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My current guess is that they’re going to trade something to Seattle to get them to take JVR. Maybe Patrick will do it.
This team was boring under Hextall too, before Fletcher's fingerprints ever existed on the team. I wonder what the common theme is. How long can we (pretend) to ignore the elephant in the room?
The common theme is horrible coaching. Who hired AV?
Holmgren.
True. It’s impossible to have two bad coaches back-to-back. On top of an incomplete roster while rebuilding. Hakstol and AV have been great.When it is always the coach’s fault, it probably isn’t the coach’s fault
Yeah, Holmgren had a real penchant for boring teams. I hated making the playoffs
The team is boring and mediocre because of Fletcher. He’s not going to be the one who changes that.
True. It’s impossible to have two bad coaches back-to-back. On top of an incomplete roster while rebuilding. Hakstol and AV have been great.
Probably the best players who are at fault, right?
Homer was a lot of negative things, but I wouldn't say "boring" was one while he was GM.Holmgren.
Homer was a lot of negative things, but I wouldn't say "boring" was one while he was GM.
Homer was a lot of negative things, but I wouldn't say "boring" was one while he was GM.
All three were bad. That’s a fact.Well, three coaches in a row. All of whom were/are allegedly the worst thing to ever happen to the team. “This coach is the worst one yet!”
Perhaps our issue is that our “best players” are the “best” on a bad team, which is why we are, well, bad.
Probably just one more coaching change from finally turning a corner with those best players, right?
That would be absolutely idiotic, par for the course of Fletcher getting bent over by another expansion team.My current guess is that they’re going to trade something to Seattle to get them to take JVR. Maybe Patrick will do it.
Yet another fact is that the top players on this team are not, and never have been, the problem. Blaming them is the laziest thing that fans do. Expecting them to carry an entire roster by themselves, with zero help, trash goaltending, and idiot coaches, is misunderstanding how hockey works.
They need the cap space since the cap is expected to stay flat. No team can afford to take on a $7M cap hit except Seattle. Seattle isn’t going to absorb it without an incentive. Patrick wants out & has been a huge bust. If trading Patrick gets them $7M in cap space it’s worth it.That would be absolutely idiotic, par for the course of Fletcher getting bent over by another expansion team.
Hextall gets full blame for Hakstol, yep.In part, yes. A lot is on Hextall too.
Homer was the last exciting GM we had until he had nothing left to trade away lol.
I'm still giving Fletch the summer to see what he can come up with.
They need the cap space since the cap is expected to stay flat. No team can afford to take on a $7M cap hit except Seattle. Seattle isn’t going to absorb it without an incentive. Patrick wants out & has been a huge bust. If trading Patrick gets them $7M in cap space it’s worth it.
Our young forwards are nothing special.
Waiting on them without even trying to procure truly elite talent would be a fatal mistake.
So then stop squawking about Ghost being on the 3rd pair and buried when he is 3rd in TOI/game and his most common partner was Provy.Braun must be our 2nd best defensemen because he was on the top pair.
All three were bad. That’s a fact.
For the first two, the team had zero depth and were rebuilding. That’s also a fact.
Yet another fact is that the top players on this team are not, and never have been, the problem. Blaming them is the laziest thing that fans do. Expecting them to carry an entire roster by themselves, with zero help, trash goaltending, and idiot coaches, is misunderstanding how hockey works.
I think you are greatly overestimating JVR’s value to the team going forward & how movable he is in a flat cap environment.JVR isn't some dead contract you're trying to dump.
While he's a tougher trade in the flat cap era, he's worth keeping.
And he's certainly not worth paying to dump.
The Flyers will expose JVR, Voracek and Ghost, and force Seattle to take a contract without payment, or to take NAK, Braun or Hagg.
Then if Fletcher wants to make a move, he'll make a veteran for veteran trade (with money and assets evening out the deal).
Other people being hyperbolic and calling each one the worst coach ever has nothing to do with me. It doesn’t invalidate the fact that each was bad and hurt the team.I'm not just talking about being bad. I am talking about how they were all at their time to be inconceivably, insurmountably terrible, until suddenly the next guy is actually totally worse. People have been crying wolf for almost a decade now. Especially funny considering Berube has gone on to win a Cup. Routinely blaming coaching as the end-all issue is the laziest thing fans do.
The "best" players (i.e, the core of the team) are absolutely the problem. When your best goalie sucked, when your best 2C under-performed, when one of your best top 6 wingers has gone invisible, when your best four defenseman have not shown that they can be built around, that is the problem. The difference between this team being good or not is not Robert f***ing Hagg getting 6D minutes or not. The difference isn't Nate Thompson playing a couple games down the stretch. But trying to blame the players who aren't the "best" is a convenient deflection from any serious reflection on the team's makeup.
This season was such a failure that I wanted to see the coaching staff get cleared out. But larger issues still loom. And it isn't Fletcher's fault he inherited the mess he did.