Prospect Info: [2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 2

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I thought he did a lot of good things last night and was let down by his two linemates several times.

Pitlick and Armia couldn't complete or receive a pass to save their lives last night (though few people on the team could last night, Slaf being one of few who did).

He does seem a bit passive though, seems like he's trying extra hard to defer and let the game come to him. I did catch a glimpse of him wanting the puck and being aggressive late in the 3rd on the PP.

This is a big adjustment and we all knew this, but there's no point trying to be rational here.

I can't imagine what this board is going to look like in November with this team if this is the reaction after 2 preseason games.

I think it’s because he is adjusting to the pace and how to play on smaller ice. He’s usually the kind of player who likes to carry the puck and challenge defenders while causing chaos in the offensive zone. I don’t really understand why Pitlick was the player who was carrying the puck yesterday when it’s one of Slaf’s best trait.
 
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It got sidetracked quite a bit but my main point about Slaf was he doesn't play anything like his pre-draft hype men were saying he does, which somehow turned into people assuming, through poor reading comprehension, that I was expecting Jagr or that he is already a bust. .

He doesn't use his body to protect the puck, but he attacks the puck carrier and hounds after the puck quite a bit. He's certainly shown some unique things, but I think it would be best to give him a game or two and send him to the AHL to work on adjusting the offensive side of his game to North American ice. Even if it's only for a month, it will make a noticeable difference.

He doesn't look ready doesn't mean he's not going to be ready in December or February or next season.
 
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That recency bias is bullshit. You know how it can be called? Evolution. Or Progression. A 17 year old kid starts playing in a men's league. So he struggles at first...he's 17 year old. Then...he learns the speed of the game....and then in March he's 18 year old. And from the reports, he looked better as the year progressed. And in the playoffs. So recency bias? Or progression, evolution or adaptation? Tournaments? Yep. Not a fan either to SOLELY based a decision on this. But from the reports, it wasn't all about that either.

How many playoffs games from Wright have you seen? Truly. If it's possible. I've watched at least 3/4 of them. Not joking. And I can tell you that he OFTEN did not look REMOTELY close to a 1st overall pick either. He was being pushed around and beaten in puck pursuit by guys that will never make the NHL.

Yet again, I also did not have Slaf as my 1st overall. But not being worthy of 1st overall? Pure BS.

One last thing about recency....

Slaf dominated his age group everytime except when he joined the Liiga. Also, we are not talking about Kotkaniemi recency bias. Started at 20 at the start of the draft year to finish 3. Slaf was always a top 5 pick from the start.

By the way, the best prospect when all is said and done might very well be Marco Kaspar. Yet, NOBODY would have said that he deserved to be the NO1 pick. Which in the end, if Kaspar ends up being the best...3 to 5 years from now, it wouldn't have matter if he would not have deserved it....

I've watched Savoie in Buffalo. He often looked worst than guys that were invitations.

I've watched lots of Wright. His season point production was underwhelming, but I was able to appreciate the way he was playing and his read of the game. To me, game sense has always been the most valuable and important trait. It's the same reason Owen Beck is so good so far.

Just worried Slaf turns into the next Yakupov due to his lack of game sense. Many people might disagree, but I don't think you teach game sense.

To me, if I were to describe him, I'd say he's a desktop tower with a state of the art GPU but a lackluster CPU which cannot keep up. Same reason I was low on Quinton Byfield.

I already knew habs fans are insane but this is next level.

So many fans want him to fail and it's hilarious and sad at the same time.

I see a lot of worried and disappointed fans, but I have not really noticed any that want him to fail. Where do you see those people?
 
Saying that Slaf will be bad after 2 pre-season games is obviously wrong; and saying that 2 pre-season games are absolutely meaningless is also wrong.

I've watched Slaf closely in the Development camp, in Rookie tourney and intra-squad games, so it's more than 2 pre-season games. And honestly, I'm a bit worried. He hasn't been bad at all, but he certainly hasn't stood out. He hasn't looked any better than Mesar or Beck. Heineman (older) looks definitely better than Slaf.
Veterans like Armia, Drouin or Hoffman can take the camp lightly and don't give best effort, but certainly not the rookies; usually rookies should give their best shot in pre-season to impress the Management. Based on that thought, I'm bit disappointed that it's the best shot that Slaf could do at time being.

Few years ago, I've also watched Kotkaniemi in development camp and pre-season. And I did raise the flag; I was concerned. Same thing happened when I saw Galchenyuk in his first games in NHL. I saw Galchenyuk lacking the IQ, about the same feeling that I have now towards Slaf. Galchenyuk didn't take the best decision with puck, so is Slaf now. I even dare to say that Galchenyuk has shown more promising flashes than Slaf now. In KK, I found that his reaction is slow, same thing with Slaf now. In my book, the smartness, the offensive awareness is the most important attribute. I fail to see this in Slaf. Suzuki wasn't so good in his debut neither, but we can see that Suzuki is smart.


On the scale from 0 to 10, where 0 means no worry at all and things will be fine, and 10 means extremely concerned and prospect will certainly fail, I am now at 6.

After seeing him in Development camp, rookie tourney and intra-squad games, I definitely think that Slaf should start in AHL.
 
I already knew habs fans are insane but this is next level.

So many fans want him to fail and it's hilarious and sad at the same time.
You're right, this is next level insane right now.
Geez, the kid is 18y.o. and almost everyone, a couple weeks ago we're fine with him starting in the AHL . 2 pre-season games in and the HFBoards crowd is already out for blood. Sorry for my English; but is putridity a word? ´Cause that's what this board reads like since 7.00 pm last night.
Geez people, Carey says chill out
 
I think it’s because he is adjusting to the pace and how to play on smaller ice. He’s usually the kind of player who likes to carry the puck and challenge defenders while causing chaos in the offensive zone. I don’t really understand why Pitlick was the player who was carrying the puck yesterday when it’s one of Slaf’s best trait.
I was thinking yesterday that MSL probably wanted him to work on his "off the puck" positioning since its needs a lots of work, while it was the opposite for Pitlick since he doesn't carry the puck much.

MSL keep saying that you get better by doing repetitions under real game condition and pre-season is a better place to do that than the real season.
 
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He’s definitely going to get better don’t get me wrong, but I only see a max 50 points ish player. He’s not a game breaker.
 
Good post.

But it's a sad state of affairs that you have to make a post like this given where we are as fans of this organization.

I mean, needing to implore fans to be patient with an 18 year old is completely wild to me.

This isn't normal behavior lol.
I always take the defense of this board. I always say that it's often the same on other boards. But this Slaf insanity right now should be put on the main board for every other fanbase to laugh at the ones making so man stupid comments.

And watch.....Brad Lambert might have a good game tonight. Watch how it turns out to be about Slaf right away.
 
Saying that Slaf will be bad after 2 pre-season games is obviously wrong; and saying that 2 pre-season games are absolutely meaningless is also wrong.
2 preseason games, good or bad, are completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, 100%
I've watched Slaf closely in the Development camp, in Rookie tourney and intra-squad games, so it's more than 2 pre-season games. And honestly, I'm a bit worried. He hasn't been bad at all, but he certainly hasn't stood out. He hasn't looked any better than Mesar or Beck. Heineman (older) looks definitely better than Slaf.
Veterans like Armia, Drouin or Hoffman can take the camp lightly and don't give best effort, but certainly not the rookies; usually rookies should give their best shot in pre-season to impress the Management.
Based on that thought, I'm bit disappointed that it's the best shot that Slaf could do at time being.
I think because of all of the offseason talk surrounding picking this player, whether for or against, it's set up a level of expectation that's unfair.

Ultimately, the legitimacy of picking him 1st will never be confirmed on such a small sample. So why do some people, not saying you specifically here, continue to make career outlooks based on such small and irrelevant samples.

Does anyone seriously think the the Montreal Canadiens organization, specifically the coaching staff, is going to evaluate Slafkovsky's chances of making this team based exclusively on how he looks at preaseason?

I get we as fans can't think further than the next shift...but the coaching staff have a much, much broader view.
Few years ago, I've also watched Kotkaniemi in development camp and pre-season. And I did raise the flag; I was concerned. Same thing happened when I saw Galchenyuk in his first games in NHL. I saw Galchenyuk lacking the IQ, about the same feeling that I have now towards Slaf. Galchenyuk didn't take the best decision with puck, so is Slaf now. I even dare to say that Galchenyuk has shown more promising flashes than Slaf now. In KK, I found that his reaction is slow, same thing with Slaf now. In my book, the smartness, the offensive awareness is the most important attribute. I fail to see this in Slaf. Suzuki wasn't so good in his debut neither, but we can see that Suzuki is smart.
A few years ago, Nick Suzuki looked small, timid and weak as a 19 year old at training camp.

Fast forward 2 years later, and he was our #1C and best player in the bubble playoffs.

Lesson to learn: comparing player's performance at training camp is pointless and trying to extrapolate performances on such a small and irrelevant sample is also pointless.

Allow HIM to develop at HIS own speed and on HIS timelines...not yours, or mine or anyone else's.

Jealousy, envy, resentment, etc...name whatever adjective some Habs fans feel like they need to have towards Slafkovsky, are NOT related to HIS development.

Those feelings belong to you (us).
On the scale from 0 to 10, where 0 means no worry at all and things will be fine, and 10 means extremely concerned and prospect will certainly fail, I am now at 6.

After seeing him in Development camp, rookie tourney and intra-squad games, I definitely think that Slaf should start in AHL.
It's odd to me that anyone could come up with a score based on such a small sample.

But either way, where and how he finishes this year, will be more important and telling then where he starts.
 
Feel like i am the only who is genuinely excited by Slaf.

Its true that he hasnt shown much offensively but this will come. Its actually the part that worries me the less.

As for the other parts of the game, i believe he is obviously NHL ready. He has the speed, the strenght, the positioning and the understanding of the game. The kid clearly knows how to play hockey.

He orchestrated numerous zone exits, had some takeaways and ditched some sincere pass, especially to Armia. He will figure out how to let go his wrister or dangle a few D.

Id be happy if he stayed the whole season with Montreal and i would not have any problem even if he ends up the season with 10 goals and 20ish points. Its pretty normal for a non-generational 18YO and all the tools (and toolbox) are there for a magnificient power player.

Id rather that he played like he did instead of having some wowing offensive flashes but being lost in the other aspect of the game. Fans would totally adore him tho under those circumstances.
I don’t remember anyone else making a single good pass last night other than him. There was also literally no PP scoring chances until he decided to skate in and wire two shots in the 3rd.
 
He's young... he tried some passes in the slot that could probably end up as scoring chances at lesser levels or on international ice. He probably will need a shoot first center to play with him if he stays this year. Dvorak could be a good option.
 
2 preseason games, good or bad, are completely meaningless in the grand scheme of things.

Yes, 100%

A few years ago, Nick Suzuki looked small, timid and weak as a 19 year old at training camp.

Fast forward 2 years later, and he was our #1C and best player in the bubble playoffs.

Lesson to learn: comparing player's performance at training camp is pointless and trying to extrapolate performances on such a small and irrelevant sample is also pointless.

Allow HIM to develop at HIS own speed and on HIS timelines...not yours, or mine or anyone else's.
I am 100% with you.

Whoever we drafted 1st overall (Slaf, Wright, Cooler, Nemec, etc) we would have the EXACT same discussion.

Pre season is useless to make a proper assement on how a player will be 3 or 4 years from now.

Even a guy like Owen Beck who has largely impressed could potentially struggle to make the NHL while a player that has a hard time now could become the best NHLer in the long run.

Slafkovsky has huge raw qualities but we overlook them because he was 1st overall and we expect the next franchise player out of the gate and some expected (or wished) he would be dominant out of the gate.

I am actually, believe it or not, re-assured that he has not fully dominated in pre season and created irational expectation on the media/fanbase.

Montreal is a circus and you are the next superstar when you have a good game and the worst player when you have a bad one.

Let him play out of that circus and develop in the AHL. He will still have spotlight on him but at least he will play at a level that can allow him to try things.
 
I'm not opposed to the AHL if he looks like he should be there after 5ish regular season games.

But I also want us all to remember that the purpose of this year for the NHL team is development of young guys. HUGO + MSL have already said that. So him learning at the NHL level would be bad either I'd he doesn't look completely out of place.
 
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Too early to tell yet ... let Slafkovsky play some more games first to see what is what.

Although, I think Wright would have been a better 1st choice, not necessarily that he is/will be a better player, but that he would be at least be a good player and most likely a better team leader. The Habs need that with so many young guys.
 
I'm not too worried...

Slaf will be a beast in due time.

I talk and joke a lot as many of you have noticed, and have been giving Slaf a hard time.

But ultimately he has all the tools, he just needs more seasoning, experience (NA rink, NHL speed, etc, etc) and from that confidence will grow and grow.

We have seen what he can do when he is comfortable and ON his game in various tournaments.
 
I am 100% with you.

Whoever we drafted 1st overall (Slaf, Wright, Cooler, Nemec, etc) we would have the EXACT same discussion.

Pre season is useless to make a proper assement on how a player will be 3 or 4 years from now.

Even a guy like Owen Beck who has largely impressed could potentially struggle to make the NHL while a player that has a hard time now could become the best NHLer in the long run.

Slafkovsky has huge raw qualities but we overlook them because he was 1st overall and we expect the next franchise player out of the gate and some expected (or wished) he would be dominant out of the gate.

I am actually, believe it or not, re-assured that he has not fully dominated in pre season and created irational expectation on the media/fanbase.

Montreal is a circus and you are the next superstar when you have a good game and the worst player when you have a bad one.

Let him play out of that circus and develop in the AHL. He will still have spotlight on him but at least he will play at a level that can allow him to try things.
Whey you ignore all of the noise...nothing i've seen so far gives me cause for concern.

I still see a player that the coaching staff has a huge canvas to work with, to get him to the player he can become.
 
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Saying that Slaf will be bad after 2 pre-season games is obviously wrong; and saying that 2 pre-season games are absolutely meaningless is also wrong.

Please explain to us all why 2 pre-season games aren't absolutely meaningless. I for one would love to know why this is "wrong."
 
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