AC. They did live on the prairies, they even lived in the arctic, because you could, and could survive. That isn't opinion, its fact.

Picture it like this. If theres a catastrophe you can survive a winter climate that has access to water. You could survive for years or endlessly if properly prepared. without power, energy, running tap water you would die in a housing development in arizona in days or weeks. With literally no chance of survival.

brownouts and power failures in many parts of the world are emergency situations.

ps it doesn't much matter if your car starts and the roads are melting and are too hot to even walk on. Yeah, heat is a hell of a problem, pun intended. ;)

sure, if the end of the world is upon us, I'll be sure to head for the cold climates where there's plenty of snow available ;)

in the meantime, I'd rather not start my car in freezing cold temps, and drive on dangerous icy roads

I love Alberta in the summer...the long nights, the good temperatures...but from November to March, it's a tough place to be...and I enjoy skating and skiing as often as I can
I just wish the average winter temperature was like 5 degrees warmer

I mean, look at how many Canadian ex-pats move to places like Arizona and never come back...I wonder why
 
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sure, if the end of the world is upon us, I'll be sure to head for the cold climates where there's plenty of snow available ;)

in the meantime, I'd rather not start my car in freezing cold temps, and drive on dangerous icy roads

I love Alberta in the summer...the long nights, the good temperatures...but from November to March, it's a tough place to be...and I enjoy skating and skiing as often as I can
I just wish the average winter temperature was like 5 degrees warmer

I mean, look at how many Canadian ex-pats move to places like Arizona and never come back...I wonder why
People are coming back. Theres net migration from Vancouver mainland to Alberta citties now because lower mainland is unaffordable, people sick of grey sky and not seeing the sun for months, and sick of pineapple express storm systems and Chilliwack flooding. Sick of corridors like Coquihalla and Fraser highway that are notorious for closures and worse.

A lot of places people presently live, they are living there on borrowed time. The water situation in much of the southwest US is untenable. Theres just no way to continue and even in California so arid, so water tapped out that forest fires constant now. Nature kind of fighting back in many places.
 
My guess is that you'd like New Zealand... especially the South Island. Temps are moderate in summer and not too cold in winter... but they still get 4 seasons and you can ski in winter and then drive to a beach same day an hour or 2 away. Hiking/camping/outdoor activities etc are tremendous there and basically zero dangerous animals... not even a bear in the woods to worry about.

Good health care... high safety level... English speaking. Politics is sensible unlike USA. Downside is cost of living is still pretty high as it's an island nation that depends on imports so costs are as high or higher than Canada.

It's big enough of a country though that you can find areas away from the coasts so flooding isn't going to be as big an issue inland.

I kind of rule it out for that high cost of living and I want even warmer temperatures year round :)... but I absolutely know for many it would be pretty much paradise there.
I'd like New Zealand more now. haha. Not so much a month ago. Never been there and the flight time and expense is a lot but its an interesting place from the looks of it. Australia doesn't appeal to me at all. Its interesting how different the climates are from one to the other.
 
sure, if the end of the world is upon us, I'll be sure to head for the cold climates where there's plenty of snow available ;)

in the meantime, I'd rather not start my car in freezing cold temps, and drive on dangerous icy roads

I love Alberta in the summer...the long nights, the good temperatures...but from November to March, it's a tough place to be...and I enjoy skating and skiing as often as I can
I just wish the average winter temperature was like 5 degrees warmer

I mean, look at how many Canadian ex-pats move to places like Arizona and never come back...I wonder why
Can't handle the cold like a true Canadian would? ;)
 
I think I'd risk the dangers of -30C before going to say Ecuador or Columbia. Beautiful places but I don't like places with lots of risk involved. Just like I figured most moderate temp places are near water and islands and coastal regions and stuff. Water kind of freaks me out. I live in a perfect place that doesn't have flooding like ever, except in isolated parts of river valley. Flooding would freak me out a lot. Living in low lying regions near sea level would be worse.

I hope you find that right place sometime. Its a beautiful globe, has to be some perfect type place for everybody. The only place that really did it for me was Hawaii except islands and way too much water, haha Any other place I've been hasn't been the right cup of tea. Should mention I'm not a big fan of poisonous insects, lizards and gila monsters and stuff. haha

In another life I would have been a desert dweller- I hate humidity except in controlled circumstances like steam showers etc. But, I'd take the prairies seasonality since I also enjoy winter and winter activities (particularly skiing) even if it is a month too long here.

The downsides of living elsewhere are not really worth it for me like you pointed out, more pests (ie: rats), dangerous (poisonous) animals and bugs, not a big fan of water environments in general but don't mind them for short periods like on a vacation. Obviously we have dangerous cold, bears, cougars, etc but those can be avoided for the most part.

New Zealand could be another ideal place for someone like me like @nexttothemoon mentioned. It's definitely on my list of places I'd like to go that I haven't been yet. Funny how different it is from Australia in that sense (0% interest going there).
 
In another life I would have been a desert dweller- I hate humidity except in controlled circumstances like steam showers etc. But, I'd take the prairies seasonality since I also enjoy winter and winter activities (particularly skiing) even if it is a month too long here.

The downsides of living elsewhere are not really worth it for me like you pointed out, more pests (ie: rats), dangerous (poisonous) animals and bugs, not a big fan of water environments in general but don't mind them for short periods like on a vacation. Obviously we have dangerous cold, bears, cougars, etc but those can be avoided for the most part.

New Zealand could be another ideal place for someone like me like @nexttothemoon mentioned. It's definitely on my list of places I'd like to go that I haven't been yet. Funny how different it is from Australia in that sense (0% interest going there).
I can't stand desert conditions. Or the organisms that live there. Or the lack of water and arable land.

Only thing I wish with Edmonton is it was closer to mountains but then you get all the weather and hardships of being too close to mountain weather. Edson might be around the perfect location, but its Edson, lol. Canmore and Hinton just too close to the mountains to live imo. Too much snow, excessive storms, risks of flooding etc. Plus the mountain cold when storms do hit anytime of the year.

New Zealand sure looks beautiful. I can't put my finger on it entirely but I think it would be odd living in the Southern Hemisphere. That said I've never been south of the Equator so nothing to base it on. Geographically New Zealand is a fascinating place as it straddles different climates along its length. Gets too complex for here but due to rotation of earth, axis and stuff Antarctica of course is much larger and colder than the Arctic and even at the southernmost latitude of NZ it impacts the climate there. Even though thats 45degrees south latitude. Whereas 45N wouldn't be that cold. I'm sure somebody could explain it better.

Trouble with NZ of course is that so much of the habitable and more arable areas are very low sea level and very impacted by any sea level change.

NZ unfortunately is in a lot of peril and pretty much a disaster where their cities are located.

 
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If your furnace breaks down it would take several days to a week for the temps to drop enough to freeze your pipes. Unless your place is really poorly insulated. The simplest thing when furnace breaks down is to just turn water off at the main if worried about that and bleed the lines=no breaking pipes ever.

People freak out when furnace breaks down. They think magically their place is going to be a frost factory in hours. lol. We had our furnace break down several times in winter. Took me 8hrs to get the right parts one time. The whole time it had only sunk 5C inside and was still at 15C when I fixed furnace. Total time was about 12hours between furnace breaking down(could have been more because it stopped at night)

People should have some space heaters anyway. Its a winter climate.

People that drive in their car in a winter climate without emergency provisions, blanket warm clothing truly amaze me.

But one could make an equivalent of driving through a desert without even carrying a bottle or gallons of water. Stupid people manage to kill themselves everywhere.
Being in the insurance industry, I see it from time to time. The reason the pipes freeze, is that people go on holidays and the furnace craps out. They don't have anyone checking their place, and when they return after weeks/months, there is a bit of a mess to say the least. So my insurance broker advice to all of you, is when you're away for an extended period, have someone check your place once in a while (maybe every week or so) just to make sure they don't see their breath when they walk in your door.
And yes, a lot of the older homes simply don't have the insulation merits of the newer homes and are much more susceptible to going into the deep freeze a lot quicker.
 
Being in the insurance industry, I see it from time to time. The reason the pipes freeze, is that people go on holidays and the furnace craps out. They don't have anyone checking their place, and when they return after weeks/months, there is a bit of a mess to say the least. So my insurance broker advice to all of you, is when you're away for an extended period, have someone check your place once in a while (maybe every week or so) just to make sure they don't see their breath when they walk in your door.
And yes, a lot of the older homes simply don't have the insulation merits of the newer homes and are much more susceptible to going into the deep freeze a lot quicker.
Always do this with the neighbors. We check houses for each other, and we do it every two days. On my actual policy there was a disclaimer that houses should be checked minimum of every 48-72hrs. Not sure how universal that expectation is.

But at the very least people should turn off water at the main and bleed the line which is really easy, and also ensure that their water main is in good working condition. We had ours replaced a couple of years ago. When main valves start to go that is a big huge problem and you have to get the city to shutoff the outside main located usually just underground. We had ours done the moment we saw a dribble. Those can get worse in a hurry. When your water main goes theres nothing you can shutoff and a water main valve failure will basically wreck your basement. flood will be immense in short period of time...water pressure at main is considerable.
 
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I can't stand desert conditions. Or the organisms that live there. Or the lack of water and arable land.

Only thing I wish with Edmonton is it was closer to mountains but then you get all the weather and hardships of being too close to mountain weather. Edson might be around the perfect location, but its Edson, lol. Canmore and Hinton just too close to the mountains to live imo. Too much snow, excessive storms, risks of flooding etc. Plus the mountain cold when storms do hit anytime of the year.

New Zealand sure looks beautiful. I can't put my finger on it entirely but I think it would be odd living in the Southern Hemisphere. That said I've never been south of the Equator so nothing to base it on. Geographically New Zealand is a fascinating place as it straddles different climates along its length. Gets too complex for here but due to rotation of earth, axis and stuff Antarctica of course is much larger and colder than the Arctic and even at the southernmost latitude of NZ it impacts the climate there. Even though thats 45degrees south latitude. Whereas 45N wouldn't be that cold. I'm sure somebody could explain it better.

Trouble with NZ of course is that so much of the habitable and more arable areas are very low sea level and very impacted by any sea level change.

NZ unfortunately is in a lot of peril and pretty much a disaster where their cities are located.


I know what you mean wrt to deserts and I agree to an extent, for me it’s more to do with precipitation than the environs / landscape etc (though I do have a soft spot for our own badlands which have some similarities). I feel like I read somewhere that Edmonton is like a “desert” region for precipitation but that may have been out of context. Certainly less rain than a lot of other places, though.

Edmonton could stand to be about an hour closer to Jasper and area and that would be perfect. I live on the western edge of the city so I’m as close as that gets haha. For Calgary and area I wouldn’t mind Cochrane or Okotoks (technically this one is a bit further but I like the small town feel of it) if I ever felt compelled to live down there (I haven’t). Too much flooding risk, wind etc around there though, I agree

New Zealand would likely be more of a place I’d like to visit than live for those reasons mentioned but it feels like it would be a nice alternative if feeling compelled to relocate. Feels like the people there are sort of similar in mindset to Canadians too (along with the pretensions)
 
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Enjoy the beautiful weather this weekend, winter looks to be taking another shot at us next week.
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