WC: 2021 Kazakhstan Roster Talk

[Khokhlach86]

Kazakhstan announced today the squad for the World Championship

Goalkeepers: Henrik Karlsson, Andrey Shutov, Nikita Boyarkin;

Defenders: Darren Dietz, Alexey Maklyukov, Ivan Stepanenko, Jesse Blacker, Victor Svedberg, Yegor Shalapov, Samat Daniyar, Valery Orekhov, Kirill Polokhov;

Forwards: Roman Starchenko, Yevgeny Rymarev, Anton Sagadeev, Pavel Akolzin, Alexander Shin, Sayan Daniyar, Alikhan Asetov, Dmitry Shevchenko, Nikita Mikhailis, Kirill Panyukov, Dmitry Gurkov, Curtis Valk, Kirill Savitsky, Arkady Shestakov, Artem Likhotnikov, Yegor Petukhov

Click to read more...

 

[Eye of Ra]

Kazaks must be angry that Dawes wont play.

Svedberg and Karlsson, 2 swedes.

 

[SoundAndFury]

I don't think they are too angry. He is old, pretty nothing tournament (no relegation), and the wing is their deepest position.

 

[Eye of Ra]

I don't think they are too angry. He is old, pretty nothing tournament (no relegation), and the wing is their deepest position.

He is a top KHLer that would add much. Always nice to have sucess even in a "nothing tournament". Dawes would be a threat to any team.

Congratulations to Lithaunia btw, you guys made Euro 2022 in handball (men) for first time ever.

2022 European Men's Handball Championship - Wikipedia

 

[SoundAndFury]

He is a top KHLer that would add much. Always nice to have sucess even in a "nothing tournament". Dawes would be a threat to any team.

Congratulations to Lithaunia btw, you guys made Euro 2022 in handball (men) for first time ever.

2022 European Men's Handball Championship - Wikipedia

Yeah for sure he would be useful but I just pointed out there is nothing to really be angry about, him not playing is pretty understandable. I also think they "cheated" slightly in favor of the young guys under the circumstances hence the 3 young Ds in favor of Metalnikov, for example.

And yes, thank you for congratulations, that actually did make the headlines here

 

[Eye of Ra]

Btw Eric Martinsson just signed with Barys Nur-Sultan. In 3 years from now he is probaly gonna play for Kazaksthan National Team.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Yeah, imagine the days when Kazakhstan - Italy used to be close. With all these imports (and some internal improvement, sure) they are getting close to mid-table.. Hopefully, they don't find a new import goalie right away after Karlsson hangs them up. I guess we have to thank Skabelka for luring Pasquale to Loko and ruining that scheme.

 

[JohnWillow]

Btw Eric Martinsson just signed with Barys Nur-Sultan. In 3 years from now he is probaly gonna play for Kazaksthan National Team.

Александр Корешков: "Перед сборной всегда ставится максимальная задача" - Шайба.kz

This is funny because in a interview Kazakhstan GM said that every single foreigner who signs with Barys there is talk between team and agent that the player must represent national team, which is a disgrace.

 

[Zine]

Александр Корешков: "Перед сборной всегда ставится максимальная задача" - Шайба.kz

This is funny because in a interview Kazakhstan GM said that every single foreigner who signs with Barys there is talk between team and agent that the player must represent national team, which is a disgrace.

A disgrace, but it benefits all sides long-term considering, with Kazakh citizenship, foreigners are no longer considered imports.

 

[ozo]

Александр Корешков: "Перед сборной всегда ставится максимальная задача" - Шайба.kz

This is funny because in a interview Kazakhstan GM said that every single foreigner who signs with Barys there is talk between team and agent that the player must represent national team, which is a disgrace.

Yep, player agent Babayev who represents most of the Barys foreigners that eventually play for NT was even voicing his surprise that Barys signed Ortio who won't be able to help national team.

Anyone willing to create Belarus national team thread? Would like to shame them too about handing out passports like candy.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Not gonna lie, Ortio resigning was a surprise to me as well. I guess they want to try Boyarkin for a year or something. He does seem like a pretty promising goalie by Kazakh standards.

 

[ozo]

I guess they want to try Boyarkin for a year or something. He does seem like a pretty promising goalie by Kazakh standards.

I frankly don't see it. Barys has shown no long term vision in nurturing local talent in all of their existence, all of their local players more or less fall in their laps or breakout out of nowhere. Team/hockey federation is maddeningly results driven, so they chose the easy way and are purchasing national team members in hope for immediate success. They will either resign Karlsson for another year or get some fresh meat in from AHL.

 

[SoundAndFury]

They will either resign Karlsson for another year or get some fresh meat in from AHL.

That's definitely an option and was almost certainly a plan for Pasquale but 1) they need to get the AHL guy now for him to be eligible for 2023 WC at least and Barys only have backup slot open which limits whom they can attract somewhat; 2) Karlsson is getting really old so even if they still go with him in 2022 AND he agrees they really do need to get someone else for 2023.

You know, at least there is some intrigue to the whole situation now, not just a smooth transition from guy A to guy B.

 

[ozo]

You know, at least there is some intrigue to the whole situation now, not just a smooth transition from guy A to guy B.

Worlds saddest intrigue! But I agree, if for some reason Karlsson is unable to play this or next year, Kazakhstan might have to ice a local goalie.

 

[SoundAndFury]

Worlds saddest intrigue!

At this point, you take the little wins

 

[peconcan]

How come Antropov’s kid has never suited up at any level? He’s a dual and has never represented Canada

 

[SoundAndFury]

How come Antropov’s kid has never suited up at any level? He’s a dual and has never represented Canada

He sees no reason to play for Kazakhstan, I'd assume. Since his father is ethnic Russian and he was born in Canada, Kazakh hockey probably doesn't mean much to him.

 

[Exarz]

He sees no reason to play for Kazakhstan, I'd assume. Since his father is ethnic Russian and he was born in Canada, Kazakh hockey probably doesn't mean much to him.

Is he even eligible to represent Kazakhstan? My guess is he didn't play there when his father played for Barys. And I'd guess he would've represented Kazakhstan at least at the U20 level if he was eligible, considering that they played in the top division.

 

[Urbanskog]

I don't think they are too angry. He is old, pretty nothing tournament (no relegation), and the wing is their deepest position.

This should be the opposite of a "nothing tournament" for Kazakhstan considering what poor teams most teams relying on North America-based players are sending this year. Meanwhile Kazakhstan is really only missing Dawes so if they ever wanted to pursue something bigger than just to avoid relegation, this is the year to do that.

 

[ozo]

Meanwhile Kazakhstan is really only missing Dawes

That's just not true. They are realistically missing their two best local D players in Savchenko and Metalnikov. That said, make no mistake, missing Dawes is obviously huge, because outside Curtis Valk their forwards are all locals or non-factor Russians.

 

[Urbanskog]

That's just not true. They are realistically missing their two best local D players in Savchenko and Metalnikov. That said, make no mistake, missing Dawes is obviously huge, because outside Curtis Valk their forwards are all locals or non-factor Russians.

Missing your "two best local D players" doesn't mean much when their best defensemen are naturalized. The fact that Kazakhstan didn't even end up selecting Metalnikov (despite presumably being available) hardly even makes it qualify as a loss.

 

[ozo]

Missing your "two best local D players" doesn't mean much when their best defensemen are naturalized. The fact that Kazakhstan didn't even end up selecting Metalnikov (despite presumably being available) hardly even makes it qualify as a loss.

Love your confidence when talking about things you don't even bother to investigate. Metalnikov has a long term injury so that's why he is missing out. And yes, missing two legit KHL defensemen for a nation like Kazakhstan is a big loss no matter how you spin it.

 

[Garl]

Love your confidence when talking about things you don't even bother to investigate. Metalnikov has a long term injury so that's why he is missing out. And yes, missing two legit KHL defensemen for a nation like Kazakhstan is a big loss no matter how you spin it.

What do you mean by "legit"?
Both Metalnikov and Savchenko are only good for KHL due to the fact they are not considered imports

 

[ozo]

What do you mean by "legit"?
Both Metalnikov and Savchenko are only good for KHL due to the fact they are not considered imports

I hope you are only semi-serious with this, but ok, I'll give you that - Savchenko is not better/more valuable than any of Lokomotiv's 5 foreigners, but a powerhouse team like Lokomotiv can sign any non-foreign player they wish, yet they still chose to pick up him. How come if he is not a "legit" KHL player?

Obviously I can't build the such case for Metalnikov, as he still play for Barys, but just watch him play lol. Barys is a playoff team year in year out, unlike Dinamo Riga who actually ices all sorts of awful local players because they are local.

I don't even know how we got there. All I'm saying, Kazakhstan has a handful of good players outside naturalized players and two of them are missing the tournament.

 

[erik26]

Savchenko have Russia pasport, Metalnikov is injured... Henrik Karlsson is out of team....