2021 Blues Regular Season multi-purpose thread

[shpongle falls]

So if they send Neighbors back to juniors would they then have the cap space to call up Perunovich if they wanted to?

 

[bleedblue1223]

His bonuses are $1.3M. Does anyone know what the specific conditions are for him to meet the bonus. Even if we get to the point of calling him up, his bonuses combined with Bozak would really screw us for next season if they both hit the bonuses, so I could definitely see him playing majority of the year in Springfield.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

A fully healthy Blues forward group will be disgusting

Saad-RoR-Perron
Kyrou-Thomas-Tarasenko
Kostin-Schenn-Buch
Barbie-Bozak-Sunny.

If the Blues could just Upgrade Walman to a player who's actually average or above average defensively.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

A fully healthy Blues forward group will be disgusting

Saad-RoR-Perron
Kyrou-Thomas-Tarasenko
Kostin-Schenn-Buch
Barbie-Bozak-Sunny.

If the Blues could just Upgrade Walman to a player who's actually average or above average defensively.

The Blues need immediate help on defense, but the COVID situation is hampering an already-challenging cap situation. Who to target and how this happens is for DA to figure out, but it needs to happen as quickly as he can. We might have to give up an asset to get immediate help on D. And I'm not talkin' Lindholm.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

The Blues need immediate help on defense, but the COVID situation is hampering an already-challenging cap situation. Who to target and how this happens is for DA to figure out, but it needs to happen as quickly as he can. We might have to give up an asset to get immediate help on D. And I'm not talkin' Lindholm.

Krug will be back soon. That changes everything. We still absolutely could use upgrade to 3rd pair, but whole dynamic has been different with Krug out. And unless we put Schenn on LTIR we have no room to add in a trade (unless we send $ out).

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Krug will be back soon. That changes everything. We still absolutely could use upgrade to 3rd pair, but whole dynamic has been different with Krug out. And unless we put Schenn on LTIR we have no room to add in a trade (unless we send $ out).

Even with Krug back, this COVID nonsense will continue AND the injury bug hasn't even hit yet. Glad the Blues D got exposed early on. Sad to think that Torey Krug is THAT important. Mikkola is a nobody right now and not much better than Calle Rosen, if at all.

Exposed.

And Perunovich is not the answer. We need help now and giving up a rostered asset is required to get that help.

 

[Reality Czech]

Even with Krug back, this COVID nonsense will continue AND the injury bug hasn't even hit yet. Glad the Blues D got exposed early on. Sad to think that Torey Krug is THAT important. Mikkola is a nobody right now and not much better than Calle Rosen, if at all.

Exposed.

And Perunovich is not the answer. We need help now and giving up a rostered asset is required to get that help.

Krug is by far our best puck moving d-man and an elite PP QB, of course his loss is important.

I really don't see the urgency to make a move now. Yes, our defense has been pushed to the limit but we're still getting points. Armstrong will likely make a move for a veteran depth guy at some point but I don't think a move is imminent.

 

[Renard]

The salary cap rules require the team to be able to cover the bonuses, per Armstrong, amd there isn’t enough room to do that for Perunovich even though his base salary is not much different than Rosen. It’s the difference between having players absent for Covid (no relief) and LTIR where they’d have had room.

I haven't seen Perunovich's contract, but is it likely that he will earn huge bonuses during the ten days that Krug will be out?

 

[Stealth JD]

I haven't seen Perunovich's contract, but is it likely that he will earn huge bonuses during the ten days that Krug will be out?

Doesn't matter. the full contract amount with bonuses has to fit under the cap for ELC. Vets over 35 can have their bonuses calculated retroactively and charged the following season, but not rookies.

 

[Renard]

Doesn't matter. the full contract amount with bonuses has to fit under the cap for ELC. Vets over 35 can have their bonuses calculated retroactively and charged the following season, but not rookies.

So if SP has a bonus incentive for being rookie of the year, the NHL treats that as being earned and paid for cap purposes?

 

[Brian39]

Doesn't matter. the full contract amount with bonuses has to fit under the cap for ELC. Vets over 35 can have their bonuses calculated retroactively and charged the following season, but not rookies.

Speaking generally, this is absolutely not true.

We carried a $719k rollover bonus into 2020/21 based on bonuses were mostly from ELC guys. We had 4 players hit bonuses (presumably Bouw, Thomas, Dunn and Kyrou). Bouw was the only non-ELC player with bonuses and the only bonus he hit was a $125k games played bonus. We absolutely wouldn't have been cap-compliant if you factored in all of Thomas, Kyrou, and Dunn's bonuses that year.

Here is an article noting that Pettersson and Hughes hit bonuses on their ELCs that were rolled over.

Capfriendly's bonus FAQ makes no mention of a difference between ELC or 35+ bonuses. Their really isn't a way to read that and conclude that ELC bonuses aren't eligible for rollover.

It is absolutely not true that the full contract amount with bonuses have to fit under the cap on ELCs. Rookies can absolutely have their bonuses rollover exactly how 35+ contracts do.

There might be an LTIR rule/restriction that requires a bonus-laden player added to the roster using LTIR relief to fully fit and not be eligible for rollover. I have never heard of such a rule, but LTIR is stupidly complex and it wouldn't surprise me. But it is not an issue that ELC bonuses are calculated different from 35+. This is either an LTIR quirk or Army is using the word "can't" when he really means that having Perunovich hit his bonuses would completely screw us down the line.

 

[Stealth JD]

Speaking generally, this is absolutely not true.

We carried a $719k rollover bonus into 2020/21 based on bonuses were mostly from ELC guys. We had 4 players hit bonuses (presumably Bouw, Thomas, Dunn and Kyrou). Bouw was the only non-ELC player with bonuses and the only bonus he hit was a $125k games played bonus. We absolutely wouldn't have been cap-compliant if you factored in all of Thomas, Kyrou, and Dunn's bonuses that year.

Here is an article noting that Pettersson and Hughes hit bonuses on their ELCs that were rolled over.

Capfriendly's bonus FAQ makes no mention of a difference between ELC or 35+ bonuses. Their really isn't a way to read that and conclude that ELC bonuses aren't eligible for rollover.

It is absolutely not true that the full contract amount with bonuses have to fit under the cap on ELCs. Rookies can absolutely have their bonuses rollover exactly how 35+ contracts do.

There might be an LTIR rule/restriction that requires a bonus-laden player added to the roster using LTIR relief to fully fit and not be eligible for rollover. I have never heard of such a rule, but LTIR is stupidly complex and it wouldn't surprise me. But it is not an issue that ELC bonuses are calculated different from 35+. This is either an LTIR quirk or Army is using the word "can't" when he really means that having Perunovich hit his bonuses would completely screw us down the line.

who am i to argue with a lawyer? i just repeat what i've been lead to believe from...somewhere. it all gets a little murky, so i won't try to blame my source-data

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Krug is by far our best puck moving d-man and an elite PP QB, of course his loss is important.

I really don't see the urgency to make a move now. Yes, our defense has been pushed to the limit but we're still getting points. Armstrong will likely make a move for a veteran depth guy at some point but I don't think a move is imminent.

Yes, but moving the puck is not problem. Neither Walman or Mikkola have stepped up, so that's a problem. Perhaps a move is not imminent, but it should be, imo.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

His bonuses are $1.3M. Does anyone know what the specific conditions are for him to meet the bonus. Even if we get to the point of calling him up, his bonuses combined with Bozak would really screw us for next season if they both hit the bonuses, so I could definitely see him playing majority of the year in Springfield.

I think Bozak needs to just run a lap around the Arch while eating an egg foo yung sandwich, so that should be attainable.

 

[Bluesfan54]

Neighbors has been sent back to juniors, Joshua called up.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Speaking generally, this is absolutely not true.

We carried a $719k rollover bonus into 2020/21 based on bonuses were mostly from ELC guys. We had 4 players hit bonuses (presumably Bouw, Thomas, Dunn and Kyrou). Bouw was the only non-ELC player with bonuses and the only bonus he hit was a $125k games played bonus. We absolutely wouldn't have been cap-compliant if you factored in all of Thomas, Kyrou, and Dunn's bonuses that year.

Here is an article noting that Pettersson and Hughes hit bonuses on their ELCs that were rolled over.

Capfriendly's bonus FAQ makes no mention of a difference between ELC or 35+ bonuses. Their really isn't a way to read that and conclude that ELC bonuses aren't eligible for rollover.

It is absolutely not true that the full contract amount with bonuses have to fit under the cap on ELCs. Rookies can absolutely have their bonuses rollover exactly how 35+ contracts do.

There might be an LTIR rule/restriction that requires a bonus-laden player added to the roster using LTIR relief to fully fit and not be eligible for rollover. I have never heard of such a rule, but LTIR is stupidly complex and it wouldn't surprise me. But it is not an issue that ELC bonuses are calculated different from 35+. This is either an LTIR quirk or Army is using the word "can't" when he really means that having Perunovich hit his bonuses would completely screw us down the line.

To add to this, I don't think we had enough cap space for Perunovich salary (excluding bonuses) when we recalled Rosen. In spite of how it was reported, Army may have been making larger point about cap constraints and why we needed to keep Peru down.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Yes, but moving the puck is not problem. Neither Walman or Mikkola have stepped up, so that's a problem. Perhaps a move is not imminent, but it should be, imo.

When you can't get puck out of zone, it's a problem. When you can only dump it out and not move it out with control, it's a problem. When you can only dump in and not enter with possession, it's a problem.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Neighbors has been sent back to juniors, Joshua called up.

I 100% think having him to start season was right move. But he appears to have stagnated and we need the roster spot and cap space, so this was inevitable.

 

[Halak Ness Monster]

Neighbors has been sent back to juniors, Joshua called up.

Not surprising. I called this after his 3rd or 4th game. He will have a 10+ year career in the NHL. But we have to make sure that’s as a top 6 forward who can chip in 45+ points a year.

This will be great for his development. Head back to the WHL and be the man offensively. That’s the stage he is at.

The effort and tenacity will always be a part of his game and will keep him around a long time. He just needs to work on his confidence and ability in the offensive end.

Plus the Blues just don’t have a desperate need to keep him around. We are deep at forward. This isn’t like 2007 with Perron where we had a thin lineup.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I'll be excited to see what he looks like next camp now that he has a feel for what the NHL game is like.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

When you can't get puck out of zone, it's a problem. When you can only dump it out and not move it out with control, it's a problem. When you can only dump in and not enter with possession, it's a problem.

Yes, of course. And, Schenn notwithstanding, losing a single defenseman, like Krug, largely precipitated each of those problems. I'm afraid our defense has been a little exposed.

Compel me.

 

[Frenzy31]

Yes, of course. And, Schenn notwithstanding, losing a single defenseman, like Krug, largely precipitated each of those problems. I'm afraid our defense has been a little exposed.

Compel me.

Most teams losing their top dman on what ever side will experience a bit a drop in play. Krug is a solid number 3 on most teams in the NHL. But for us, he is our top LHD. The step down from him to Mikkola/Walman is a pretty big drop.

 

[PocketNines]

What we are seeing these last couple games in the defensive “depth” is why, despite the clear and tempting logic, sending Scandella back for cap relief in a trade for Lindholm or Giordano is not something Armstrong wants to do. Unless he then adds a separate defenseman like Chairot for the bottom pairing.

 

[joe galiba]

who am i to argue with a lawyer? i just repeat what i've been lead to believe from...somewhere. it all gets a little murky, so i won't try to blame my source-data

It is OK to argue with a lawyer as they are just practicing

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Most teams losing their top dman on what ever side will experience a bit a drop in play. Krug is a solid number 3 on most teams in the NHL. But for us, he is our top LHD. The step down from him to Mikkola/Walman is a pretty big drop.

Yeah, totally. These issues have been discussed ad nauseum on this board. I didn't participate much in those discussions, but I suppose the team's problematic defense has become more salient for me.