Prospect Info: [2022 - 1st OA] Juraj Slafkovsky (LW) Part 2

[Mrb1p]

He showed plenty of good things but it looks like you choose to ignore them for some reason.

I agree he showed good things.

Not for a first overall.

Ok? I'm not sure why you think your opinion is the arbiter of if a player is disappointing or not. Especially considering he hasn't played meaningful hockey post draft.

And yours is? Whos is? No one? Lmao

This may come as a surprise but Juraj Slafkovsky has yet to even have a practice with the Montreal Canadiens, never mind play a game.

He showed little?

He hasn't even had the opportunity to show anything lol

Complete madness...

It's ironic that those who are loudest about development, also decide a player is done developing before they've even had a chance at training camp.


Nab bro...the games against the not-even rookies of the Buffalo Sabres and Ottawa Senators was the litmus test.

Slafkovsky had his chance, he failed.

Case closed

Thats a lot of assumption you just made, your skin is turniny orange and your hair blond.

 

[ReHabs]

Slafkovsky had his chance, he failed.

Case closed

To be fair, I don’t think that user is saying that. You should respond to their actual argument: that he wasn’t wowed.

 

[Mrb1p]

Yikes the echo chamber is insane here. I wish people wouldve defended the last hart trophy winner like they do the Hugo cup winner.

 

[ReHabs]

Yikes the echo chamber is insane here. I wish people wouldve defended the last hart trophy winner like they do the Hugo cup winner.

You’ve seen tape of his tournaments and weren’t wowed?

 

[Captain Mountain]

And yours is? Whos is? No one? Lmao

I'm not the one making definitive statements or touting my judgement as the arbiter of showing something or not, you are.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Buddy the list is up there, you can look at it. First overall that showed very little are not the norm. Even Yakupov looked dominant at times early on.


Hes a first overall pick, best of the crop of a 12 month gene pool. Its lame excuses all over.

The expectations should be higher than "Having things that are hard to get".

I'd say it's actually lame expectations than excuses.

They identified him as the best player down the line. Who gives a f*** who is better now. This is the same thinking that had idiots pounding their chests about Perron over Pacioretty.

 

[Paddy17]

They're projecting him to be the best player in 3 years, not after 2 rookie games, after TC, or after this year. What he HAS shown, is that his potential is huge. His development to fulfill that potential is going to be what's important in the upcoming months and years.

 

[Habs]

He's played 2 rookie games.

We are the best of fans, we are the worst of fans.

Anyone talking in definites right now is the reason why these threads devolve into nonsense.

you have to admit its funny watching the people on full hype mode for Beck, Mesar etc because they have had a really good rookie tournament. So by the same measuring stick, one would have expected Slav to standout , but he's getting hype for no other reason than being the first pick. He has not been the best player out there at all, rather invisible if we are being honest about it. I understand why people are a bit freaked out, people expected him to be really good when he played in this tourny.

If you had no idea of a players draft position, would you honestly be hyped about Slav after his two games, compared to the other kids drafted behind him? I mean a few dangles here and there .. but.. come on, he did not do anything like Beck and Mesar out there. Why is that do you think? Honest question, was he told to 'sit back'? I hope he doesn't spend any more time with this coach if that's a preview of their relationship.

I'm just saying if people can freak out over the other prospects who have been really good, they can certainly knock Slav for being a passenger in the prospect series. I know, 2 games, and all that stuff but man we all have PTSD from failed first round picks lol

 

[417]

Thats a lot of assumption you just made, your skin is turniny orange and your hair blond.

There's no assumption and my skin color doesn't change color my guy and my hair is kinky, so no not turning blond.

But I'm not assuming anything, just responding to your posts.

You're evaluating a player who just essentially played 40 mins of shinny.

This would be like evaluating an NHL player based on how he looks playing pick up hockey at your local rink.

I liked it better when the Habs didn't participate in these pointless tournaments...fans are so starved for hockey, they legit think these guys are playing for the Stanley Cup.

Get a grip man...there will be plenty of time to panic when real camp starts.

 

[willzyix]

This thread is crazy lmao. I didn't even want Slaf at #1 and thought he looked fine. He's implicated offensively and creating chances. That's all I care about for an 18 year old.

 

[417]

Ive watched over a week worth of film at this point

Like a WHOLE week?

Damn that's like...a week.

 

[WeThreeKings]

This thread is crazy lmao. I didn't even want Slaf at #1 and thought he looked fine. He's implicated offensively and creating chances. That's all I care about for an 18 year old.

No, he was supposed to crawl into mrb1p's frontal lobe and play exactly like his expectations of what all 1st overalls should do, regardless of the talent or readiness of that pool.

Slaf has been seen absolutely decimated mentally but luckily he has accepted a call from Josh Brook and is now going to display the same qualities that had mrb1p touting him as the #1 prospect in the Habs pool.

 

[417]

The Lowering Standards and Managing Expectations train has arrived very early this time.

Not sure why because nothing has changed since the draft.

A rookie camp is irrelevant… but training camp should reveal if he is capable of keeping up with (not particularly good) NHLers. A 1OA should belong at least until the last cuts… but we will know more in a few weeks.

I suspect his biggest fans are being unfair to him actually: he’s the 1OA, he was very noticeable at the WC and Olys, he is just adapting to the new ice… it don’t think we need to keep deflating his tires at this time. There’s nothing wrong with expecting him to look good.

Isn't it kind revealing that every single player who has a chance to make the Montreak Canadiens and play games this year, by all accounts, didn't look “great”?

And those who have virtually no chance, so look good because they needed to leave an impression?

It's almost like the guys who have a shot at making the Habs care more about being ready for main camp, then they do the rookie tournament.

Wild stuff

 

[Paddyjack]

A lot of people here seems to think we drafted a legendary type of player just because he is 1OA. This was a freaking weak year for a draft, unlucky for us. He is not the Mathews-Crosby-McDavid type of player that will carry a game on his back, but he is fast, he is huge and has showed some great flashes of many things. Question, would you trade him today for Lafreniere? If the answer is no, then just shut up about him guys, and wait to see what happens.

 

[WeThreeKings]

A lot of people here seems to think we drafted a legendary type of player just because he is 1OA. This was a freaking weak year for a draft, unlucky for us. He is not the Mathews-Crosby-McDavid type of player that will carry a game on his back, but he is fast, he is huge and has showed some great flashes of many things. Question, would you trade him today for Lafreniere? If the answer is no, then just shut up about him guys, and to see whta happens.

Anyone who watched the rookie camp games with an objective eye could see the potential and see, quite easily, the dimensions and things he can add to a contending NHL team.

Do we have an idea yet of how good he will be offensively? No, I don't think we do. But what he will be able to do for a skilled line that's lacking the elements he brings? It's gonna be pretty awesome. It's just gonna take some time.

 

[ReHabs]

Isn't it kind revealing that every single player who has a chance to make the Montreak Canadiens and play games this year, by all accounts, didn't look “great”?

And those who have virtually no chance, so look good because they needed to leave an impression?

It's almost like the guys who have a shot at making the Habs care more about being ready for main camp, then they do the rookie tournament.

Wild stuff

I, personally, agree. But I think it’s worth hearing other opinions and impressions if they’re well argued and reasoned.

My take is Rookie Camp is meaningless and Training Camp is very important for a physically mature 1OA who has pro experience and played in senior international tournaments.

If Slaf doesn’t look good in TC then… then we can all yell at me and demand I lower my expectations even more

Question, would you trade him today for Lafreniere? If the answer is no, then just shut up about him guys, and wait to see what happens.

What if the answer is yes?

 

[Milhouse40]

Kovalchuk was ~240 lbs in his prime. Jagr was up around 230. Byfuglien was like 240-250 during the season and he was still a borderline elite D for a few years. There have been heavy skilled players. It just isn’t all that common.

I'm not saying the opposite either....as mentioned, it might be his biggest upside.
But all those names, Kovalchuk, Jagr, Lindros, Overchkin....they always were elite generational talent.....and most of them playing in a league tat was less about speed than it is today too.

And also, if he stays there it's one thing, but at his age, he should gain even more weight in the next 3-4 years.

 

[417]

Ty

Anyone who watched the rookie camp games with an objective eye could see the potential and see, quite easily, the dimensions and things he can add to a contending NHL team.

Do we have an idea yet of how good he will be offensively? No, I don't think we do. But what he will be able to do for a skilled line that's lacking the elements he brings? It's gonna be pretty awesome. It's just gonna take some time.

i can't think of any 2 current Habs players who could use a left handed, fast skating, puck winning F1 with great puck retrieving skills and who's got touch and brute strength to take on Dmen singlehandedly while creating space for others.

Nope...not here

 

[Garbageyuk]

I'm not saying the opposite either....as mentioned, it might be his biggest upside.
But all those names, Kovalchuk, Jagr, Lindros, Overchkin....they always were elite generational talent.....and most of them playing in a league tat was less about speed than it is today too.

And also, if he stays there it's one thing, but at his age, he should gain even more weight in the next 3-4 years.

Yeah, at the age he’s at it could be a bit of a concern. Unusual to say the least. We’ll know a lot more after seeing him in action once the season starts.

 

[Hannibal]

Anyone who watched the rookie camp games with an objective eye could see the potential and see, quite easily, the dimensions and things he can add to a contending NHL team.

Do we have an idea yet of how good he will be offensively? No, I don't think we do. But what he will be able to do for a skilled line that's lacking the elements he brings? It's gonna be pretty awesome. It's just gonna take some time.

QFT.

As Hughes said. They didn’t draft a player to be the best at 18-19. They did pick him for what he can become at 22-24. For once we didn’t pick for need.

He’s gonna be awesome. The package he will bring will make every other team in the NHL salivating.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Ty

i can't think of any 2 current Habs players who could use a left handed, fast skating, puck winning F1 with great puck retrieving skills and who's got touch and brute strength to take on Dmen singlehandedly while creating space for others.

Nope...not here

Habs fans: "I'm tired of being full of skilled smurfs!!"

*Habs draft skilled beef*

Habs fans: "He's not as good as Matthews in year 1 and isn't completely grown into his body yet at 18. He sucks we should have taken a no compete average sized center who might not start in the NHL either!!!!"

 

[417]

I, personally, agree. But I think it’s worth hearing other opinions and impressions if they’re well argued and reasoned.

I don't think it's a reasonable position to make far reaching conclusions about any player at a prospect tournament.

I'm sorry...theres a time to put on a “scout hat” and break out the pad and paper an evaluate.

These 3 games weren't it.

My take is Rookie Camp is meaningless and Training Camp is very important for a physically mature 1OA who has pro experience and played in senior international tournaments.

Main camp is where it's at for Slafkovsky...personally if I was the Habs I wouldn't have brought him there or even participated in this tournament.

Habs fans: "I'm tired of being full of skilled smurfs!!"

*Habs draft skilled beef*

Habs fans: "He's not as good as Matthews in year 1 and isn't completely grown into his body yet at 18. He sucks we should have taken a no compete average sized center who might not start in the NHL either!!!!"

I keep saying it man...we don't deserve shit lol

 

[morhilane]

I've got a feeling his training camp performance is gonna “wow” everyone and then it's gonna be the yelling to see him make the team and start on the 1st line...

If he haven't "wowed" them at the rookie tournament, he's not going to "wow" them at camp or pre-season games either.

That's Slaf: skilled yet raw, physically dominating and some questionable decision-making at times.

He's going to get more polished over time and make less weird decisions, but the style isn't going to change much.

 

[Milhouse40]

Anyone who watched the rookie camp games with an objective eye could see the potential and see, quite easily, the dimensions and things he can add to a contending NHL team.

Do we have an idea yet of how good he will be offensively? No, I don't think we do. But what he will be able to do for a skilled line that's lacking the elements he brings? It's gonna be pretty awesome. It's just gonna take some time.

Honestly, this tourney should not be an indication of anything when it comes to players like Slafkovsky, Guhle, Harris or Barron.

Most of the top prospect going after an NHL job didn't even wanted to be there. They just wanted to make sure to not get some injuries and miss the real camp, that's where these players will make their case to stay in the NHL.

 

[417]

If he haven't "wowed" them at the rookie tournament, he's not going to "wow" them at camp or pre-season games either.

Come on man lol is this your first rookie tournament?

Just watch man...seen this play out too many times, just watch his erratic the takes are, stay tuned and remember these rookie game reactions.

That's Slaf: skilled yet raw, physically dominating and some questionable decision-making at times.

He's going to get more polished over time and make less weird decisions, but the style isn't going to change much.

Alot of things will change