GDT: 2021-22 season game 48 LA Kings vs Edmonton Oilers @7:30pm 2/15/22

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Well, do us all a favor…when you DO decide to blow your brains out (which will probably be after Friday’s loss which will obviously signify the end of the season and any playoff hopes), make sure you take Brown, Maatta, TM, Blake, Sturm and the player development team with you!

100%.....but, to be honest, probably won't happen Friday either....

I mean, I don't know if these guys don't get it, or don't care, but the other teams they play, have good players as well, so while yes, the Kings should go 82-0, then 16-0 every single year as decreed by God himself.....in reality......good teams lose, bad teams win, and the world still spins.
 
100%.....but, to be honest, probably won't happen Friday either....

I mean, I don't know if these guys don't get it, or don't care, but the other teams they play, have good players as well, so while yes, the Kings should go 82-0, then 16-0 every single year as decreed by God himself.....in reality......good teams lose, bad teams win, and the world still spins.

But the Kings just came off a 4-0-2 road trip…so they obviously don’t lose. Can’t you see there is something drastically wrong? Wake up, bro.
 
Frustrating loss to a team chasing them.

Cal made a mistake but he also had two terrible goals against (interference) that he could do little about.

The PP looked a step faster but they still hesitate too much when it comes to shooting. Still an issue.

Edmonton and Calgary had about 5 games in hand which always skewed the standings a bit.

So many teams are fighting for those few spots. Very little room for error. It's gonna be a dogfight. Still a good possibility they don't make the playoffs.
 
Not laying blame...Every time DD8 and 11 play that many minutes, they lose.

Brown looked like a steaming pile. Love the guy, but it's time. Nostalgia doesn't help win you games or Cups, it's a result of.

Last night's performance by Brown may very well have been the worst by any King ever. He was absolutely useless, everything he did hurt the team. Awful penalty, awful turnovers, awful passes, lost every single board and 50/50 battle. No offense whatsoever. No forechecking, he just floated around between the bluelines coughing up pucks.

Take him out behind the barn and put him out of our misery.
 
But the Kings just came off a 4-0-2 road trip…so they obviously don’t lose. Can’t you see there is something drastically wrong? Wake up, bro.

Something is definitely wrong, just don't think it has anything to do with the team...

Kings are now 4-5-1 in the division, 7-12-4 vs. the west.

If you guys want to blow each other because you're superior fans be my guest, I love you both and support this relationship, but it's clear that you're doing so while ignoring plenty of alarming trends.
 
Want to see this next game:

Kempe Kopitar Kaliyev KKK line
Moore Danualt Arvidsson
Iafallo Byfield Vilardi
Lemieux Lizotte Anderson-Dolan

Arty is looking great and really excelling on the boards now. 9 goals on bottom line is exceptional. Kopi's line has been a little flat, of late. Move Arty there. He's not only
capable, he will excel. Danualt's line is fine. Line 3 with AA and Brown has been garbage. Needs a driver. Put Iafallo there. Will add some instant success and help QB.
Vilardi has done well in Ontario and has played with QB before. He has over 70 NHL games now. He's got his confidence and would be better than Brown there, now.
Call up JAD. 17 goals, 15 assists in 34 AHL games and he's been on a tear. He can skate, be a pest and has a good shot and can finish. In brining up Vilardi and JAD,
it's not like you're bringing up a rookie with less than 10 NHL games...these 2 know the rigors and are both excelling in the AHL. Have more experience and confidence
now. PP2, add Byfield. Let's roll!
 
Kings are now 4-5-1 in the division, 7-12-4 vs. the west.

If you guys want to blow each other because you're superior fans be my guest, I love you both and support this relationship, but it's clear that you're doing so while ignoring plenty of alarming trends.

I thought you were 'done'....like a month ago?
 
Kings are now 4-5-1 in the division, 7-12-4 vs. the west.

Did anyone really expect major lineup changes after going 4-0-2 on the last road trip? Did you really expect the Kings to come home and all lines to be shuffled, which include call-ups for JAD, Vilardi and 20 minutes of ice time for Byfield? How did I miss this memo?
 
The Kings are turning Byfield into Jordan Staal and Turcotte into Andrew Cogliano and the whole hockey world should be on them for it because it's a f***ing shame. They're trying to turn Kaliyev into Dwight King but he's fortunate the '4th line' isn't for veteran corpses.

Can't wait till we lose JAD and Grundstrom on waivers next training camp because the org needs to extend DB and AA another year for reasons. And moverare to waivers/arbitration whatever

Come on now - we are all just upset the way this game went. Kaliyev is in exactly the right place he needs to be and will continue to score as he advances in his career. He needed to learn how to forecheck and set up opportunities. He has a big enough body to do that. Byfield just isn't there yet. Still needs some time to marinate. I'm with you guys on Brown and AA. If Brown is not playing a power forward style of hockey, he's pretty useless out there. AA just doesn't fit in the direction that this team is going. IMHO, Vilardi and JAD should be on this team full-time next year/later this year or be traded.

So far the only players we have really lost are MacDermid and Clague. I'm going to give Blake the benefit of the doubt here before casting aspersions.
 
Did everyone expect Brown to still be on PP1 after 1 point in 100 odd minutes and 6 worst PP in the league? If there ever was a genetic marker for coaching ineptitude that is it. You can find universal sentiment about some key facts: PP1 is atrocious, Brown is atrocious (for example) nitter Can anyone take the opposite side of this argument, that Brown belongs on PP1 and that PP1 is OK as it is.
 
Last year., the Kings had the worst second line in the NHL. Vilardi was floundering and not quite ready. Had a very poor 20 game stretch. Carter was moved to wing and was brutal his last 2+ years. Had zero passion. I guess he's gained some of that back. Good for him. I'll take the 3rd and 4th round picks, thanks. He was not going to be effective here, so Blake moved him. AA and Kempe got some games on that line, but that line had zero chemistry and was terrible.

So, a second center was needed. Gabe was not quite ready, or needed to be tried at wing. Having Kopi and Gabe as C 1 and 2, also arguably would be the slowest #1 and #2 center combo in the NHL. I still believe in Gabe and if he gets a another legit chance as a RW, he could excel. (just keep AA and Brown off his line - or better both of them off the ice)

So, there was a hole at 2C. They were not sold on Gabe there and throwing a 19 year old Byfield would not have been good. Kempe was finding his game on wing. It's kind of too bad that he could not have taken 2C. The only real choice was to get a short term 2C, or sign Danault. I would vote Danault as the Kings MVP this year. And the Kings have gone from the worst 2nd line in the NHL, to perhaps the best second line in the NHL. Arvidsson has 30 pts in 40 games - a 60 pt projection. I do not know the last year the Kings had a 60 pt forward, not named Anze. Probably years.

There's no reason that Byfield can't play 3C and have success, IF he's given better wingers and 12 minutes. (putting Byfield on PP 1 or PP2 would get him in 11-12 minutes area) If Moore or Iafallo was slotted there, would help. AI has been a little flat of late, so he could move down. He's a major upgrade to AA or 23 there. Moore-Danault-Arvidsson should stay together. I'd put Arty up with Kopitar - he's playing that good. And move AI to line 3. Lizotte's line could have AA or 23...but i'd sit 23. I'd callup Gabe now and have AI - Byfield - Vilardi as line 3. But we know this won't happen.
I’m not poo pooing the Danault signing. I just do not understand the development or roster building.
 
I’m not poo pooing the Danault signing. I just do not understand the development or roster building.

I know that. Have always loved your takes. There was really no solution for 2C. Unless, there was a stop gap solution, or someone like a Chandler Stephenson type, that was capable and
just needed a chance. I can't think of any of those. Would have been nice if Kempe could play 2C...but he's been better on the wing. Turcotte, Kupari, Byfield, Vilardi all not ready for 2C
fulltime. It's too bad that one of them were not ready.
 
Kings are now 4-5-1 in the division, 7-12-4 vs. the west.

If you guys want to blow each other because you're superior fans be my guest, I love you both and support this relationship, but it's clear that you're doing so while ignoring plenty of alarming trends.

Alarming trends? Jesus Christ....tell me one goddamn team in the NHL that doesn't have ALARMING TRENDS right now....please, I can wait.
 
Did everyone expect Brown to still be on PP1 after 1 point in 100 odd minutes and 6 worst PP in the league? If there ever was a genetic marker for coaching ineptitude that is it. You can find universal sentiment about some key facts: PP1 is atrocious, Brown is atrocious (for example) nitter Can anyone take the opposite side of this argument, that Brown belongs on PP1 and that PP1 is OK as it is.

I bet if interviewed TMc would say something to the effect that he likes some of the attributes that Brown brings to the PP and that's why he rolls him out there, even if it doesn't show up in the stat sheet. That's the crux of the problem though. With a PP as bad as the Kings unit is, you shouldn't like ANYTHING about it. I'm waiting for someone to show me that stats where Brown leads the team in quinary assists on the PP and THAT's why he belongs!
 
This argument is almost as old as McLellans coaching style.

Micro vs Macro. Fans that are happy with the overall place of the team are going to continue to downplay the inherent issues. Fans that are happy with the teams current place in the standings but not happy with how they're getting there are going to continue to point out this consistencies of the coaching style at this stage. Because they believe the coaching style and systems are holding the team back from being better than they even are or could/should ultimate be and in helping them to develop into something great.

It's frustrating as all hell and just because you don't share the same frustration doesn't mean those issues don't exist the same way that voicing frustrations doesn't meant that the team isn't heading in the right direction(albeit very slowly).
 
This argument is almost as old as McLellans coaching style.

Micro vs Macro. Fans that are happy with the overall place of the team are going to continue to downplay the inherent issues. Fans that are happy with the teams current place in the standings but not happy with how they're getting there are going to continue to point out this consistencies of the coaching style at this stage. Because they believe the coaching style and systems are holding the team back from being better than they even are or could/should ultimate be and in helping them to develop into something great.

It's frustrating as all hell and just because you don't share the same frustration doesn't mean those issues don't exist the same way that voicing frustrations doesn't meant that the team isn't heading in the right direction(albeit very slowly).
I personally have given credit for the macro of 5x5 style - great fit for the personnel available. The team has outshot the opponents in 15 straight games. Thats quite an accomplishment that Koala deserves credit for. When you see the special teams ineptitude costing the team games, it creates a lot of frustration and head scratching.. that isnt a micro/macro thing at all...because there is no adaptation or sense that something is not working that will be addressed. Its as if its accepted and that is how it has to be.
 
This argument is almost as old as McLellans coaching style.

Micro vs Macro. Fans that are happy with the overall place of the team are going to continue to downplay the inherent issues. Fans that are happy with the teams current place in the standings but not happy with how they're getting there are going to continue to point out this consistencies of the coaching style at this stage. Because they believe the coaching style and systems are holding the team back from being better than they even are or could/should ultimate be and in helping them to develop into something great.

It's frustrating as all hell and just because you don't share the same frustration doesn't mean those issues don't exist the same way that voicing frustrations doesn't meant that the team isn't heading in the right direction(albeit very slowly).


Well said imo and that's pretty much WHY it's so frustrating.

The good: TM has the team playing at a phenomenal level 5v5 for their talent level. They're in the playoff chase despite very apparent issues.
The bad: special teams and usage--the team COULD be even better, and there is a legitimate worry that the vets are being prioritized over youthful development, giving a smoke and mirrors appearance, you can argue this team is actually in the black hole right now because the vets aren't going to get better but currently neither can the youth.

Those two things in combination are maddening--you see a team on the verge of something great, with a great set of vets and youth, but a set of seriously annoying consistent issues that lead to meltdowns like last nights' in important games. It makes it a roller coaster.
 
Alarming trends? Jesus Christ....tell me one goddamn team in the NHL that doesn't have ALARMING TRENDS right now....please, I can wait.


The only teams in the West with a worse record vs. the West: Seattle. That's it. That's the list.

Sure, every team has issues, none are quite as alarming as a 15th-place-of-16 record vs your own conference and special teams failure whose only company is the Yotes and Canadiens.
 
The only teams in the West with a worse record vs. the West: Seattle. That's it. That's the list.

Sure, every team has issues, none are quite as alarming as a 15th-place-of-16 record vs your own conference and special teams failure whose only company is the Yotes and Canadiens.

So your "alarming trend" is the first 7-8 games where they shit the bed...thats the trend?

Losses to MIN, NSH, DAL (OT), STL, STL, WPG, first 7 games of the season, since then,

W - STL
L - WPG (OT)
L - ARZ (OT)
L - ANA (OT)
L - CGY
W - EDM
L - VAN
W - DAL
W - MIN
L - VGS
W - VAN (SO)
L - NSH
W - SEA
L - SJ
L - COL
L - EDM

16 games, 6-7-3, so total, 24 games, 7-13-4

Holy shit that's disturbing..... no it is, seriously, no really, it's like the regular season only counts vs Western teams....

Tell me, if they go 25-3 against the East, and 14-18 vs the West.....are we having this discussion?

f*** man, if that's your ALARMING TREND, I tend to think we will be f***ing fine the rest of the way...
 

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