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Shit I feel like we’re even the ones who started it in 2013-14 with AV. Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello, and then Grabner-Hayes-Miller the next year.
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Your 3rd line as a secondary scoring line is ideal, but it requires at least one of your top-2 lines to be able to act as a matchup line. This is of course ideal since your matchup line is going to get a lot of minutes and you'd rather give those minutes to one of your best lines. Fortunately, we have KZB for that which was one of the best matchup lines in the league last year.
In 13-14 our top 6 was:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Richards-Callahan
So using the 3rd as a scoring line was pretty obvious. People also seem to forget about 10-11 when we used Wolski-Stepan-Zuccarello as our 3rd line and they had even better results than Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello believe it or not.
Incredibly sheltered, but the results were out of this world:
Rongomania
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I loved those guys, but hot damn, almost none of them would make this current teams top six.
Beautiful.
doomscroll
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The 13-14 iterations of Stepan/Nash/Callahan would likely take the spots of Strome/Kakko/Buch in the current top-six. Kreider is obviously still there.
I'd take Current Buch over any edition of Callahan.
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That’s fair. Callahan added a huge energy/physical dimension that Buch, for all of his positive qualities, doesn’t match. That gives Callahan a slight edge in my mind, although PB is still trending up.
Rongomania
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Step/Nash definitely on vet status alone, but didn't step never come close to last season Strome pace?
Cally, mehhhh
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Stepan brought just about everything Strome does and had solid defense along with it. No contest.
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If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.
Step had basically prime nasher and still couldn't hit freaking 55 points or whatever.
sooo happy we got Tony for him.
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Prime Stepan would not have been able to keep up in today's NHL with how poor his skating was
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Step had 44 in 48 in 2012-13 playing with Hags and Nash.
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That’s not fair to say right now. Callahan had better years and never played with someone on par with Zibby. He also brought a physical element and killed penalties. Buch story isn’t written yet, so it could change but as we stand here today I don’t even think you could make a rationale argument for Buch.
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Stepan played in the 70s? It def limited his ultimate potential but that’s unfair.
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There’s some major recentcy bias here. Are we really saying that no one on the cup appearance team could play in this top 6? Stepan was clearly better than Strome and I’m not a Strome hater. Kakko for all his potential hasn’t done anything yet in the NHL compared to a guy like Nash or Zucc.
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Rongomania
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Yes, Yes I know. That whole season is very upsetting. Clearly an outlier for Step tho, no?
and I did love this f*cking guy
Amazing derailment of thread btw guys, never thought I'd get into this bullshit today
Callahan had more productive years (marginally, mind you), I dont think I'd call them better. Infact, I know that I wouldn't.
He got force fed ice time in the Torts years too. Think that kind of makes up for the difference in quality of linemates (Cally's most productive seasons came with Richards and Stamkos as his centers, they aren't exactly chumps.)
Have you seen the metrics for Kreider and Zibanejad without Buchnevich? They are not good.
Yeah, and I mean it’s only natural. You cannot shut down a unit by playing good defense. The days of like a Joel Otto working as a shut down guy is long gone. You can only do it by taking the play to them.
Some really aggressive hard skating units can do well without a ton of talent, but more often than not you need your top guys to also be your shut down guys. A talented but somewhat flawed 3rd can do really well.
BTW great find on the performance of that line.
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Callahan was popular because he never took a shift off. He always skated around like an Energizer bunny. Fans love that. I wouldn't consider him an overall better player than Buchnevich but it's not as if Buchnevich is a far superior player either. They're both solid top-6 wingers in their prime without being relied on to carry their team
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I’m not sure how often he played with Stamkos. NYR version of Richards was nowhere near prime Zibanejad. Metrics? I just can’t say that K-Z-B line goes based on Buch.
Callahan was force fed ice time? Buch plays on the top line next to a top center in the league. Buchnevich also doesn’t bring physical play nor kills penalties. Being as Callahan was named captain, I assume he brought some leadership to the table as wells.
I would absolutely without a doubt say Callahan had better years then Buch. I really can’t understand how someone would say different. Now, for all I know, Buchnevich could continue to improve and have the better career when all is said and done.
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Small typo in the last paragraph. Other than that great article. Thank you!
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