2020-2021 St. Louis Blues: Well, ****.

[Blueline2757]

None of us know what really happened, but the evidence seems to suggest that Armstrong did the Faulk signing to tell Petro he wasn't getting his signing bonus and NMC.

If that's true, very bad move by Armstrong. Cut off your nose to spite your face, as they say. There is no other way to view the Faulk contract - it's terrible.

Let's hope he proves that wrong and has a great year.

I'm convinced that the above is true and yes it is a very horrible move which should be an automatic firing. I said it in another thread, It is one of the biggest blunders in Blues history.

 

[MissouriMook]

If only Armstrong could jump into a time machine and turn back the clock to avoid signing Faulk to such a ridiculous deal. An example of Army just being too smart for his own good and overthinking it by pushing Petro off the team.

Yes Faulk will improve now that there's stability, But the point is he'll have to play out of his f***ing mind to justify the contract (dollars + term) he received. Sadly I just don't see that happening.

And what will Krug have to do? Since, you know, he has the exact same AAV and term.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

And what will Krug have to do? Since, you know, he has the exact same AAV and term.

Difference is Krug is a much better player than Faulk, and it won't be hard for Krug to play to his contract for most of his time here.

 

[MissouriMook]

Difference is Krug is a much better player than Faulk, and it won't be hard for Krug to play to his contract for most of his time here.

I was simply illustrating the fact that the standard for Krug will not be the same as the standard for Faulk. Faulk will have to play like Pietrangelo (or better, since every flaw and gaffe will be magnified) to be deemed to be "earning his contract" and Krug will simply have to play like Krug to be deemed to have earned the exact same AAV and term due to the overwhelming bias against Faulk.

You and anyone else can deny it all you want but such bias exists throughout this community and it is really toxic to our board because of how much it permeates honest discussions. The Faulk hate is reaching Brewer levels and it is unhealthy for those who hold that view, unhealthy for those who have to mow through that toxicity to access fair and honest discussion, and it is toxic for the health of our free and open discussion of all things Blues.

 

[Blueline2757]

And what will Krug have to do? Since, you know, he has the exact same AAV and term.

Krug is a little bit better player than Faulk is. Even though I have my criticisms of Krug I still see him living up to his contract most of the time.

 

[Blueline2757]

JR had a Q&A today, I took a screenshot of one of his answers to a question. It's what he said at the end is what we all agree with.

 

[Prosaic]

I was simply illustrating the fact that the standard for Krug will not be the same as the standard for Faulk. Faulk will have to play like Pietrangelo (or better, since every flaw and gaffe will be magnified) to be deemed to be "earning his contract" and Krug will simply have to play like Krug to be deemed to have earned the exact same AAV and term due to the overwhelming bias against Faulk.

You and anyone else can deny it all you want but such bias exists throughout this community and it is really toxic to our board because of how much it permeates honest discussions. The Faulk hate is reaching Brewer levels and it is unhealthy for those who hold that view, unhealthy for those who have to mow through that toxicity to access fair and honest discussion, and it is toxic for the health of our free and open discussion of all things Blues.

Well...Faulks track record is pretty piss poor.

His underlying numbers have been regressing for a while. He’s 28, so why would he rebound to what he did when he was 23?

He’s a supposed offensively inclined defenseman that’s really nothing more than a PP specialist. Even then, he hasn’t hit the 40 point mark since 2015. He puts up like 30ish points but doesn’t drive 5on5 play or defend well.

His 5on5 game offers negative value. And last year, his PP play was so poor, he didn’t last on the PP through January.

I’ve heard people suggest he’ll hit the 40 point mark. How? He’s not playing on the PP over Krug. His 5on5 game is below replacement. So how will he do something he hasn’t done in 5 years?

Do people think it’s a coincidence that Carolina finally made the playoffs when they had Hamilton, Slavin and Pesce to play above Faulk? In 18-19, Faulk was legitimately their worst defenseman statistically.

No one should expect him to be Pietrangelo, he’s not. But let’s not like act like he’s that good, or has really ever been that good. Suggesting he’ll be better than last year? He might put up more points but will his underlying numbers be any better? Will playing a ‘defined role’ fix his atrocious decision making, make him suddenly a faster skater that doesn’t take a hook/tripping penalty a game? Who’s he playing with? Is playing on the left-side with Pietrangelo or Parayko really worse than playing Krug, who can’t defend, or Scandella, who can’t handle the puck?

I hope he’s better. But why would he be? I haven’t seen one legitimate reason to suggest that. He had a defined role in CAR, played the right side and still wasn’t that good.

This is why assessing a player purely off points isn’t an accurate assessment. 30 points isn’t a bad player per say. But this is 30-35 points for a player that was spoon fed offensive opportunities and PP ice time.

It’s one of the worst contracts in the league and was from the moment it was signed. Even if Pietrangelo was never coming back, this transaction was awful.

 

[Blueline2757]

Well...Faulks track record is pretty piss poor.

His underlying numbers have been regressing for a while. He’s 28, so why would he rebound to what he did when he was 23?

He’s a supposed offensively inclined defenseman that’s really nothing more than a PP specialist. Even then, he hasn’t hit the 40 point mark since 2015. He puts up like 30ish points but doesn’t drive 5on5 play or defend well.

His 5on5 game offers negative value. And last year, his PP play was so poor, he didn’t last on the PP through January.

I’ve heard people suggest he’ll hit the 40 point mark. How? He’s not playing on the PP over Krug. His 5on5 game is below replacement. So how will he do something he hasn’t done in 5 years?

Do people think it’s a coincidence that Carolina finally made the playoffs when they had Hamilton, Slavin and Pesce to play above Faulk? In 18-19, Faulk was legitimately their worst defenseman statistically.

No one should expect him to be Pietrangelo, he’s not. But let’s not like act like he’s that good, or has really ever been that good. Suggesting he’ll be better than last year? He might put up more points but will his underlying numbers be any better? Will playing a ‘defined role’ fix his atrocious decision making, make him suddenly a faster skater that doesn’t take a hook/tripping penalty a game? Who’s he playing with? Is playing on the left-side with Pietrangelo or Parayko really worse than playing Krug, who can’t defend, or Scandella, who can’t handle the puck?

I hope he’s better. But why would he be? I haven’t seen one legitimate reason to suggest that. He had a defined role in CAR, played the right side and still wasn’t that good.

This is why assessing a player purely off points isn’t an accurate assessment. 30 points isn’t a bad player per say. But this is 30-35 points for a player that was spoon fed offensive opportunities and PP ice time.

It’s one of the worst contracts in the league and was from the moment it was signed. Even if Pietrangelo was never coming back, this transaction was awful.

Good post. I didn't mind the Faulk trade but it was still a very unnecessary move, Regardless whether Petro was coming back or not. People are hoping Faulk will rebound......PFFT Yeah right. Even if he does he'll have to play out of his mind to justify that contract. Which isn't happening.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

JR had a Q&A today, I took a screenshot of one of his answers to a question. It's what he said at the end is what we all agree with. View attachment 375595

Please. JR has so little insight. Not capable of serious analysis. We have posters on this board (not all obviously) who would be better at hosting one of these chats.

 

[MissouriMook]

...His 5on5 game offers negative value...

His xG 5v5 has been positive five of the last six years (including his one season with the Blues) and was positive by nearly a half a goal per 60 in last season’s playoffs. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good narrative. And by good I mean false.

 

[Ranksu]

Please. JR has so little insight. Not capable of serious analysis. We have posters on this board (not all obviously) who would be better at hosting one of these chats.

Name few.

I like current JR. He gives his thoughts of things and re-evaluate it. He isn't hold up like he was before athletic time under Hitch.

 

[Ranksu]

Well...Faulks track record is pretty piss poor.

His underlying numbers have been regressing for a while. He’s 28, so why would he rebound to what he did when he was 23?

He’s a supposed offensively inclined defenseman that’s really nothing more than a PP specialist. Even then, he hasn’t hit the 40 point mark since 2015. He puts up like 30ish points but doesn’t drive 5on5 play or defend well.

His 5on5 game offers negative value. And last year, his PP play was so poor, he didn’t last on the PP through January.

I’ve heard people suggest he’ll hit the 40 point mark. How? He’s not playing on the PP over Krug. His 5on5 game is below replacement. So how will he do something he hasn’t done in 5 years?

Do people think it’s a coincidence that Carolina finally made the playoffs when they had Hamilton, Slavin and Pesce to play above Faulk? In 18-19, Faulk was legitimately their worst defenseman statistically.

No one should expect him to be Pietrangelo, he’s not. But let’s not like act like he’s that good, or has really ever been that good. Suggesting he’ll be better than last year? He might put up more points but will his underlying numbers be any better? Will playing a ‘defined role’ fix his atrocious decision making, make him suddenly a faster skater that doesn’t take a hook/tripping penalty a game? Who’s he playing with? Is playing on the left-side with Pietrangelo or Parayko really worse than playing Krug, who can’t defend, or Scandella, who can’t handle the puck?

I hope he’s better. But why would he be? I haven’t seen one legitimate reason to suggest that. He had a defined role in CAR, played the right side and still wasn’t that good.

This is why assessing a player purely off points isn’t an accurate assessment. 30 points isn’t a bad player per say. But this is 30-35 points for a player that was spoon fed offensive opportunities and PP ice time.

It’s one of the worst contracts in the league and was from the moment it was signed. Even if Pietrangelo was never coming back, this transaction was awful.

Really good post.

Faulk career points breath in 1st PP minutes. I have it here where I did compare Faulk pp icetime vs point produce. He hard time for produce 5on5. Praising his all-star status in misleading noteing it was also 3 years ago.

You could realistically squeeze out of him 20-30 point max. Just play him 1st PP, sheltered icetime behind Parayko and Bortuzzo. Give him all o-zone starts. Pump him every doing what we have. Maybe he could live up and earn half of his current salary.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

I was simply illustrating the fact that the standard for Krug will not be the same as the standard for Faulk. Faulk will have to play like Pietrangelo (or better, since every flaw and gaffe will be magnified) to be deemed to be "earning his contract" and Krug will simply have to play like Krug to be deemed to have earned the exact same AAV and term due to the overwhelming bias against Faulk.

You and anyone else can deny it all you want but such bias exists throughout this community and it is really toxic to our board because of how much it permeates honest discussions. The Faulk hate is reaching Brewer levels and it is unhealthy for those who hold that view, unhealthy for those who have to mow through that toxicity to access fair and honest discussion, and it is toxic for the health of our free and open discussion of all things Blues.

I was just saying Faulk isn't going to be able to put up the points or be the defender to warrant his 6.5 mil cap hit, but, Krug will be able to put up the points to warrant his. I've been a defender of Faulk, and think last year was a bad year while transitioning from Car to STL hockey, but, at the same time, I have no hope for him to randomly become some amazing 2 way player to make me feel he deserves 6.5 mil for 7 years.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

Name few.

I like current JR. He gives his thoughts of things and re-evaluate it. He isn't hold up like he was before athletic time under Hitch.

Not you!

 

[Ranksu]

Not you!

So you cant name nobody. Not surprise.

 

[Ranksu]

I was just saying Faulk isn't going to be able to put up the points or be the defender to warrant his 6.5 mil cap hit, but, Krug will be able to put up the points to warrant his. I've been a defender of Faulk, and think last year was a bad year while transitioning from Car to STL hockey, but, at the same time, I have no hope for him to randomly become some amazing 2 way player to make me feel he deserves 6.5 mil for 7 years.

Well should we first see Krug play before giving him money, oh wait Army did that already. Well, should we secondly look how Krug perform without Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak before we announce he'll perform his contract level?

We don't know anything can Krug mesh in Blues system. We're quite opposite compare to Boston how they play, transition game game speed etc. And Krug was another sheltered dmen on Boston + 1st PP guy. Last part will be complete in Blues, but him getting sheltered icetime is question mark? We're left out guys who can defend, take biggest load of toughest icetime and eat all d-zone starts.

We cant shelter both of Krug and Faulk and not even talk about Dunn.

Idk, NHL best d-core to 'meh'.

 

[simon IC]

Justin Faulk is clearly part of the new core. Armstrong and the coaching staff seem to have full confidence in him. He will likely be protected during the expansion draft. Whether we like it or not, it is what it is and all the bitching in the world is not going to change anything. I guess we just have to get over it.

 

[Bye Bye Blueston]

So you cant name nobody. Not surprise.

I'm not gonna list a bunch of names because I don't want to inadvertently miss someone I respect. But I think most folks on here know who knowledgeable posters are- Easton, Yappi, Mook, among others. But we have some clowns here too, obviously.

 

[Ranksu]

I'm not gonna list a bunch of names because I don't want to inadvertently miss someone I respect. But I think most folks on here know who knowledgeable posters are- Easton, Yappi, Mook, among others. But we have some clowns here too, obviously.

I agree EB22 and Mook.

Well isn't normal selection that in group there is always one who will try to humour ppl and take clown role?

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I'm not gonna list a bunch of names because I don't want to inadvertently miss someone I respect. But I think most folks on here know who knowledgeable posters are- Easton, Yappi, Mook, among others. But we have some clowns here too, obviously.

If I'm not in that clown group, I'm going to lose respect for you.

 

[Blueline2757]

I'm not gonna list a bunch of names because I don't want to inadvertently miss someone I respect. But I think most folks on here know who knowledgeable posters are- Easton, Yappi, Mook, among others. But we have some clowns here too, obviously.

I agree, I like Easton and Mook, They are good posters.

And I already know I'm in the clown group.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Well should we first see Krug play before giving him money, oh wait Army did that already. Well, should we secondly look how Krug perform without Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak before we announce he'll perform his contract level?

We don't know anything can Krug mesh in Blues system. We're quite opposite compare to Boston how they play, transition game game speed etc. And Krug was another sheltered dmen on Boston + 1st PP guy. Last part will be complete in Blues, but him getting sheltered icetime is question mark? We're left out guys who can defend, take biggest load of toughest icetime and eat all d-zone starts.

We cant shelter both of Krug and Faulk and not even talk about Dunn.

Idk, NHL best d-core to 'meh'.

Dude, really? He was a FREE AGENT, you could say the same damn thing about Vegas giving Pietrangelo his contact.

 

[simon IC]

It might be better if we kept this thread about the Blues and not each other.

 

[Ranksu]

Dude, really? He was a FREE AGENT, you could say the same damn thing about Vegas giving Pietrangelo his contact.

Acquiring top 5 dmen vs acquiring offensive dmen who was good behind NHL best line.

Which one is more risky?

 

[BlueSeal]

So let me get this straight, Army’s answer for not giving Pie what he wanted... is Faulk?

I need aspirin.