He may have been talking production vs style, at least I hope so. Either way Forms projects as a potential top 6 with the this team is being built. Rolling out Tkachuk then Formenton on the top 2 lines will make the opposing RD have a miserable night and the thought of that in a 7 game series makes me smile ear to ear.
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DJs dream top 6 IMO
BT Byfield Quinn
Forms Norris Batherson
Tough to play against
BT Byfield Quinn
Forms Norris Batherson
Tough to play against
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I hope Forms can keep developing to be a legit top 6 scoring threat but Connor is a stretch that way as well imo. I think Forms will be a plus in other ways though.
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Kyle Connor was on his way to a 44 goal season at age 23.
I'm a huge Formenton fan and have been since he was drafted but if he ever scores 40 goals in the NHL I'll gladly eat my hat.
I'm a huge Formenton fan and have been since he was drafted but if he ever scores 40 goals in the NHL I'll gladly eat my hat.
Formenton seems to like playing physical which I like. We will need more players with size who all play a physical game and therefor create a team with multiple lines and BIG D who are tough to play against, physically punishing. I hope L. Brown, Batherson, Norris and others start to play a more physical intimidating style of play.
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hmmmm, both fast left wingers... yeah they are world's apart...like not even the same species.
BondraTime
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Great analysis.
Ovechkin is a fast left winger too, Formenton is similar to Ovechkin.
They play nothing alike, and their skill sets are not remotely similar. Formenton is going to be a very good player for us, but it’s not going to be anything like Connor
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Comparing Formenton to Charles Barkley would be (in your words) a strange, strange comparison.
Comparing two fast left wing hockey players is not a strange strange comparison. One might have a better shot than the other, one might make plays better than the other but they are both trying to do the same thing.
Explain to me what's so different between Formenton and Connor. Is it that Connor carries the puck more? Is it that Formenton hits more? Please explain .. I seriously don't know what makes them so vastly different.
We haven't even seen what Formenton can do in the NHL. No one thought Formenton would have such a good rookie year in the AHL but he did. Why is it so crazy to compare him to a rising star left winger? Some people might think Formenton is also tracking in that direction.
Comparing two fast left wing hockey players is not a strange strange comparison. One might have a better shot than the other, one might make plays better than the other but they are both trying to do the same thing.
Explain to me what's so different between Formenton and Connor. Is it that Connor carries the puck more? Is it that Formenton hits more? Please explain .. I seriously don't know what makes them so vastly different.
We haven't even seen what Formenton can do in the NHL. No one thought Formenton would have such a good rookie year in the AHL but he did. Why is it so crazy to compare him to a rising star left winger? Some people might think Formenton is also tracking in that direction.
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Kyle Connor has been a prolific scoring, skilled winger at every level since he was 15. He’s scored more goals in the NHL in each of the last 3 seasons than Formenton ever has going all the way back to bantam.
Formenton is a big bodied, fast skater who isn’t known for his offence, and likely will never be a prolific scorer in the NHL. Kyle Connor was a point per game, 40 goal guy this season. Neither is ever remotely likely for Formenton at any point in the NHL.
What’s different about Connor
-Already a 3 time 30 gaol scorer in NHL. Formenton has never hit 30 in any league (pro rated he would have)
- Point per game player in NHL at 22.
- Better shot.
- Weapon on the PP as the QB
- Better offensive instincts
- Better goal scoring
- Better vision
- Better offensive pedigree as a prospect
- Worse skating (Connor was never known for his skating, Formenton is one of the best skating prospects in the league)
- Different play style
There is really not much in common in either guy, which is why it’s a strange, strange comparison.
Formenton is going to be a great, great player for us, but it’s not because he’s going to be a prolific 30 goal, point per game guy like Connor is. He’s a different type of player who will be playing in different situations.
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Formenton just had a 53 pt rookie season at 20 yrs old & let's not forget he was one of the youngest guys in the draft in his draft yr like Byfield is in this draft. I think Formenton is going to be a lot better than most people on here believe, just as I think Pinto is going to be a lot better forward than most believe. They are both different players than each other, but both have decent size, play with some grit & have the ability to make stuff happen, to make a difference with a hit, a steal, a great defensive play, an assist or a goal. They are both more complete players that play a 200' game & they both have the ability to separate players from the puck. What will Formenton & Pinto be like when they are 200 -210 lbs?
Formenton's speed alone will back up defenders constantly preventing them from pinching in too far. Pinto's determination & desire in front of the net is going to win him a lot of puck battles & both should be able to handle themselves in the NHL once they put on a little more muscle. Ottawa's forwards are going to be physically dominating small soft defencemen & with the skill that comes with their size they should be a very formidable team especially if they are lucky enough to add Byfield. Byfield, Quinn & Sanderson in the first rd would be awesome & really advance this rebuild significantly.
Formenton's speed alone will back up defenders constantly preventing them from pinching in too far. Pinto's determination & desire in front of the net is going to win him a lot of puck battles & both should be able to handle themselves in the NHL once they put on a little more muscle. Ottawa's forwards are going to be physically dominating small soft defencemen & with the skill that comes with their size they should be a very formidable team especially if they are lucky enough to add Byfield. Byfield, Quinn & Sanderson in the first rd would be awesome & really advance this rebuild significantly.
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OK fine...Connor is clearly on a different level right now.
But your argument is based on Connor having much better success at a much earlier age. My counter to that would be Formenton is blooming late. We all saw him emerge in the AHL as a point producing star left winger. I would argue there's no telling what he will accomplish at the next level.
For Simpson to say "think Connor" ... it's maybe a little optimistic but after the season Formenton just had, would you say he is tracking towards Connor or tracking towards Blake Coleman?
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Connor's D+1 (Freshman year) ; NCAA University of Michigan stats were a very good indicator; last 3 columns are GWG. PPG, SHG. He was 1 and done and then put up 44 pts in 52 games in the AHL in his D+2. His D+3 31 goals in the NHL.
| 1 | Kyle Connor, Fr, F, MIC | 38 | 35 | 36 | 71 | 1.8684 | 7 | 10 | 1 |
| 2 | JT Compher, Jr, F, MIC | 38 | 16 | 47 | 63 | 1.6579 | 1 | 5 | 1 |
| 3 | Brock Boeser, Fr, F, NDK | 42 | 27 | 33 | 60 | 1.4286 | 5 | 5 | 1 |
| 4 | Tyler Motte, Jr, F, MIC | 38 | 32 | 24 | 56 | 1.4737 | 4 | 7 | 2 |
| 5 | Zac Lynch, Sr, F, RMU | 39 | 25 | 30 | 55 | 1.4103 | 4 | 5 | 8 |
| 6 | Kalle Kossila, Sr, F, STC | 41 | 14 | 40 | 54 | 1.3171 | 2 | 1 | 1 |
| 7 | Andrew Poturalski, So, F, UNH | 37 | 22 | 30 | 52 | 1.4054 | 1 | 8 | 0 |
| 8 | Greg Gibson, Sr, F, RMU | 39 | 29 | 22 | 51 | 1.3077 | 5 | 8 | 2 |
| 8 | Drake Caggiula, Sr, F, NDK | 39 | 25 | 26 | 51 | 1.3077 | 7 | 3 | 2 |
| 10 | Sam Anas, Jr, F, QUI | 43 | 24 | 26 | 50 | 1.1628 |
Not the same type of player as Formenton.. who I think will be really valuable.
Connor's hands and offensive instincts are on another level.. its really not doing Formenton justice in the way he plays to compare him or measure him up to Connor. Connor is an offensive dynamo, 1st unit PP guy that can setup plays and finish.
Formenton is a fast hard driving winger with some sandpaper to his game .. that contributes offensively. In the AHL and the OHL he got a lot of break aways with his speed. He is good on the PK and when protecting a lead. He should be in the NHL next year and I like the prospect of a one two punch with Tkachuk on the left side.. Formenton may be a year away from that if he keeps developing.
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Connor was drafted as a prolific scorer, and then he put up one of the best seasons in the NCAA for a rookie. He led the USHL in scoring his draft year, and was 2nd in the league the year prior. Then he led the NCAA in scoring after getting drafted. He was absolutely expected to be a big time scorer in the NHL.
My argument isn’t based on his success, though that’s obviously another reason it’s a strange comparison. It’s based on them being completely different players and having completely different skill sets.
I’d think he’s tracking closer to Coleman than Connor, there are a lot of levels to land on between those two, and he should be better than Coleman.
A 40 point, 2 way winger who wears the other team down with his forechecking. A jack knife player who can play up and down the lineup, who likely ends up a middle 6 guy, who you can throw out on PK1 and PP2. A very valuable player, has value like Pageau does outside of scoring, which Connor does not have to the same extent.
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60ish point guy at the draft after finishing 2nd and 1st in scoring back to back in the USHL, and ppg potential guy after putting up 73 points in 38 games as a freshman and looking good at the World Championships at 19 years old seems pretty reasonable.
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If the guys we draft at 3 and 5 can have a season close to what Connor did after being drafted, we hit it out of the park. They should both be projected a bit better pre-draft
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Chris Kreider seems like a much better comparison than Connor, no? Kyle is kinda forgotten for a player of his caliber but he's close to elite.
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I was hoping for Connor/Barzal/Konecny to fall to the Sens pick in 2015 smh.
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I see him more like Kris Kreider, about the same size, both are pretty fast skaters, both play with an edge & hopefully the only question is if Formenton can produce a similar amount of pts. And unlike so many AHL players he can translate his skills to the NHL with his size, speed & skill & being so young (20 yrs old) he will only get better & is still a few yrs away from his prime.
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I see Formenton a little bit like Milan Michalek with some Kreider sprinkled in.
I think Formenton will be 205-215 lbs when he's done growing and filling in (he was getting taller as late as last year apparently). Like Michalek he has blazing speed and plays mostly a straight line game, driving the net hard. They both have underrated hands, although Michalek's were clearly better. And both are very good defensively / on the PK. Michalek was a bit more skilled but Formenton engages physically a bit more, similar to Kreider.
If Formenton ends up playing with a top notch playmaker I could see him pushing 30 goals once or twice in his career. More likely he'll be a 20-20 guy, which is great. He'll never be the offensive driver on one of the top 2 lines like Kyle Connor is and will be, but he will be a very valuable player for us.
I think Formenton will be 205-215 lbs when he's done growing and filling in (he was getting taller as late as last year apparently). Like Michalek he has blazing speed and plays mostly a straight line game, driving the net hard. They both have underrated hands, although Michalek's were clearly better. And both are very good defensively / on the PK. Michalek was a bit more skilled but Formenton engages physically a bit more, similar to Kreider.
If Formenton ends up playing with a top notch playmaker I could see him pushing 30 goals once or twice in his career. More likely he'll be a 20-20 guy, which is great. He'll never be the offensive driver on one of the top 2 lines like Kyle Connor is and will be, but he will be a very valuable player for us.
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