2021 NHL Draft Thread

[Raistlin]

It's times like these that I'm reminded we lost a NCAA guru in a power struggle with a GM that's about to be canned.

 

[Nuckler]

Would this be the year to trade a top 10 pick in a package for a good young RHD man in the 21-24 range? Based on the quality of players that might be available

 

[Fatass]

Would this be the year to trade a top 10 pick in a package for a good young RHD man in the 21-24 range? Based on the quality of players that might be available

Would have to be one hell of a good (and young) right shot d to move our coming first. That first is going to almost certainly be top five, and this draft has some excellent d in that top group - including Quinn’s brother Luke.

 

[bossram]

hopefully it won't be Jimbo at this time. Please.

any info on Kent Johnson?

Kent Johnson Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

currently teamates of Powers and Beniers. Ranked in the top 10, and is from Port Moody. He's a centre and its a position we might want to consider since in 2 years time today, Bo Horvat is a UFA and lets consider the worst Horvat Jets as a UFA. Wouldn't mind drafting a B.C boy.

I'm a fan of Kent Johnson. Really crafty playmaker. He, Beniers, Hughes, and Clarke are the guys at the top of the draft I'm most interested in.

 

[y2kcanucks]

It is easy to compare them as they play on the same line
They really play loose and do creative things together.

But we are now going on week 3 of games being cancelled at michigan. they were cancelled this week again.

Owen power was on fire in the new year, and playing really well, so were all the freshman.
Hurts to have 4 missed games, and they may cancel more unless they can get this outbreak in their athletic department settled.

They arent even practicing.

Jeez. You know, it may not be such a bad idea to move the draft to 2022. Host 2 drafts next year and give scouts the chance to better evaluate these players.

 

[Breakers]

One guy who is going to be interesting to see how he is judged in scouting circles around the league is Corson Ceulemans
D-man out of the AJHL
He restarts here in about 2 weeks, as that's when the league opens back up for Alberta.
Wisconsin hockey has been hyping him as he is attending there next year.
College Hockey Inc, and SBN college hockey think this guy is going to shoot up draft boards into the top 10 similar to Makar, they really think he is underrated.
I mean Makar had a "B" rating from the NHL central scouting pre-season which is the largest scouting service, and finished as the highest rated D-man in North America.

NHL central scouting still underrates AJHL.

 

[VanJack]

Jeez. You know, it may not be such a bad idea to move the draft to 2022. Host 2 drafts next year and give scouts the chance to better evaluate these players.

It's a logical idea, but won't happen. It would mean too many players coming out of their ELC's a few years down the road. I actually find the thought of the 2021 draft kind of exciting.

What it'll mean is that the NHL teams that cheapened out on their scouting staffs and scouting resources, will be a serious disadvantage. The teams that focused resources on scouting both in N.A. and Europe, will be have a major leg up. I have no idea where the Canucks stand on this continuum.

But there's bound to be a number of great young players who drop in this draft only through a lack of exposure. And some team that's done their homework will scoop them up. I could see a few of the better-run NHL teams mining as many as four or five great prospects out of this draft if they've got the right book on them.

 

[StreetHawk]

One guy who is going to be interesting to see how he is judged in scouting circles around the league is Corson Ceulemans
D-man out of the AJHL
He restarts here in about 2 weeks, as that's when the league opens back up for Alberta.
Wisconsin hockey has been hyping him as he is attending there next year.
College Hockey Inc, and SBN college hockey think this guy is going to shoot up draft boards into the top 10 similar to Makar, they really think he is underrated.
I mean Makar had a "B" rating from the NHL central scouting pre-season which is the largest scouting service, and finished as the highest rated D-man in North America.

NHL central scouting still underrates AJHL.

Elite prospects has Ceulmanns listed as committed to Wisconsin for the 22-23 season. Similar to Rathbone who didn’t go to the ncaa after he was drafted.

 

[Breakers]

Elite prospects has Ceulmanns listed as committed to Wisconsin for the 22-23 season. Similar to Rathbone who didn’t go to the ncaa after he was drafted.

It depends on the NCAA requirements and if he completed it.
Elite prospects usually pushes dates until they get confirmation

He is listed on Wisconson's official 2021 class
Nine new Badgers - 2021 men's hockey signing class revealed | Wisconsin Badgers

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

Jeez. You know, it may not be such a bad idea to move the draft to 2022. Host 2 drafts next year and give scouts the chance to better evaluate these players.

how would 2 drafts work?

like one draft on a certain date and a second one 6 months later or would something completely bizarre like two first rounds with different orders based on how teams finished each year, that would make for a lot of interesting trading but would be too strange

 

[sting101]

Jeez. You know, it may not be such a bad idea to move the draft to 2022. Host 2 drafts next year and give scouts the chance to better evaluate these players.

Agree this is the best scenario.

It's not the kind of draft with 3-5 guys ready to jump in and make an impact anyway and another year to actually evaluate these guys seems like the right thing to do

 

[sting101]

how would 2 drafts work?

like one draft on a certain date and a second one 6 months later or would something completely bizarre like two first rounds with different orders based on how teams finished each year, that would make for a lot of interesting trading but would be too strange

It's a logical idea, but won't happen. It would mean too many players coming out of their ELC's a few years down the road. I actually find the thought of the 2021 draft kind of exciting.

What it'll mean is that the NHL teams that cheapened out on their scouting staffs and scouting resources, will be a serious disadvantage. The teams that focused resources on scouting both in N.A. and Europe, will be have a major leg up. I have no idea where the Canucks stand on this continuum.

But there's bound to be a number of great young players who drop in this draft only through a lack of exposure. And some team that's done their homework will scoop them up. I could see a few of the better-run NHL teams mining as many as four or five great prospects out of this draft if they've got the right book on them.

Dreger said on Insider Trading this week. “There’s lots of talk across the National Hockey League about the draft being pushed from 2021 – this summer – to 2022 – the summer – and the NHL hosting back-to-back drafts. NHL general managers are very much in favor of this and you got to think the 2021 draft eligible players would also be in favor of it, given the fact a majority of these kids aren’t playing hockey right now. But, keep in mind this is a CBA-related issue, the NHLPA is not involved yet, but they will have to get involved if there’s change.”
Yes, that would mean 2021 eligible prospects selected in one draft, and 2022 prospects picked a few days later. Draft orders would be made up by the respective results of each season tied to that year’s draft-eligible players.

 

[canuckking1]

Would be Huge for teams in the top 10. D+1 season of prospects is usually a good indicator of how they're tracking. EP likely would've gone 1st OA after the season he had in Sweden coming into the draft.

 

[lawrence]

Would be Huge for teams in the top 10. D+1 season of prospects is usually a good indicator of how they're tracking. EP likely would've gone 1st OA after the season he had in Sweden coming into the draft.

i'm down for a delayed 2021 draft.

 

[The Iron Goalie]

 

[lawrence]

It's times like these that I'm reminded we lost a NCAA guru in a power struggle with a GM that's about to be canned.

now please stop with this. Bracket was here 5 years before Benning got here and he didn't do shit for us. Podkolzin was not him, that would be a Russian based scout, Eliass Pettersson was not him, and the same with Hoglander.

 

[Raistlin]

now please stop with this. Bracket was here 5 years before Benning got here and he didn't do shit for us. Podkolzin was not him, that would be a Russian based scout, Eliass Pettersson was not him, and the same with Hoglander.

You know.... I did mention NCAA for a reason...

Boeser, Demko, Rathbone, Madden, Gaudette... He did some shit for us.

 

[Izzy Goodenough]

Take comfort: Canucks scout Brandon Benning talks about what scouting will look like going forward

 

[VIPettersson]

I know we need help on D but Eklund is a very tempting prospect.

 

[StreetHawk]

how would 2 drafts work?

like one draft on a certain date and a second one 6 months later or would something completely bizarre like two first rounds with different orders based on how teams finished each year, that would make for a lot of interesting trading but would be too strange

If they did push the 2021 draft back, it still should not change the timeline of when you need to sign them as the 2003 birth year group needs to be signed by 2023 or they go back into the draft. And for those with a late 2002 birthday, they are then immediately eligible to go to the AHL or return for an overage year in the CHL for example.

 

[y2kcanucks]

how would 2 drafts work?

like one draft on a certain date and a second one 6 months later or would something completely bizarre like two first rounds with different orders based on how teams finished each year, that would make for a lot of interesting trading but would be too strange

I think it would be the same as if they did the draft this year, except they would hold the 2021 draft on one day, and the 2022 draft on another.

 

[NuxFan09]

Big fan of Kent Johnson and Brandt Clarke. Hoping for one of those two.

 

[lawrence]

You know.... I did mention NCAA for a reason...

Boeser, Demko, Rathbone, Madden, Gaudette... He did some shit for us.

I meant prior to Benning coming. Rathbone and Madden also has 0 nhl games so far. Demko was under a different head amateur scout at that time, but credits to Bracket too. I wish he stayed I do have to agree with Jim on this though. Him controlling the draft floor is too much.

 

[lawrence]

I think it would be the same as if they did the draft this year, except they would hold the 2021 draft on one day, and the 2022 draft on another.

probably one weekend is the 2021 draft another weekend would be the 2022 draft.

 

[StreetHawk]

One guy who is going to be interesting to see how he is judged in scouting circles around the league is Corson Ceulemans
D-man out of the AJHL
He restarts here in about 2 weeks, as that's when the league opens back up for Alberta.
Wisconsin hockey has been hyping him as he is attending there next year.
College Hockey Inc, and SBN college hockey think this guy is going to shoot up draft boards into the top 10 similar to Makar, they really think he is underrated.
I mean Makar had a "B" rating from the NHL central scouting pre-season which is the largest scouting service, and finished as the highest rated D-man in North America.

NHL central scouting still underrates AJHL.

It's going to be all over the board. I've seen mocks that have Corson Ceulmans going in the teens and others he's late 20's and a couple that he's into the 30's.

It is a short season for the CHL around 24 games give or take. These tier 2 leagues like the AJHL, BCHL, etc. going to be even tougher for them to get games in.

Advantage for the European based players or kids who have gone over to play as well as the NCAA guys and USHL.

This is a draft where it's going to be difficult to assertain whether you should drop down 10 sports cause you never know what another team sees in a player with so few games.

I mean, there are players like Samuel Fagemo from Sweden who was taken in round 2 in 2019 because he was passed over in 2018 due to injuries. So, small sample sizes and what the player did at 17 wasn't enough to get him taken even at the end of the 2018 draft.

Kind of like if you like a guy, probably best to just take him.

Ceulmans is a guy that I think the Canucks should have their eye on as a RHD. But, really depends on where they draft and how much of a season he has to play. Most of the D in this draft that are in the top 5-7 for Dmen are LHD, like Powers, Hughes, Lambos, Evidsson, etc. Only Brandt Clarke and Ceulmans are RHD.