2020 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread II

[Peen]

I got bored and fiddled with being fantasy GM for a second.

I've always been curious about Pietrangelo and the chance of signing a player like that. I alluded to it in September -> 2019 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread VI

The way we'd have to decimate our assets to dump bad contracts is wow.

Eriksson, Virtanen and a 2nd to Ottawa for a 7th.
Rafferty and Baertschi to NJ for a 7th.
Demko and Beagle to Detroit for a 7th.
Benn and a 5th to Buffalo for a 7th.
Buyout Sutter.

FWIW, I feel like those are underpayments too.

Miller 5.25 - Pettersson 925k - Toffoli 5.25
Pearson 3.75 - Horvat 5.5 - Boeser 5.875
Roussel 3 - Gaudette 2 - Macewen 1
Motte 1.25 - Free Agent 700k - Leivo 1.5
Ferland 3.5 / Free Agent 700k

Hughes 917k - Pietrangelo 10
Edler 6 - Stecher 2.75
Rathbone 925k - Myers 6
Fantenberg 850k

Markstrom 5.75
Backup 2

$127.00 in cap space.

Down a 1st, two 2nds, 4th (re-sign toffoli), and a 5th. Gained a bunch of 7ths though.

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

I got bored and fiddled with being fantasy GM for a second.

I've always been curious about Pietrangelo and the chance of signing a player like that. I alluded to it in September -> 2019 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread VI

The way we'd have to decimate our assets to dump bad contracts is wow.

Eriksson, Virtanen and a 2nd to Ottawa for a 7th.
Rafferty and Baertschi to NJ for a 7th.
Demko and Beagle to Detroit for a 7th.
Benn and a 5th to Buffalo for a 7th.
Buyout Sutter.

FWIW, I feel like those are underpayments too.

Miller 5.25 - Pettersson 925k - Toffoli 5.25
Pearson 3.75 - Horvat 5.5 - Boeser 5.875
Roussel 3 - Gaudette 2 - Macewen 1
Motte 1.25 - Free Agent 700k - Leivo 1.5
Ferland 3.5 / Free Agent 700k

Hughes 917k - Pietrangelo 10
Edler 6 - Stecher 2.75
Rathbone 925k - Myers 6
Fantenberg 850k

Markstrom 5.75
Backup 2

$127.00 in cap space.

Down a 1st, two 2nds, 4th (re-sign toffoli), and a 5th. Gained a bunch of 7ths though.

i don’t like Pietrangelo at 10 million a season, what kind of term is this, the guy is 30 years old. I think if you were to package a 1st, 2 2nds, a 4th and 5th, Demko, Rafferty and Virtanen you can get a tidy little defenseman RFA in his early 20s. I get you wanna shed some salary but those guys are gone in less than 2 years including Seattle scooping one of them up

 

[JanBulisPiggyBack]

i don’t like Pietrangelo at 10 million a season, what kind of term is this, the guy is 30 years old. I think if you were to package a 1st, 2 2nds, a 4th and 5th, Demko, Rafferty and Virtanen you can get a tidy little defenseman RFA in his early 20s. I get you wanna shed some salary but those guys are gone in less than 2 years including Seattle scooping one of them up

Next year should look like the same team.

Sutter and Pearson will be off the books
the next season Erickson, Roussel, Edler, Beagle
Ferlund could go at any time

Petey gets Sutter and Pearson’s money
Hughes Gets LE, Roussels
Edler should retire or sign a 1 year contract re-upped at his current salary
Beagle is replaced

We just need to stop spending so much on the bottom six to pay the next round of stars the money their due.

 

[Peen]

i don’t like Pietrangelo at 10 million a season, what kind of term is this, the guy is 30 years old. I think if you were to package a 1st, 2 2nds, a 4th and 5th, Demko, Rafferty and Virtanen you can get a tidy little defenseman RFA in his early 20s. I get you wanna shed some salary but those guys are gone in less than 2 years including Seattle scooping one of them up

Just to clarify, we are already down the 1st from the Miller trade, and one of the seconds and the 4th from the Toffoli trade.

The only new picks I traded were a 2nd and a 5th. Rafferty, Demko, Virtanen, a 2nd, and a 5th isn't really some wow package for an rfa.

 

[dbaz]

the time to go all in on the dman is after hughes and pettersson are extended. dont make the mistake toronto did and get a big fish before paying your younger guys

 

[Diamonddog01]

Just to clarify, we are already down the 1st from the Miller trade, and one of the seconds and the 4th from the Toffoli trade.

The only new picks I traded were a 2nd and a 5th. Rafferty, Demko, Virtanen, a 2nd, and a 5th isn't really some wow package for an rfa.

Although I agree a #1 RD to complement Hughes is a huge missing piece signing Alex Pietrangelo to that contract would be insane given his age and the current economic uncertainty. Additionally you aren't really factoring in the following offseason when we need to sign both Hughes and Petterson. You would have about 13M coming off the books but you need to re-sign our two stars, plus replace Edler and Pearson.

Let's say you replace Pearson with Podkolzin...then you have 12M remaining to sign Petterson and Hughes? Not going to work.

 

[Hoghandler]

This poster is arguing that trading Virtanen for draft picks is totally not a cap-related move at all, but a totally logical hockey move dictated by the team's depth chart. Which is obviously BS.

That’s another straw-man.

I explicitly stated one of the reasons they should look to deal Virtanen is there is a player that can fill that role for around half the price in Josh Leivo. A player the head coach seemingly prefers to Virtanen.

The salary cap is a factor in every single personnel decision a club makes. Locking in another $3mil, bottom 6 forward isn’t something this team needs to do with Leivo and MacEwen in the mix, and Podkolzin a year away.

If Jake Virtanen isn’t even a top 9 forward for this club when the playoffs roll around, I don’t know how one could pretend the depth chart isn’t a factor. Gonna be interesting to see where he ends up.

 

[vanuck]

While I like the idea of using Demko to rid ourselves of Eriksson why in the world would we put Sutter and Baertschi in the top 6? Highly doubt we'd be getting much for them even if we were to gift them such an opportunity to inflate their numbers...and that roster would definitely sink our playoff chances next season. I don't see any value to doing that to get an 4th round pick or whatever. Bury Sven and Sutter can ride it out on the 4th line (at least until he gets injured again). If we move Eriksson (which I highly doubt we will, I expect him to be buried at a 4.925M cap hit next year) then the only other move we'd need to make would revolve around Ferland and Roussel. If Ferland can actually play again and is not going on LITR, and if Roussel looks as though he's returned to form, Roussel is one player the team should explore moving. Not sure how challenging that would be but if the team could get rid of 2 contracts that both have 2 years remaining it would be tremendously helpful for the following year.

Miller - Petterson - Boeser
Pearson - Horvat - Toffoli
Ferland / Roussel - Gaudette - Virtanen
Motte - Beagle - Sutter

Estimating the raises for EP and Hughes will take up about 18M total, we'll need a bit more breathing room if we actually want to make improvements for 2021-22. Hence I've already accepted the idea of potentially sucking next season so as to gain a few assets back which we might be able to use on moving Roussel and Beagle in summer of 2021, since they'll only have 1 year left on their deals by then.

IIRC teams were asking for Rafferty as a a sweetener to move out one of our bad contracts. I'd actually do that.

I also realize I forgot about Ferland whose status is a question mark. It's likely that he'll end up being on LTIR on and off again for the next few years, but you never know with head injuries. IMO we're basically stuck with him until his contract runs out.

This team could be poised to make some waves in the next few years, but only if we can actually somehow obtain a better possession-driving 3C and another top 4 LD and RD. Gaudette may be better off on the wing. Edler will need replacing as well by 2021 unless he re-signs for less? He'll be 35 by then... can he still perform at a 2nd pair level? Can Podkolzin slide in and be a solid middle 6 option? Is Rathbone going to turn into a top 4 D-man? Does Tryamkin finally come back from the KHL, and can he at least be a serviceable bottom 4 guy? This team should be okay in terms of scoring, but it's the defensive side of things that need addressing. A lot of question marks right now.

Unless I've missed something, if things work out they should have about 27M in cap space to fill the below positions for 2021-22. This should be workable, especially if our drafting under Weisbrod/Delorme can find some talent in-house or if they can develop some undrafted players like Tanev or MacEwen etc.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Virtanen - Horvat - Gaudette
Leivo - 3C - MacEwen
Ferland - 4C - 4RW

Hughes - 1RD
2LD - Stecher
Rathbone - Myers

Markstrom
2G

 

[Blue and Green]

IIRC teams were asking for Rafferty as a a sweetener to move out one of our bad contracts. I'd actually do that.

If Rafferty doesn't play in another 78 NHL games between now and the end of next season he will qualify as a Group 6 UFA. Don't know if there is any clause for pro-rating games next season if it is shortened-- but even if there is, that's precarious territory.

He probably would've had more trade value before the deadline to a non-playoff team that planned to audition him for the remainder of the regular season, getting some NHL games onto his record and increasing the likelihood that they could hold his rights for two more seasons instead of just one season if he turns out to be a player.

 

[vanuck]

If Rafferty doesn't play in another 78 NHL games between now and the end of next season he will qualify as a Group 6 UFA. Don't know if there is any clause for pro-rating games next season if it is shortened-- but even if there is, that's precarious territory.

He probably would've had more trade value before the deadline to a non-playoff team that planned to audition him for the remainder of the regular season, getting some NHL games onto his record and increasing the likelihood that they could hold his rights for two more seasons instead of just one season if he turns out to be a player.

That makes sense as it would likely be a non-playoff team that'd have the extra cap space to take on one of our bad contracts to begin with.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

Estimating the raises for EP and Hughes will take up about 18M total, we'll need a bit more breathing room if we actually want to make improvements for 2021-22. Hence I've already accepted the idea of potentially sucking next season so as to gain a few assets back which we might be able to use on moving Roussel and Beagle in summer of 2021, since they'll only have 1 year left on their deals by then.

IIRC teams were asking for Rafferty as a a sweetener to move out one of our bad contracts. I'd actually do that.

I also realize I forgot about Ferland whose status is a question mark. It's likely that he'll end up being on LTIR on and off again for the next few years, but you never know with head injuries. IMO we're basically stuck with him until his contract runs out.

This team could be poised to make some waves in the next few years, but only if we can actually somehow obtain a better possession-driving 3C and another top 4 LD and RD. Gaudette may be better off on the wing. Edler will need replacing as well by 2021 unless he re-signs for less? He'll be 35 by then... can he still perform at a 2nd pair level? Can Podkolzin slide in and be a solid middle 6 option? Is Rathbone going to turn into a top 4 D-man? Does Tryamkin finally come back from the KHL, and can he at least be a serviceable bottom 4 guy? This team should be okay in terms of scoring, but it's the defensive side of things that need addressing. A lot of question marks right now.

Unless I've missed something, if things work out they should have about 27M in cap space to fill the below positions for 2021-22. This should be workable, especially if our drafting under Weisbrod/Delorme can find some talent in-house or if they can develop some undrafted players like Tanev or MacEwen etc.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Virtanen - Horvat - Gaudette
Leivo - 3C - MacEwen
Ferland - 4C - 4RW

Hughes - 1RD
2LD - Stecher
Rathbone - Myers

Markstrom
2G

That 2nd line is a bit concerning... rather gaudette as our #3 centre. And really not convinced virtanen is here by that point either. Perhaps Podz and/or Hoglander crack the lineup and you can slot them in on that line.

 

[tyhee]

I got bored and fiddled with being fantasy GM for a second.

I've always been curious about Pietrangelo and the chance of signing a player like that. I alluded to it in September -> 2019 Roster and Fantasy GM Thread VI

The way we'd have to decimate our assets to dump bad contracts is wow.

Eriksson, Virtanen and a 2nd to Ottawa for a 7th.
Rafferty and Baertschi to NJ for a 7th.
Demko and Beagle to Detroit for a 7th.
Benn and a 5th to Buffalo for a 7th.
Buyout Sutter.

FWIW, I feel like those are underpayments too.

Miller 5.25 - Pettersson 925k - Toffoli 5.25
Pearson 3.75 - Horvat 5.5 - Boeser 5.875
Roussel 3 - Gaudette 2 - Macewen 1
Motte 1.25 - Free Agent 700k - Leivo 1.5
Ferland 3.5 / Free Agent 700k

Hughes 917k - Pietrangelo 10
Edler 6 - Stecher 2.75
Rathbone 925k - Myers 6
Fantenberg 850k

Markstrom 5.75
Backup 2

$127.00 in cap space.

Down a 1st, two 2nds, 4th (re-sign toffoli), and a 5th. Gained a bunch of 7ths though.

Am I missing something? I don't see any provision for Luongo's recapture, Spooner's buyout nor performance bonuses for EP40, Hughes or Gaudette deferred from this season nor EP40 nor Hughes next season. It otherwise works with two minimum wage free agents and so little extra room to deal with short term injuries that even if the Canucks had Gilman or another capologist, I'd be doubtful they could make it through a season.

Of course, all of that just goes to emphasize your point that the team is really hooped as far as hoping to improve from external signings or taking on cap in trades next season.

 

[vanuck]

That 2nd line is a bit concerning... rather gaudette as our #3 centre. And really not convinced virtanen is here by that point either. Perhaps Podz and/or Hoglander crack the lineup and you can slot them in on that line.

I'm not sold that Gaudette is a long-term solution as our 3C unless he shows an uptick in his ability to drive play. He's been okay so far but you'd like to see better results. Offensively it seems he seems to be a middle 6 forward, though defensively he has his struggles. Couple that with his shooting mentality and I think he might be better suited as a winger. To me ideally our 3C is someone who doesn't need sheltering and can contribute on the PK too, not just the PP. So I guess we'll see.

 

[Peen]

Am I missing something? I don't see any provision for Luongo's recapture, Spooner's buyout nor performance bonuses for EP40, Hughes or Gaudette deferred from this season nor EP40 nor Hughes next season. It otherwise works with two minimum wage free agents and so little extra room to deal with short term injuries that even if the Canucks had Gilman or another capologist, I'd be doubtful they could make it through a season.

Of course, all of that just goes to emphasize your point that the team is really hooped as far as hoping to improve from external signings or taking on cap in trades next season.

It's all factored in if you add it up.

 

[tyhee]

I'm not sold that Gaudette is a long-term solution as our 3C unless he shows an uptick in his ability to drive play. He's been okay so far but you'd like to see better results. Offensively it seems he seems to be a middle 6 forward, though defensively he has his struggles. Couple that with his shooting mentality and I think he might be better suited as a winger. To me ideally our 3C is someone who doesn't need sheltering and can contribute on the PK too, not just the PP. So I guess we'll see.

I think you've described Gaudette pretty well. There's another way of looking at it, of course.

The real issue isn't whether we're sold on him as a 3C. It is really where the team is right now and what the options are.

In the particular Cap Hell the Canucks are in right now, with Gaudette having at least shown he can play in the league, they have little option but to cross their fingers, slot him in and hope it works out ok. If their hopes and dreams (on Gaudette and others) don't come to pass they have no hope of being good and will just be seeking to tread water until they can make it out of their cap problems with some chance to come out better after that.

When you're in that sort of position, sometimes there is nothing to be done but hold your nose and make it as palatable as possible. If Gaudette is the 3C, then whether or not he develops into a read 3C at least the Canucks will have an NHL player at 3C while they tread water.

Of course, they might hedge their bets by signing a cheap free agent this summer (no more than $1 million per) who can play as a winger or fill in at 3C if necessary, deciding as the season proceeds which position to put Gaudette in.

Sorry not to be more optimistic about the next couple of seasons.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Estimating the raises for EP and Hughes will take up about 18M total, we'll need a bit more breathing room if we actually want to make improvements for 2021-22. Hence I've already accepted the idea of potentially sucking next season so as to gain a few assets back which we might be able to use on moving Roussel and Beagle in summer of 2021, since they'll only have 1 year left on their deals by then.

IIRC teams were asking for Rafferty as a a sweetener to move out one of our bad contracts. I'd actually do that.

I wouldn't mind seeing Rafferty with the team first, but yeah, I am also amenable to using him a sweetener as well. 18M for EP and Hughes sounds reasonable, we'll have to see what effect the pandemic has on contracts but I assume you're thinking 10M for Petterson and 8M for Hughes which sounds about right. I think the team might be able to move Roussel at the end of next season assuming he returns to full form. Beagle we are sadly stuck with unfortunately, and the frustrating thing is that Roussel contract is a better one to buy out that offseason than Beagle's.

This team could be poised to make some waves in the next few years, but only if we can actually somehow obtain a better possession-driving 3C and another top 4 LD and RD. Gaudette may be better off on the wing. Edler will need replacing as well by 2021 unless he re-signs for less? He'll be 35 by then... can he still perform at a 2nd pair level? Can Podkolzin slide in and be a solid middle 6 option? Is Rathbone going to turn into a top 4 D-man? Does Tryamkin finally come back from the KHL, and can he at least be a serviceable bottom 4 guy? This team should be okay in terms of scoring, but it's the defensive side of things that need addressing. A lot of question marks right now.

Completely agree in regards to Gaudette. I'd actually love the team to focus on a shut-down third line C a la Erikkson Ek or Faska as Horvat is getting slaughtered in hard minutes. Which speaks to your point, which I also agree with, that the team needs to improve defensively in order to take another step forward. I do think it will safe to pencil in Podkolzin in a tweener RW or LW role for that year as he'll have been playing for 2 years in arguably the best professional men's league in the world after the NHL and historically KHL players have had a fairly seamless transition to the NHL. Less hopeful for Tryamkin.

Unless I've missed something, if things work out they should have about 27M in cap space to fill the below positions for 2021-22. This should be workable, especially if our drafting under Weisbrod/Delorme can find some talent in-house or if they can develop some undrafted players like Tanev or MacEwen etc.

Miller - Pettersson - Boeser
Virtanen - Horvat - Gaudette
Leivo - 3C - MacEwen
Ferland - 4C - 4RW

Hughes - 1RD
2LD - Stecher
Rathbone - Myers

Markstrom
2G

That's an interesting roster and certainly an adventurous third pairing. Personally am not a fan of Stecher, even less so in a 2nd pairing role, and would be completely fine if the team fails to qualify him a la Hutton this offseason (or moves his rights to a team like Toronto who apparently were interested). May not be a popular opinion but am not a fan. Also if MacEwen ends up permanently taking Virtanen's spot on the 3rd line, and the team were to move Gaudette to RW (or re-sign Toffoli) I could see them trading Jake for a defenceman.

Miller - Petterson - Boeser
Roussel - Horvat - Gaudette
Podkolzin - 3C - MacEwen
Ferland - Beagle - Leivo
Motte

Hughes - Tanev
LD - Myers
Rathbone - RD

Markstrom
Backup

I do think we'll be able to sign Markstrom and 1 one of the other 2 UFA's, I noticed your roster has neither Tanev or Toffoli on it. No interest in a short-term Tanev deal? He is on record saying he'd be ok with a 1 year deal, I think if the team can re-sign him for 3 years or less it would be prudent to do so.

For the Myers pairing I've advocated Brodin in the past, although that ship has sailed with the flat cap. I think the other pairing also needs a sound defensive player, and a guy like Manson (Carlo is ideal but a total pipe dream) would fit nicely.

 

[vanuck]

I wouldn't mind seeing Rafferty with the team first, but yeah, I am also amenable to using him a sweetener as well. 18M for EP and Hughes sounds reasonable, we'll have to see what effect the pandemic has on contracts but I assume you're thinking 10M for Petterson and 8M for Hughes which sounds about right. I think the team might be able to move Roussel at the end of next season assuming he returns to full form. Beagle we are sadly stuck with unfortunately, and the frustrating thing is that Roussel contract is a better one to buy out that offseason than Beagle's.

That's right, I'm assuming EP gets around 10M and Hughes gets 8M. Beagle is tough both because of his age and how outright horrible he's been on the ice, though with 1 year left on his deal by summer of 2021 there's a chance some dinosaur GM might value his intangibles and faceoff ability if we retain salary and add a sweetener - assuming there are still dinosaur GM's in the league with cap space and we throw in a big enough incentive... like a 2nd rounder or something. But I wouldn't be surprised if he can't be traded at all.

That's an interesting roster and certainly an adventurous third pairing. Personally am not a fan of Stecher, even less so in a 2nd pairing role, and would be completely fine if the team fails to qualify him a la Hutton this offseason (or moves his rights to a team like Toronto who apparently were interested). May not be a popular opinion but am not a fan. Also if MacEwen ends up permanently taking Virtanen's spot on the 3rd line, and the team were to move Gaudette to RW (or re-sign Toffoli) I could see them trading Jake for a defenceman.

Miller - Petterson - Boeser
Roussel - Horvat - Gaudette
Podkolzin - 3C - MacEwen
Ferland - Beagle - Leivo
Motte

Hughes - Tanev
LD - Myers
Rathbone - RD

Markstrom
Backup

I do think we'll be able to sign Markstrom and 1 one of the other 2 UFA's, I noticed your roster has neither Tanev or Toffoli on it. No interest in a short-term Tanev deal? He is on record saying he'd be ok with a 1 year deal, I think if the team can re-sign him for 3 years or less it would be prudent to do so.

For the Myers pairing I've advocated Brodin in the past, although that ship has sailed with the flat cap. I think the other pairing also needs a sound defensive player, and a guy like Manson (Carlo is ideal but a total pipe dream) would fit nicely.

To me Stecher is already a capable 2nd pairing D-man who gets overlooked by some because of his size. I've posted about this before but from 2017-18 to 2019-20 the guy compares favorably in Expected Goals relative to teammates, regardless of whether you look at it by xGF% or xG±/60. Offensively he produces at a 2nd pair cohort in 5v5 P/60 as well. Not only that but he's far and away our best PK'er on the back end. Guy's practically elite... look at where he ranks league-wide compared to other top D-men in CA/60, FA/60, GA/60 and xGA/60 while shorthanded. All these stats are from over the past 3 seasons. He basically does everything a 2nd pair D does but without the name recognition. He's actually one of the good additions I have no problem giving Benning credit for, funnily. Plus the fact that he can move the puck, never complains about his ice-time despite undeservedly being stuck on the 3rd pair, competes like a mofo out there and so obviously bleeds blue for this team as a local boy... so personally for me it's hard not to cheer for someone like that.

I do expect Rathbone to be a capable bottom-pair D at the very least (which is more than you can say for Juolevi for instance due to all his question marks), though whether he becomes anything more is anyone's guess.

Markstrom is a definite re-sign and my biggest priority out of the UFAs. Tanev vs. Toffoli is tougher because the former is on the wrong side of 30 and has never played a full season until now while showing some decline in his level of play, while the latter will most likely be looking for a big contract just to stay. Both aren't ideal IMO.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

I think Buffalo could be a good team to target acquiring a RD.

Yes most of the talk has been around Risto, but they also have Miller, Montour (RFA) and Huju.

Huju likely is not going anywhere.

Risto has the name and draft pedigree but large cap hit and defensive liability.

Montour could be had but would have to give up decent assets in picks and/or prospects especially after only recently acquiring him.

Personally I think Miller could be a good option. Signed for a few more years at under $4M and only 27.

Played well for Vegas and if he were to just keep it simple, could be a decent add at not much cost.

If Tanev cannot be resigned, Miller should be someone to look at if Buffalo can take some cap back the other way to make it work.

 

[Blue and Green]

I think Buffalo could be a good team to target acquiring a RD.

Yes most of the talk has been around Risto, but they also have Miller, Montour (RFA) and Huju.

Huju likely is not going anywhere.

Risto has the name and draft pedigree but large cap hit and defensive liability.

Montour could be had but would have to give up decent assets in picks and/or prospects especially after only recently acquiring him.

Personally I think Miller could be a good option. Signed for a few more years at under $4M and only 27.

Played well for Vegas and if he were to just keep it simple, could be a decent add at not much cost.

If Tanev cannot be resigned, Miller should be someone to look at if Buffalo can take some cap back the other way to make it work.

Colin Miller is not the defenceman that the Canucks need. Offence > defence and even his offensive production wasn't good in Buffalo last season. Played well below his cap hit. Canucks need good defensive defencemen; there's enough offensive ability within the current group and the prospect pipeline.

 

[Hoghandler]

Buffalo isn’t a great fit, trade wise. The Canucks need a steady partner for Rathbone.

Colin Miller is erratic and unreliable.

Apparently the impetus behind the Ducks trading Brandon Montour was that Anaheim’s left side dmen hated playing with him. Fowler and Lindholm both thought he wasn’t a good defense partner.

Josh Manson could be on the block. He’s the type of guy the Canucks could use. Unfortunately, his cap hit would make it tough to bring him in, unless one of Vancouver’s top free agents walks.

Maybe a Scott Mayfield for Virtanen type deal.

 

[BB06]

I’d try to pry Devin Towes from the Islanders. Bc boy with elite underlying numbers

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I’d try to pry Devin Towes from the Islanders. Bc boy with elite underlying numbers

Whoa, market value at $9.8m!? He's another LD though, and we are somewhat stacked on that side (assuming you want to give Rathbone and Joulevi an opportunity eventually, if not then he'll be a good add). I'm guessing the cost of acquiring him is going to be very high though.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Buffalo isn’t a great fit, trade wise. The Canucks need a steady partner for Rathbone.

Colin Miller is erratic and unreliable.

Apparently the impetus behind the Ducks trading Brandon Montour was that Anaheim’s left side dmen hated playing with him. Fowler and Lindholm both thought he wasn’t a good defense partner.

Josh Manson could be on the block. He’s the type of guy the Canucks could use. Unfortunately, his cap hit would make it tough to bring him in, unless one of Vancouver’s top free agents walks.

Maybe a Scott Mayfield for Virtanen type deal.

Cap hit has nothing to do with bringing Manson in.

Issue is the cost as it would require a 1st +.

Canucks are in a shit spot and need to get people in for cheap.

Tanev could come back but I think the reality is that is unlikely to happen given a preference to resign Markstrom and/or Toffoli in that order.

That leaves Vancouver very thin on the right.

 

[BB06]

Whoa, market value at $9.8m!? He's another LD though, and we are somewhat stacked on that side (assuming you want to give Rathbone and Joulevi an opportunity eventually, if not then he'll be a good add). I'm guessing the cost of acquiring him is going to be very high though.

Really Depends I don't think he's as valued as his Advance stats say by the Islanders and they'll be facing a cap crunch of their own. I'd think maybe a Virtanen for Towes swap would be good. Although he's a LD and that's not one of our biggest needs.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Virtanen for toews would be a world class f***ing steal.