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If you are trading a 2d round pick, Sundqvist and Walman and not keeping Leddy, and then letting Krug who is clearly the lesser player go back into that spot, you are moving backward as an organization.

Chychrun, Sanheim and Mayfield all in the same sentence is strange. You've got 1st, 2d and 3d pairing guys all muddled in as if it's the same option. That is not having any vision for the defense. You have to first think about the attributes these players bring in a playoff situation specifically against Colorado.
Blues traded the 2nd and Sunny for a rental and capspace going into next year. Leddy may have played himself into a contract. But look at the other rentals like Chiarot and us only giving a 2nd, a Sunny who was battling through injuries, and a depth defenseman isn't a horrendous deal.

All three of those players are top 4 defensemen. Mayfield was added as a secondary defensive RH after Colt, and Sanheim and Chychrun are both high end top 4 LHD. All of these players also have good transition game as well.
 
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Blues traded the 2nd and Sunny for a rental and capspace going into next year. Leddy may have played himself into a contract. But look at the other rentals like Chiarot and us only giving a 2nd, a Sunny who was battling through injuries, and a depth defenseman isn't a horrendous deal.

All three of those players are top 4 defensemen. Mayfield was added as a secondary defensive RH after Colt, and Sanheim and Chychrun are both high end top 4 LHD. All of these players also have good transition game as well.
Scott Mayfield is a 4-6 defenseman at best. I am not impressed with him.

The Blues need a defender capable of being the top defender on the team. Chychrun's risk is health but he can absolutely be that defender if his injuries haven't degraded him. Sanheim is not going to be the best defender on the Blues if they acquire him, that's the difference in vision.
 

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That's a shame if true because without his cap space I don't believe they can catch up to Colorado
They’re going to have to find a 2C to fill Kadri’s role next season, still have a hole at 3C, and need to re-sign Kuemper.

Also disagree regarding Krug vs Leddy. Krug’s offensive contributions make up for his limitations on D while Leddy’s worse offensively and marginally better on D.
 

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They’re going to have to find a 2C to fill Kadri’s role next season, still have a hole at 3C, and need to re-sign Kuemper.

Also disagree regarding Krug vs Leddy. Krug’s offensive contributions make up for his limitations on D while Leddy’s worse offensively and marginally better on D.
We watched Leddy against Kaprizov and Leddy against MacKinnon and for the most part that went well. There is no world where Krug could do it, and that's more important for getting past Colorado next year. My evidence for this is that the Blues PP hummed right along without Krug, but when Krug had to defend Colorado last year he was overmatched and overpowered.

Also as Blues fans let's not get too excited about what Colorado might have to find on the market to replace players. They, like the Blues, are in a bit of a sweet spot where the team is attractive to quality players chasing Cups and they will get replenished by quality parts, we should assume until we see otherwise.
 
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That's literally my point. Parayko isn't a #1. We all knew that three years ago. Faulk isn't really a #2 either, since he couldn't stop Nazem f***ing Kadri from running roughshod over us. However, Parayko did his job, while Faulk didn't do his. Parayko held Mackinnon and the rest of that first line to one good game out of six. It was the depth of the Avs that beat us, not the top of the roster. Faulk was in charge of the players after Mac/Rantanen/Landeskog, and he didn't do his job nearly as well as Parayko did his. Could you imagine him trying to defend against the other team's best? Yikes.

Hence why I brought up AP again - or really any #1 guy that you could pair with someone who's decent but not a world beater (Gunnarsson, Edmondson, etc for recent internal examples) - you don't want that guy paired with Parayko though. Let Parayko sit on the second pairing and be the shut down guy like Trouba, Toews, and McDonough are for their respective teams. Krug is also an issue, since we have a clear and obvious replacement for him in Peru at a fraction of the cost - yet we cannot sustain having both on the roster at the same time.

Parayko at 6.5M on the second pair is exactly where he should be. Faulk at 6.5M on the second pair is an overpay, b/c he can't handle the second line of the Avs, as we just saw. Krug at 6.5 on the second pair is an overpay, because we have a guy who can do 80% of what he can do for 1/6 of the price. Hence why we're in this bind and have really no clear path forward, unless we can magically convince Krug to waive his NTC for Arizona and get Chykrun (sp) in return. (Or some other LD of his caliber and his price point - which really doesn't exist lol)
I think you are dramatically overstating Faulk's shortcomings against Colorado and dramatically underestimating Colorado's depth behind MacKinnon. I agree with a lot of your points on overall roster construction and the idea that we don't have a Cup-caliber #1 D man (which is probably a term that could be interchangeable with top 15 NHL D man). But the gap in performance between Faulk/Parayko was minimal and there is a pretty damn good argument that Faulk had a better series.

Kadri had 87 points in 71 games this season and 58 of those were at even strength. Both of those totals were top 25 league wide, which is pretty damn impressive since he missed 11 games. He played at a 100 point pace this year. He ran roughshod over everyone all year, so you can't act like every #2 D man should completely contain him every night. Kadri had a better season than the best player for about half the teams in the league. Kadri and MacKinnon each had 7 points in 6 games against the Blues, so this idea that Parayko did his job against Mac but Faulk was a failure at his job isn't accurate. If Parayko "contained" Mac in all but one night (his 4 point effort) then Faulk did the same against Kadri (who had his own 4 point night). Kadri was kept off the scoresheet in 3 of the 6 games.

Mac is a better player than Kadri, but let's not pretend like Parayko didn't have more support to shut down Mac and the top line than Faulk had to shut down Kadri and the 2nd line. First and foremost, we matched Mac's line with #90 the entire series. Whether it was with Saad or Buch on the LW, that line was our best defensive line by a massive margin. Parayko also wasn't asked to drag around a non-NHL caliber partner the way Faulk was. Parayko played 72 minutes with Leddy, 25 minutes with Mikkola and then spot-shifts with everyone else. Faulk got 40 minutes with Leddy, 33 minutes with Rosen, 21 minutes with Mikkola and then spot-shifts with everyone else. Rosen had a fantastic series given the expectations of him as a player. But he also just signed a league minimum 2 year, 2 way contract as a soon-to-be UFA. He's not remotely the same caliber player as Leddy or even MIkkola.

Faulk had a positive goal differential when paired with Leddy and Mikkola (+2 with Leddy and even with MIkkola), but finished -2 in the series because he was a combined -4 with Rosen and Perunovich.

Faulk absolutely did his job when he had a legitimate NHL-level partner. He couldn't do it when he was trying to shut down a top 5 2nd line with an AHL partner. That is not evidence that Krug-Faulk isn't a good enough 2nd pair. Krug/Faulk were excellent together this year. I still don't like the Krug contract. I still don't like the decision to let Petro walk. But Faulk wasn't the problem and Perunovich's massive defensive issues in these playoffs should have made it clear that he can't do 80% of what Krug does.

Edit: I hope that this didn't come across as dismissive of Parayko. I think that the Parayko/Faulk one-two punch did its job in this series. They played 50:35 a night against a top 5 team in the league and largely contained a damn good offense. Our #4 D man playing less than 15 minutes a night was a much bigger issue and that was 100% because we sustained injuries to 2 of our 3 every day LHD. We had $9.775M of LHD cap hits on the sideline for 4 of the 6 games and Scandella was very clearly not 100% when he returned. That's not a side effect of Faulk/Parayko combining for too much money and is just unfortunate injury luck. I think Faulk/Parayko (and Leddy) did a great job handling an enormous amount of responsibility. Both of them were utilized like stud #1s because the rest of the group got so thinned.
 
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This is going to be a really interesting summer. Despite only having a few notable free agents, it really feels like we have to make a massive decision regarding the direction of this franchise. With ROR, Tarasenko, Kyrou, Thomas, and Barby's contracts all expiring next summer, we are rapidly approaching a time when we are absolutely going to lose a couple guys once considered part of the core.

So what do we do this summer? We have a few options.

Option #1: Take another full kick at the can in 2022/23 with this group. You don't have to spend a bunch of assets to gut the future, but you commit to taking a chance that a couple guys walk next summer in order to maximize your chance of success in the upcoming season. Bring back the same "death by a thousand cuts" top 9, tweak the D, and replace Husso with a cheaper option if he demands tandem money. This option makes sense if the organization is sitting here thinking "we beat Colorado in 6 or 7 games if Binner and Krug are in the lineup." If we go down this route, I re-sign Perron, work to extend ROR now, and then explore every avenue to bolster the LD (some combo of extending Leddy, moving Scandella, and/or acquiring a different top 4 LHD). I accept that Tarasenko and Barby walk in the summer of 2023, but elect not to cash in their value now in order to maximize chances in 2022/23.

Option #2: Take another full kick at the can in 2022/23, but make a couple hockey trades to change the dynamic and breakdown of talent. Move Tarasenko/Barby before they can walk as UFAs, but either trade them for NHL talent or for futures that are flipped for NHL talent at LD. Re-sign and work to extend Perron and ROR. Hope that one of Neighbours/Bolduc are ready/able to provide decent play as a complimentary 3rd line player and accept that the offense won't be as potent (but that the team will be much better at preventing/limiting chances). This option makes sense if we think that we were close to Colorado, but believe that we lose that series 75% or so of the time even when healthy.

Option 3: One step back to take 2 steps forward. Make decisions on all the 2023 free agents now and trade all the guys who don't fit into our long term plans. Create as much future cap flexibility as you can, stockpile assets and focus on being true contenders in 2023/24. This option makes sense if an ROR extension isn't in the cards. I think it is the least likely of all the options. Given the locked-in core, we would still be a likely-playoff team, but a step below where we were at this year. There would be potential to miss the playoffs like there we did in 2017/18.

There is obviously potential for overlap between the options, but those are the 3 likely 'directions' I see the team going in. I'm excited for the summer. Army has a lot of options and he generally does a good job of doing his business quietly. I think he can explore multiple avenues to improve the team. He should be able to really explore the market for every guy on our team that could potentially be moved, because he has the leverage to just walk away from negotiations if he is getting low-balled. There really isn't any player on our roster that teams just know we're dying to move and other than the guys with full trade protection, there aren't a whole lot of guys who are truly untouchable.

Step 1 for me is to work on an extension for ROR. He was a monster in the playoffs and is the best player on the roster. If he can be retained with a contract near his market value (which will hurt), then we should extend him. If not, then you have a long think about which direction you want to take the organization in. For me, a decision on ROR is the domino that sets off the other decisions. I don't know that you have to actually have a signed extension before you make any other moves, but you at least have to be in the ballpark and feel confident that you can get it done.
 
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I'd take D. Toews, Sergachev, McDonaugh, and Trouba over Faulk any day. Again - for the role we need from them.

The only thing Devon Toews has proven is that he can be an excellent top pairing defenseman. He hasn't shown any ability to be THE main guy on a top pairing. He hit the jackpot getting traded to Colorado and getting paired with the most offensively talented defenseman we may have ever seen (Makar). Couple that with an opportunity to play on a powerhouse team that Joe Sakic has been constructing very carefully for years, and you have a guy whose PPG rises rapidly from 0.41 in his last season in NYI to 0.86 this season. Any defensemen getting placed into that situation is going to look good by circumstance. In a vacuum, Toews is an excellent defensemen with above-average offensive ability and very good defensive ability. Justin Faulk is also an excellent defensemen with above average defensive ability and very good offensive ability. If you were to trade them 1 for 1, and put Toews next to Parayko, then you might have the best shutdown pairing in the league, but you'd be lacking A LOT of offensive punch that Faulk provides that Toews simply cannot.
 
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I am never a fan of statement like "a team will NEVER win a Cup with x player" because there isn't one magic formula to winning a Cup. When Pittsburgh won their last Cup, their D corps wasn't even league average on paper but they played as a team and got the job done. Washington didn't have big names outside of Carlson, who isn't even that great defensively. So it's not like a team HAS to have a certain arrangement on defense to win a Cup. Heck, I don't think Colorado's defense is any better than ours when healthy. But losing your #1 puck mover would hurt any team in the league and so much pressure was put on Faulk, Parayko and Leddy (when available), that of course they would get exposed from time to time.

I can't figure out how anyone could be critical of Faulk after the season he just had. It's unrealistic to act like Faulk is supposed to stop Kadri on his own, defense is a team issue. Parayko didn't shut down MacKinnon alone, it was a team effort. If the team had been healthy and played to our potential, then we would have given Colorado a run for their money but unfortunately that didn't happen. Sometimes you just have to give credit to the other team and admit you got beat.

You're allowed to have your opinion, but I guarantee Armstrong, Blues teammates and people within the hockey world do not consider Faulk and Krug as "overpaid 3s." Krug is a team leader, heart and soul guy and they aren't trading him any time soon. Many fans seem obsessed with finding that perfect 1D, but it seems like most of these guys are drafted by their franchise or are seriously overpriced, either via trade or UFA.

I agree with this entirely. There's also no evidence that you can't win with a strong committee approach. Since Krug can't be traded, the team really needs to move Perunovich this summer. If I'm DA, I'm calling Arizona with Perunovich+1st rounder+Neighbors/Scandella/Barbashev for Chychrun and then making some attempt to resign Leddy. I'm confident walking into a series against Colorado with..

Chychrun Parayko
Leddy Faulk
Krug Bortuzzo
Mikkola

Binnington
Lindgren
 
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We watched Leddy against Kaprizov and Leddy against MacKinnon and for the most part that went well. There is no world where Krug could do it, and that's more important for getting past Colorado next year. My evidence for this is that the Blues PP hummed right along without Krug, but when Krug had to defend Colorado last year he was overmatched and overpowered.

Also as Blues fans let's not get too excited about what Colorado might have to find on the market to replace players. They, like the Blues, are in a bit of a sweet spot where the team is attractive to quality players chasing Cups and they will get replenished by quality parts, we should assume until we see otherwise.
I don't think Krug is as good as a defender of Leddy, but I think the Blues missed him on entries (especially when Husso was playing). I also don't think using last year as an example for anyone on the team in terms of performance is fair either given that the Blues were literally playing defensemen who were 11th and 12th in the organizational depth chart (Santini/Reinke) for multiple games in the POs.

Yes, I think Krug is easy to replace with Perunovich long term, but until Perunovich can show he can at least be Krug defensively AND come within 90% of what Krug can do on offense, there's no point in trying to replace him. I think Krug's doing exactly what he was brought in to do. I think Krug's shortcomings can be covered by bringing in a legit long-term solution to the top 4. Leddy was a band-aid who was fine, but ideally, you don't want him playing top 4 minutes.

To beat the Avs, I still think an upgrade needs to be made regarding forwards (aside from the aforementioned D). Barbashev is unlikely to replicate his performance this season and did virtually nothing in the POs.

Regarding the comment with the cap, it's a legit factor with regards to roster construction. Yes, bringing a guy like Malkin in would be helpful, but I don't think they can find anyone to replicate Kadri's production in FA this season (unless they somehow brought Bergeron in) and they still have a huge gap at 3C. They're going to have to let one of Kuemper or Kadri walk and be unable to keep both while also bring an older band-aid in.
 

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I'd also like to keep Husso, but don't think the $ that he can get on the market would make sense for the Blues.

I'd bring someone to compete with Lindgren on a 1 year deal (1 way) due to the goalie backlog that Springfield's going to have next season and let Hofer get another season of playing time before being a mainstay on the roster for 2023-2024 and onward.
 

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I disagree. Cap can be manipulated. And there's good players with lower cap hit as well that we can target. Sanheim is below 5mil, Mayfield is below 2mil, Chychrun is below 5mil. Barbashev and Scandella combined are more than all of those players.

Then add in next season Avs are going to be trying to resign Mackinnon, their Starter is a UFA this season. They are going to start slowing down as well.
For the MacKinnon sweepstakes, they'll use some of the Erik Johnson money that would be dropping off the books with his contract up next summer. Over half their team this year are UFA's too so they will likely be a very different team next year even.

To the point of Krug, I don't think he is moved at all at least until his NTC is up. I would honestly bet Perunovich is used as a trade chip as part of a deal before then.
 
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I don't think Krug is as good as a defender of Leddy, but I think the Blues missed him on entries (especially when Husso was playing). I also don't think using last year as an example for anyone on the team in terms of performance is fair either given that the Blues were literally playing defensemen who were 11th and 12th in the organizational depth chart (Santini/Reinke) for multiple games in the POs.

Yes, I think Krug is easy to replace with Perunovich long term, but until Perunovich can show he can at least be Krug defensively AND come within 90% of what Krug can do on offense, there's no point in trying to replace him. I think Krug's doing exactly what he was brought in to do. I think Krug's shortcomings can be covered by bringing in a legit long-term solution to the top 4. Leddy was a band-aid who was fine, but ideally, you don't want him playing top 4 minutes.

To beat the Avs, I still think an upgrade needs to be made regarding forwards (aside from the aforementioned D). Barbashev is unlikely to replicate his performance this season and did virtually nothing in the POs.

Regarding the comment with the cap, it's a legit factor with regards to roster construction. Yes, bringing a guy like Malkin in would be helpful, but I don't think they can find anyone to replicate Kadri's production in FA this season (unless they somehow brought Bergeron in) and they still have a huge gap at 3C. They're going to have to let one of Kuemper or Kadri walk and be unable to keep both while also bring an older band-aid in.

Not to be nit-picky, but Nick Leddy is absolutely a top 4 D man. Ideally, he'd be the number 4 guy playing on your second-pairing. What you're saying is that he's a bottom pairing defenseman, and I absolutely do not agree with that.
 

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Not to be nit-picky, but Nick Leddy is absolutely a top 4 D man. Ideally, he'd be the number 4 guy playing on your second-pairing. What you're saying is that he's a bottom pairing defenseman, and I absolutely do not agree with that.
I'm saying with how the roster is constructed you need someone better than Leddy in the top 4, thus pushing him to bottom pair given that Krug would need to be with Faulk or Parayko to cover up for his limitations on defense and move on from Scandella.

I do not think running a top 4 with Leddy/Krug/Parayko/Faulk is a good idea because of Krug's limitations.

I like the 4 players individually-I do not like Krug AND Leddy composing a top 4 over the course of a season and I view Krug to be so good at what he does that's it worth taking on his limitations.
 

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Leddy was a band-aid who was fine, but ideally, you don't want him playing top 4 minutes.
Leddy was more than fine with top 4 minutes. If you don't want Leddy playing top 4 minutes then you have extremely high standards and you would absolutely under those same conditions never want to see Krug getting top 4 minutes either.

Between "Krug is too slow to play against Colorado" and "Santini and Reinke seeing ice time made him look slow" I am pretty sure I know which one is the stronger argument.

Nick Leddy is superior to Torey Krug as a player who will help the Blues get past Colorado, full stop.
 

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Leddy was more than fine with top 4 minutes. If you don't want Leddy playing top 4 minutes then you have extremely high standards and you would absolutely under those same conditions never want to see Krug getting top 4 minutes either.

Between "Krug is too slow to play against Colorado" and "Santini and Reinke seeing ice time made him look slow" I am pretty sure I know which one is the stronger argument.

Nick Leddy is superior to Torey Krug as a player who will help the Blues get past Colorado, full stop.
Read my above response.

My issue isn't with Leddy as much so that his play doesn't augment or cover Krug's limitations defensively. Leddy is better defensively, but he's not nearly as gifted as Krug is offensively. I also didn't say Reinke and Santini looked made Krug look slow-I'm saying it's unfair to really evaluate anyone in that series given the situation on defense where not only were Santini and Reinke playing, but Scandella was playing RD along with Faulk being out and Parayko not at 100%.

If you recall, ROR was getting eaten alive vs MacKinnon last year and Binnington posted a sub 900 save %. From what I remember, ROR did look slower but was still playing better than any Blues forward and Binnington was doing his best given the circumstances and was fine 3 of the 4 games.

We can agree to disagree-I like Krug and believe he offers value to the Blues that can't be easily replaced in terms of production until Perunovich or someone else is capable of QBing the PP. Perunovich ran it fine, but Berube had to role out 7 D as a result.

Leddy doesn't move the needle in the top 4 as long as Krug is in the top 4 and I would be shocked if Krug is going anywhere any time soon.
 

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I'm saying with how the roster is constructed you need someone better than Leddy in the top 4, thus pushing him to bottom pair given that Krug would need to be with Faulk or Parayko to cover up for his limitations on defense and move on from Scandella.

I do not think running a top 4 with Leddy/Krug/Parayko/Faulk is a good idea because of Krug's limitations.

I like the 4 players individually-I do not like Krug AND Leddy composing a top 4 over the course of a season and I view Krug to be so good at what he does that's it worth taking on his limitations.

Leddy is a fine top 4 D man, as he shown this season and in prior seasons with the Islanders. The problem here is Krug in the top 4. His powerplay ability is remarkable, but his 5 on 5 play needs improvement (the same applies to Perunovich). Ideally, I'd like to see a top 4 of Chychrun/Sanheim, Parayko, Faulk, and Leddy with Krug and Bortuzzo on the bottom pairing. That way Krug can still run the powerplay but not get the difficult matchups during even-strength.
 

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Leddy is a fine top 4 D man, as he shown this season and in prior seasons with the Islanders. The problem here is Krug in the top 4. His powerplay ability is remarkable, but his 5 on 5 play needs improvement (the same applies to Perunovich). Ideally, I'd like to see a top 4 of Chychrun/Sanheim, Parayko, Faulk, and Leddy with Krug and Bortuzzo on the bottom pairing. That way Krug can still run the powerplay but not get the difficult matchups during even-strength.
I think by playing Krug 3D you're taking away his biggest asset, though, which is his offense, unless you're rolling out Krug/Bortuzzo with heavy ozone starts at even strength with the top 2 forward lines out there as well.

But the D's play wasn't even really the problem vs Colorado to begin with-it was Colorado dominating possession and 1/3 of the top 9 not showing up consistently. I was very pleased with Faulk's play and Parayko's(for the majority of the POs) and feel fine with them composing a half of the top 4. I thought Leddy played well and his absence was noticed vs Minnesota.

I do think, though, that something needs to be done on D and keeping Krug/Scandella/Bortuzzo while bringing only Leddy back would be underwhelming.
 
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I think by playing Krug 3D you're taking away his biggest asset, though, which is his offense, unless you're rolling out Krug/Bortuzzo with heavy ozone starts at even strength with the top 2 forward lines out there as well.

But the D's play wasn't even really the problem vs Colorado to begin with-it was Colorado dominating possession and 1/3 of the top 9 not showing up consistently. I was very pleased with Faulk's play and Parayko's(for the majority of the POs) and feel fine with them composing a half of the top 4. I thought Leddy played well and his absence was noticed vs Minnesota.

I do think, though, that something needs to be done on D and keeping Krug/Scandella/Bortuzzo while bringing only Leddy back would be underwhelming.
The defense was a huge problem against Colorado. Their "full court press" type of forechecking was designed to create havoc and turnovers against our defensemen who had lots of difficulty breaking the puck out of the zone. The team spent half of the game hemmed in its own zone with icing after icing or terrible transition passes up to the neutral zone. As a result, our forwards spent more time playing defense rather than offense. This all starts with the defense.
 

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The defense was a huge problem against Colorado. Their "full court press" type of forechecking was designed to create havoc and turnovers against our defensemen who had lots of difficulty breaking the puck out of the zone. The team spent half of the game hemmed in its own zone with icing after icing or terrible transition passes up to the neutral zone. As a result, our forwards spent more time playing defense rather than offense.
That was in part due to Mikkola and Rosen being forced to play in roles they shouldn't be playing in along with having to shelter Perunovich. Given the circumstances, I wasn't upset with the D's play and really liked how Faulk, Leddy, and Parayko (most of the time) played.
 
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That was in part due to Mikkola and Rosen being forced to play in roles they shouldn't be playing in along with having to shelter Perunovich. Given the circumstances, I wasn't upset with the D's play and really liked how Faulk, Leddy, and Parayko (most of the time) played.

You're right. That did happen a lot with Mikkola and Rosen, which is why I don't want them in the top 6, but that also happened a lot last year with Krug. If I were the GM, I wouldn't have signed Krug because it does make us a worse 5 on 5 team against elite teams like Colorado. It's the same reason Perunovich wasn't playing the final game of the series. If it weren't for the trade clause, I'd trade both them in the off season.
 

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You're right. That did happen a lot with Mikkola and Rosen, which is why I don't want them in the top 6, but that also happened a lot last year with Krug. If I were the GM, I wouldn't have signed Krug because it does make us a worse 5 on 5 team against elite teams like Colorado. It's the same reason Perunovich wasn't playing the final game of the series. If it weren't for the trade clause, I'd trade both them in the off season.
But that's the sword Armstrong had to fall on when letting Pietrangelo walk. Krug wasn't brought in to replace Pietrangelo defensively, but to help with replacing him on offense.

If the argument is why do that and not give Dunn an actual chance and see if he could put up anything close to Krug's production, I don't have an answer for you other than Dunn hasn't shown he can produce at a level close to Krug consistently.

Krug was arguably (at the time) the next best D available in UFA and I don't know who you sign to replace the hole that Pietrangelo left.

I think right now Scandella's contract might be more troublesome than Krug's with regards to making any meaningful upgrades on D and I like Scandella, just not the # he's getting paid for the role he should be in.
 

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But that's the sword Armstrong had to fall on when letting Pietrangelo walk. Krug wasn't brought in to replace Pietrangelo defensively, but to help with replacing him on offense.

If the argument is why do that and not give Dunn an actual chance and see if he could put up anything close to Krug's production, I don't have an answer for you other than Dunn hasn't shown he can produce at a level close to Krug consistently.

Krug was arguably (at the time) the next best D available in UFA and I don't know who you sign to replace the hole that Pietrangelo left.

Faulk was brought in to replace Pietrangelo seeing how they play the same position. Krug was another guy touted by the Boston media to be better than he was (surprise surprise). On the more optimistic side, Krug did play well in Boston and wasn't a total pushover in the cup finals. My hope would be to have that same impression, but ideally on the 3rd pairing with Bortuzzo.
 

Louie the Blue

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Faulk was brought in to replace Pietrangelo seeing how they play the same position. Krug was another guy touted by the Boston media to be better than he was (surprise surprise). On the more optimistic side, Krug did play well in Boston and wasn't a total pushover in the cup finals. My hope would be to have that same impression, but ideally on the 3rd pairing with Bortuzzo.
I genuinely don't believe Faulk was brought in to replace Pietrangelo, specifically because of how he was utilized his first season in St. Louis as well the trade and extension being done before COVID/frozen cap.

Faulk was used as a LD with Petro, replacing Edmundson as Petro's partner, IIRC, initially and struggled his first season in STL before switching back to RD in 2020-2021.

I think Krug's been worth his contract (so far) and don't really have any concerns with him if the opening in the top 4 is filled correctly or he has a good partner. I don't think Bortuzzo would be a good partner.
 

HighNote

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I think it's pretty clear what we need to do this offseason, the problem is that it's much easier said than done. The way I see it, the #1 priority this offseason (as others have said) is adding a #1/#2 LHD that can play solid defense. Everything else is secondary.

Here is what I see:

Perron - O'Reilly - Kyrou
Buchnevich - Thomas - Tarasenko
Saad - Schenn - X
X - Joshua - Toropchenko

X - Faulk
Leddy - Parayko
Krug - Bortuzzo

Binnington
X

The forward core does not need a whole lot changed (honestly, the entire team doesn't need much changed). I really like the way we've constructed the top 9 especially. You've got a really good mixture of different playstyles. Each player brings something different to the table. Perron and Tarasenko are elite scorers, O'Reilly and Buchnevich are great two-way players, Kyrou and Thomas have great speed and passing, Schenn isn't elite at anything, but solid at just about everything. He reminds me a lot of Steen in the sense that Steen could play in just about any role you wanted him to. Saad is what he is, but he's a solid depth piece. The whole top 9 showed some really good chemistry this year and I'd hate to disrupt that too much. However, I do believe that Barbashev should be traded. That should be the biggest change we do to the forward group.

I like Barbashev, but I think now is too good of a time to trade him. His value has never been higher, and he's due for a raise at the same time that Thomas, Kyrou, O'Reilly and Tarasenko's contracts are up. Of those players, Barbashev is the clear option to move on from. On top of that, we have Toropchenko who is projecting to be a solid 3rd line option and for much cheaper. So we already have an internal replacement. We've also got Neighbours knocking on the door. So there are cheaper and younger players that can immediately fill in on that 3rd line. It just makes too much sense to get as much as you can in return for Barbashev. You can then turn around and use those newly gained assets to improve your defense.

Husso we just can't afford. We'll need to replace him with a cheaper backup. That's probably the easiest decision. Even just going with Lindgren might be fine. Hate to see him go, but we simply can't keep him while paying Binnington 6M.

Now the defense will be tricky. Krug is the guy that makes everything kinda difficult. I like Krug as a player, but when you take into account contracts, needs, and the playstyles of other defenseman, it's clear that he's a square peg and our defense is a round hole. He could certainly work here, and it's not like his presence makes the team worse, not at all. It's just not efficient. Ideally, Krug is the type of player that you shelter at 5v5 on the 3rd pairing and give lots of PP/offensive zone time to. 6.5 million is way to much money to allocate towards that role. I'd much rather have a player with a similar playstyle that is worse, but costs way less. That guy is Perunovich. That way you could take that extra 4-5 million and put it towards a LHD that greatly improves our team on the defensive side of things. I think this defense looks a lot sexier and more cost-effective, although pretty much impossible right now:

X (6.5m) - Faulk (6.5m)
Leddy (3.5-4m?) - Parayko (6.5m)
Perunovich (1m) - Bortuzzo (950k)

With X being a #2 defensive defenseman.

Unfortunately, I think we're stuck with Krug and his 6.5M cap hit for the foreseeable future. Then there's Scandella who would almost certainly have to be traded in any kind of scenario where we're getting player X (unless Leddy wants to sign elsewhere or he's asking for too much). Regardless, the defense is out of sorts right now, and I think Army knows that. I trust him though, so let's see what he does this off-season. I will say that we have to be trying to win now, so any move that makes us a better team short term without completely clearing our future/prospect cupboard is a good move in my mind. It might sting seeing one of our top prospects go, but it might have to happen.

This is a big offseason for DA.
 
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